Riise eyes Liverpool return
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JAR was class for a fair few seasons but his last couple were pants. Aurelio should have replaced him but he failed to stay out of the treatment room.
Aurelio / Insua will have to do us for now. If we can flog Dossena and we can spend the cash then we should put it towards proper cover for Torres
Aurelio / Insua will have to do us for now. If we can flog Dossena and we can spend the cash then we should put it towards proper cover for Torres
[quote author=Portly link=topic=36868.msg976380#msg976380 date=1257079347]
Take off your rose-tinted spectacles, chums.
Riise was never that good as a defender and he had limitations going forward because of his one-footedness. In his last season for us he was a load of shite.
The real mistake was letting go Steven Warnock who was a very good left back and has developed his game a lot since he left us.
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The real mistake was wasting 8M on that useless lump Dossena.
Everyone was a fan of Warnock's good 'ol Scouse enthusiasm and passion during his time here, but his ability as a footballer? Not so much.
He's developed as a player since then (although still not good enough to be a first teamer for us), but development has come from playing week in, week out, not from sitting on the bench every other week, which he would've been doing for us.
I'd take heed of your own advice.
Take off your rose-tinted spectacles, chums.
Riise was never that good as a defender and he had limitations going forward because of his one-footedness. In his last season for us he was a load of shite.
The real mistake was letting go Steven Warnock who was a very good left back and has developed his game a lot since he left us.
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The real mistake was wasting 8M on that useless lump Dossena.
Everyone was a fan of Warnock's good 'ol Scouse enthusiasm and passion during his time here, but his ability as a footballer? Not so much.
He's developed as a player since then (although still not good enough to be a first teamer for us), but development has come from playing week in, week out, not from sitting on the bench every other week, which he would've been doing for us.
I'd take heed of your own advice.
That's illogical Keniget, if you were Portly you wouldn't have given that advice.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=36868.msg976338#msg976338 date=1257072329]
He's miles better than anyone else we have at LB
Trufax
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Exactly.
He's miles better than anyone else we have at LB
Trufax
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Exactly.
Let's forget about comparing anyone to Dossena shall we.
Let's also agree that Aurelio is not good enough and in reality never has been.
Let's also forget about the preposterous idea of re-signing Riise.
Let's also cut Insua a bit of slack too, the last few weeks he has had no help down the left what-so-ever.
If we felt it was a position that needed strengthening as a priority (which there are more pressing areas)we should off-load Dossena and Aurelio for what some dumb-fuck would give us and buy a decent left back (who would inevitably be a better option then Riise, who as has been pointed out already was never a great left-back- per se)
regards
Let's also agree that Aurelio is not good enough and in reality never has been.
Let's also forget about the preposterous idea of re-signing Riise.
Let's also cut Insua a bit of slack too, the last few weeks he has had no help down the left what-so-ever.
If we felt it was a position that needed strengthening as a priority (which there are more pressing areas)we should off-load Dossena and Aurelio for what some dumb-fuck would give us and buy a decent left back (who would inevitably be a better option then Riise, who as has been pointed out already was never a great left-back- per se)
regards
Wow, there's some OTT descriptions of JAR so far. Forgetting his last season for us, he was nearly always solid but he wasn't a fooking superstar because he got the odd goal. Let's not forget to get a goal it took him something like 20-30 shots on goal, he was as one footed as they come and, despite being fairly decent defensively he got caught out a good few times. The only reason this move would be considered is because we have got 3 LBs on the books and not one of them is better than 'alright', let's not get carried away though.
I like Insua and think that once we get a settled back 4 (so basically once agger is playing week in week out again) that he will grow into the role.
If we are going to look for a new LB though I think that maybe trying to get one of Arsenal's could be worth a shout. Gibbs will soon be looking for a regular place in the team so maybe clichy could be available? I doubt he would be cheap though
If we are going to look for a new LB though I think that maybe trying to get one of Arsenal's could be worth a shout. Gibbs will soon be looking for a regular place in the team so maybe clichy could be available? I doubt he would be cheap though
[quote author=Bristow link=topic=36868.msg976699#msg976699 date=1257100971]
I like Insua and think that once we get a settled back 4 (so basically once agger is playing week in week out again) that he will grow into the role.
