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I hope you're right and they end up in the gutter, what can I say.

They may not go back to winning titles in the near future but I just don't see them scrapping around 5th - 7th for years on end. They're too big and make too much money.
 
I suppose what I'm suggesting is that a pattern of relative struggle would be set.

They'll always be liable to spend big and have a real go, but if they're working in the shadow of 4 better run clubs with fairly stable squads and significant budgets then there's only so much that a similar budget can achieve.

IMO their urgent task is to prevent that pattern being set, and I reckon they've got 2 years, or 3 at best, to do it in.
 
I can understand the note of caution because the mood in here does look like people setting themselves up for a fall.

Utd are in a fair mess right now but what would really concern me if I were a fan would be the age of their best players, and what that might mean for them if they don't get back in the CL in the next two years. How many good players have they got of 25 and under?

Ander Herrera
Phil Jones
Luke Shaw
Adnan Januzaz
David De Gea
Marcos Rojo


Evans
Wellbeck
Jones

They're good players in my view.
 
I don't give a fuck. They have become us from the recent past. Wannabes making silly over priced signings without addressing the issues.

They're irrelevant to us at the moment.
 
Evans
Wellbeck
Jones

They're good players in my view.

But they're not showing it and haven't consistently shown it and frankly there's no fear factor like it was when it was Ferdinand and Vidic or Bruce and Pallister. These guys are painfully short of form and confidence and can be got at. The longer their form remains bad, the longer the downward spiral continues. Confidence, the lack of it or the having it, is a much underrated factor for me.
 
I'm fucking sick of reading about manchester u fucking nited on my Liverpool FC forum.!

I couldn't care less about the cunts and their fans, whether they are cunts or decent or chastened, and their so called missing and injured players that every fucking club have, and their wonderful wooden headed manager, the tactical genius that has collected the sum total of one fucking point from games against Swansea and Sunderland, and their shite players, and their possible new signings who all seem to be left backs who can fit in wherever the fuck you want them to, and how they will fit in, or not fit in with their previously unheard of 3 5 2 system, and fucking woodward, and the fact they have so much money they can pay whatever the fuck they like for a player and still pay him a gazillion english pounds a week after tax, and their ugly bastard centre back jones, and their shirt sales in the far fucking east, and their horrible fucking shirts with the chevrolet logo, and their diving bird shit eating cheat young, and their smarmy fans walking up the street at 1pm of a Sunday with manchester u fucking nited on the back of their black jackets on their way to the pub for a 4pm kickoff, and their new white hope janujez, who will be fucked off when they pay 65 million for some cunt that cant get his place at Real Madrid, and their sponsorship deals that go up or down depending on how they perform, and di maria and vidal and daley fucking blind and blah di fucking blah, and predictive text that wants me to give manchester united and all belonging to it a capital letter but I wont fucking let it!

And bobby fucking charlton, ferguson, giggs, crerard you cunt, and every fucking neville that ever existed!
 
I think having a thread for each one of these fuckers is a good idea.
Their 'best' player are much overrated, and have been misfiring for some time. That manc comes on here claiming some of their shite is criminally underrated, e.g jones, smalling, cleverly, fletcher, young etc.
None of their starting 11 would make the city or chelski starting 11.
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Strange how Chelsea tried to get Rooney so. Also I think RVP would make either team too.

It is great to see them looking utterly shit though
 
Van Gaal tries to motivate Kagawa:

“Kagawa did not wish to fulfil my wishes, my philosophy when I played him in the United States [on pre-season tour],” he said.

... in response to a question about leaving Kagawa out of the first XI.
 
I think having a thread for each one of these fuckers is a good idea.
Their 'best' player are much overrated, and have been misfiring for some time. That manc comes on here claiming some of their shite is criminally underrated, e.g jones, smalling, cleverly, fletcher, young etc.
None of their starting 11 would make the city or chelski starting 11.

If I am being brutally honest ..... only the not yet signed Di Maria & De Gea would walk into our side and maybe Mata would have a shout too. Otherwise I wouldn't take any of their defenders over ours (Rafael because I don't like him and he's a sick note), their midfield is a joke, Herrera being totally unproven and looking from his debut, a little light, and RvP/Rooney & Mata, this much vaunted attack, looked total dross again yesterday. United are very lacking in creative ability .. something that we seem to be dripping at the moment, even without Suarez.
 
I'm fucking sick of reading about manchester u fucking nited on my Liverpool FC forum.!