If we are going to look for a new LB though I think that maybe trying to get one of Arsenal's could be worth a shout. Gibbs will soon be looking for a regular place in the team so maybe clichy could be available? I doubt he would be cheap though
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I'd rather go for Gibbs, though the price would be extortionate.
I like Insua and think that once we get a settled back 4 (so basically once agger is playing week in week out again) that he will grow into the role.
If we are going to look for a new LB though I think that maybe trying to get one of Arsenal's could be worth a shout. Gibbs will soon be looking for a regular place in the team so maybe clichy could be available? I doubt he would be cheap though
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I'd rather go for Gibbs, though the price would be extortionate.
I think Riise is a better DEFENDER than any of the LBs currently at the club.
Some people think it's an important characteristic in a LB.
I had more confidence in the defending ability of Finnan, Hyypia, Carragher and Riise than I have in the scary possible back four of Johnson/Degen, Skrtel, Agger/Kyrgwhateveropilis, Aurelio/Dossena/Insua or any combination of them.
Some people think it's an important characteristic in a LB.
I had more confidence in the defending ability of Finnan, Hyypia, Carragher and Riise than I have in the scary possible back four of Johnson/Degen, Skrtel, Agger/Kyrgwhateveropilis, Aurelio/Dossena/Insua or any combination of them.
Riise's club stats
Season Started/sub Goals/Assists Shot off/Shots on
target
2001/2 36-5 7-?
2002/3 48-8 6-3 49-31
2003/4 27-7 0-4 30-30
2004/5 51-5 8-7 84-28
2005/6 42-10 4-3 67-23
2006/7 44-4 5-1 92-29
2007/8 31-12 0-5 71-29
2008/9 37-3 2-2 57-13
2009/10 10-2 1-0 24- 8 (to date)
Season Started/sub Goals/Assists Shot off/Shots on
target
2001/2 36-5 7-?
2002/3 48-8 6-3 49-31
2003/4 27-7 0-4 30-30
2004/5 51-5 8-7 84-28
2005/6 42-10 4-3 67-23
2006/7 44-4 5-1 92-29
2007/8 31-12 0-5 71-29
2008/9 37-3 2-2 57-13
2009/10 10-2 1-0 24- 8 (to date)
LOL at the 92 shots off target in 06/07
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36868.msg976678#msg976678 date=1257099818]
Let's forget about comparing anyone to Dossena shall we.
Let's also agree that Aurelio is not good enough and in reality never has been.
Let's also forget about the preposterous idea of re-signing Riise.
Let's also cut Insua a bit of slack too, the last few weeks he has had no help down the left what-so-ever.
If we felt it was a position that needed strengthening as a priority (which there are more pressing areas)we should off-load Dossena and Aurelio for what some dumb-fuck would give us and buy a decent left back (who would inevitably be a better option then Riise, who as has been pointed out already was never a great left-back- per se)
regards
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Good post.
Although Aurelio's not as bad as you make out I think.
Let's forget about comparing anyone to Dossena shall we.
Let's also agree that Aurelio is not good enough and in reality never has been.
Let's also forget about the preposterous idea of re-signing Riise.
Let's also cut Insua a bit of slack too, the last few weeks he has had no help down the left what-so-ever.
If we felt it was a position that needed strengthening as a priority (which there are more pressing areas)we should off-load Dossena and Aurelio for what some dumb-fuck would give us and buy a decent left back (who would inevitably be a better option then Riise, who as has been pointed out already was never a great left-back- per se)
regards
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Good post.
Although Aurelio's not as bad as you make out I think.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36868.msg976868#msg976868 date=1257113908]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36868.msg976678#msg976678 date=1257099818]
Let's forget about comparing anyone to Dossena shall we.