I couldn't care less about the cunts and their fans, whether they are cunts or decent or chastened, and their so called missing and injured players that every fucking club have, and their wonderful wooden headed manager, the tactical genius that has collected the sum total of one fucking point from games against Swansea and Sunderland, and their shite players, and their possible new signings who all seem to be left backs who can fit in wherever the fuck you want them to, and how they will fit in, or not fit in with their previously unheard of 3 5 2 system, and fucking woodward, and the fact they have so much money they can pay whatever the fuck they like for a player and still pay him a gazillion english pounds a week after tax, and their ugly bastard centre back jones, and their shirt sales in the far fucking east, and their horrible fucking shirts with the chevrolet logo, and their diving bird shit eating cheat young, and their smarmy fans walking up the street at 1pm of a Sunday with manchester u fucking nited on the back of their black jackets on their way to the pub for a 4pm kickoff, and their new white hope janujez, who will be fucked off when they pay 65 million for some cunt that cant get his place at Real Madrid, and their sponsorship deals that go up or down depending on how they perform, and di maria and vidal and daley fucking blind and blah di fucking blah, and predictive text that wants me to give manchester united and all belonging to it a capital letter but I wont fucking let it!

And bobby fucking charlton, ferguson, giggs, crerard you cunt, and every fucking neville that ever existed!
Ha ha that is quality, although you seem to do know an awful lot about Utd considering your hatred! 😉
 
Now that Moyes isn't there to ruin them anymore I can go back to wanting them get beaten every single week.

It's great.
 
That's 13 players. More than double what they have. Many of those are among our best players already. Clearly, we're stronger than they are and the gap will widen over the next 5 years. If in addition to that we get a £100m or so boost to our spending with 2 CL qualifications over them, then we'll have enough to maintain that gap regardless of the stupid money they throw at players who'd really rather be in the CL.

IMO if they don't effect a major turnaround within two years, the pattern will be set for the next decade. And what applies to the trend between us and Utd applies just as much to those between them and City, Chelsea, and Arsenal.

How's that for hubris?


We are in a mess no question about it but I don't think it is close to terminal and some on here think.

CL is worth about £40m per season, about £30m to £35m more than Europa.

Without CL the Chevrolet deal and the Nike are worth an additional £50m per season to us. So even without CL football and with FFP we will still have more to spend than the other top 4 teams.

Long term of course you are right commercial deals won't be nearly as lucrative as we have now but it will take significantly longer than 2 or 3 years for that to happen. However, attracting players without CL with a 2 or 3 absence could be a bigger problem.

However, I think trying to turn it around in the short term is exactly what they are trying to do.
Di Maria is a statement of intent IMO and I don't think that is the last piece of business we will do this season. Rumors of a £200m warchest may not be too far off the mark. And while that is a massive amount of money last season our profit was £130m. I think the Glazers may be willing to give up a couple of years profit to try and get the team back towards the top again.

Would Di Maria have been my first choice to spend £60m+ on at the start of the window, absolutely not. However he is a brilliant winger and will improve the team. No we just need to splash some cash on a CM and a CB.
 
Van Gaal tries to motivate Kagawa:



... in response to a question about leaving Kagawa out of the first XI.

Wow. He's a total wanker.
We should totally bid for Kagawa just to piss them off. The mad man will accept the bid too I'm sure.
 
Yeah I couldn't be arsed having a united thread here. What's the benefit of it? To give our one poster who supports united a platform to give us a level headed view on things? Couldn't give a fuck. What are we doing talking about their sponsorship deals and CEO etc. Fuck that off. This thread will only be worthwhile if the united fan cracks and gives us some entertainment due to a e-rage meltdown.
I've no problem chatting about United with my level headed friends who support them. I'll hear them out, because, well, their my mates. I'll even suffer a bit of idle chat about their current predicament with work colleagues and feign some sort of understanding while masking the majority of my delight at their demise at the same time. No offence to the united fan here but I've no motivation to converse about their current plight and play nice with a blow in off the internet.

United mocked and heckled us as they won all around them. I grew up to this. I didn't get to experience our 'glory' days. It's hilarious watching them struggle each weekend. The fear factor is slipping if not gone. Long may it continue. The bookies had them favourites to be top by the end of August. Delighted the early bubble has burst and the fresh start under LVG is already stale. I hope QPR scalp them after the international break. One more year outside the Top 4 would be excellent.
 
I thought Moyes staying for another year would have just made their fall bigger, harder and take longer to recover from so want them out of the top but not so bad that he's get the sack.

But now he's gone it doesn't come into it so I'll happy see them fire lvg by Xmas
 
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