Let's also agree that Aurelio is not good enough and in reality never has been.
Let's also forget about the preposterous idea of re-signing Riise.
Let's also cut Insua a bit of slack too, the last few weeks he has had no help down the left what-so-ever.
If we felt it was a position that needed strengthening as a priority (which there are more pressing areas)we should off-load Dossena and Aurelio for what some dumb-fuck would give us and buy a decent left back (who would inevitably be a better option then Riise, who as has been pointed out already was never a great left-back- per se)
regards
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Good post.
Although Aurelio's not as bad as you make out I think.
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He's not but unfortunately he makes Daniel Agger look a picture of health.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36868.msg976678#msg976678 date=1257099818]
Let's forget about comparing anyone to Dossena shall we.
Let's also agree that Aurelio is not good enough and in reality never has been.
Let's also forget about the preposterous idea of re-signing Riise.
Let's also cut Insua a bit of slack too, the last few weeks he has had no help down the left what-so-ever.
If we felt it was a position that needed strengthening as a priority (which there are more pressing areas)we should off-load Dossena and Aurelio for what some dumb-fuck would give us and buy a decent left back (who would inevitably be a better option then Riise, who as has been pointed out already was never a great left-back- per se)
regards
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Good post.
Although Aurelio's not as bad as you make out I think.
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He's not but unfortunately he makes Daniel Agger look a picture of health.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36868.msg976462#msg976462 date=1257088145]
Riise was great for years but garbage for his last year or so.
If someone advocated replacing rubbish with rubbish but it was someone we'd never heard of then no one would be so keen on it. Just because it's JAR shouldn't change the fact he's no longer good enough.
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This.
Riise was great for years but garbage for his last year or so.
If someone advocated replacing rubbish with rubbish but it was someone we'd never heard of then no one would be so keen on it. Just because it's JAR shouldn't change the fact he's no longer good enough.
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This.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36868.msg976678#msg976678 date=1257099818]
Let's forget about comparing anyone to Dossena shall we.
Let's also agree that Aurelio is not good enough and in reality never has been.
Let's also forget about the preposterous idea of re-signing Riise.
Let's also cut Insua a bit of slack too, the last few weeks he has had no help down the left what-so-ever.
If we felt it was a position that needed strengthening as a priority (which there are more pressing areas)we should off-load Dossena and Aurelio for what some dumb-fuck would give us and buy a decent left back (who would inevitably be a better option then Riise, who as has been pointed out already was never a great left-back- per se)
regards
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Would you not swap Riise for Dossena in our squad right now?
Let's forget about comparing anyone to Dossena shall we.
Let's also agree that Aurelio is not good enough and in reality never has been.
Let's also forget about the preposterous idea of re-signing Riise.
Let's also cut Insua a bit of slack too, the last few weeks he has had no help down the left what-so-ever.
If we felt it was a position that needed strengthening as a priority (which there are more pressing areas)we should off-load Dossena and Aurelio for what some dumb-fuck would give us and buy a decent left back (who would inevitably be a better option then Riise, who as has been pointed out already was never a great left-back- per se)
regards
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Would you not swap Riise for Dossena in our squad right now?
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=36868.msg976942#msg976942 date=1257129878]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36868.msg976678#msg976678 date=1257099818]
Let's forget about comparing anyone to Dossena shall we.
Let's also agree that Aurelio is not good enough and in reality never has been.
Let's also forget about the preposterous idea of re-signing Riise.
Let's also cut Insua a bit of slack too, the last few weeks he has had no help down the left what-so-ever.
If we felt it was a position that needed strengthening as a priority (which there are more pressing areas)we should off-load Dossena and Aurelio for what some dumb-fuck would give us and buy a decent left back (who would inevitably be a better option then Riise, who as has been pointed out already was never a great left-back- per se)
regards
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Would you not swap Riise for Dossena in our squad right now?
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That is not the point, I would swap a bucket of festering bat guano for Dossena right now.
The point is, great servant although Riise might have been (but not great left back), if we thought left-back was a priority Riise would not be the answer, I am sure there are plenty of decent left-back hacking around in the up-to £5m category that could do a job for us
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36868.msg976678#msg976678 date=1257099818]
Let's forget about comparing anyone to Dossena shall we.
Let's also agree that Aurelio is not good enough and in reality never has been.
Let's also forget about the preposterous idea of re-signing Riise.
Let's also cut Insua a bit of slack too, the last few weeks he has had no help down the left what-so-ever.
If we felt it was a position that needed strengthening as a priority (which there are more pressing areas)we should off-load Dossena and Aurelio for what some dumb-fuck would give us and buy a decent left back (who would inevitably be a better option then Riise, who as has been pointed out already was never a great left-back- per se)
regards
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Would you not swap Riise for Dossena in our squad right now?
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That is not the point, I would swap a bucket of festering bat guano for Dossena right now.
The point is, great servant although Riise might have been (but not great left back), if we thought left-back was a priority Riise would not be the answer, I am sure there are plenty of decent left-back hacking around in the up-to £5m category that could do a job for us
regards
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36868.msg976979#msg976979 date=1257141565]
We should have just kept Riise and never bought Dossena! Would have been far better off.
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Rubbish. We'd still have a player who was regularly being slaughtered on here two years ago, but now slower and even more complacent. That's 'far better off' is it?
We should have just kept Riise and never bought Dossena! Would have been far better off.
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Rubbish. We'd still have a player who was regularly being slaughtered on here two years ago, but now slower and even more complacent. That's 'far better off' is it?
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36868.msg976703#msg976703 date=1257102114]
I think Riise is a better DEFENDER than any of the LBs currently at the club.
Some people think it's an important characteristic in a LB.
I had more confidence in the defending ability of Finnan, Hyypia, Carragher and Riise than I have in the scary possible back four of Johnson/Degen, Skrtel, Agger/Kyrgwhateveropilis, Aurelio/Dossena/Insua or any combination of them.
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I think you'd also have to add this season's Carra to that 'scary' list. If there was ONE overriding reason why we've leaked so many goals this season, for me it's Jamie's massive decline in form and confidence. Yes, even more important than replacing Xabi with Lucas.
I think Riise is a better DEFENDER than any of the LBs currently at the club.
Some people think it's an important characteristic in a LB.
I had more confidence in the defending ability of Finnan, Hyypia, Carragher and Riise than I have in the scary possible back four of Johnson/Degen, Skrtel, Agger/Kyrgwhateveropilis, Aurelio/Dossena/Insua or any combination of them.
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I think you'd also have to add this season's Carra to that 'scary' list. If there was ONE overriding reason why we've leaked so many goals this season, for me it's Jamie's massive decline in form and confidence. Yes, even more important than replacing Xabi with Lucas.
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[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36868.msg976703#msg976703 date=1257102114]
I think Riise is a better DEFENDER than any of the LBs currently at the club.
Some people think it's an important characteristic in a LB.
I had more confidence in the defending ability of Finnan, Hyypia, Carragher and Riise than I have in the scary possible back four of Johnson/Degen, Skrtel, Agger/Kyrgwhateveropilis, Aurelio/Dossena/Insua or any combination of them.
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I think you'd also have to add this season's Carra to that 'scary' list. If there was ONE overriding reason why we've leaked so many goals this season, for me it's Jamie's massive decline in form and confidence. Yes, even more important than replacing Xabi with Lucas.
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The problem with Carra though is he's always looked vulnerable when isolated or when the defense is stretched. The fullbacks have offered little protection, so both centre backs have been exposed and pulled away from eachother as a result. No doubt age is a factor, but if the problems I've just mentioned are true, you can understand why it's hitting him hard, he's having to work harder as a result, which will effect his stamina and fatigue levels and ultimately impact on his abilities.
We looked alot better against United when the full backs were more disciplined. I know you can't have it both ways and that the attacking nature of the fullbacks has been a breath of fresh air, but there's got to be balance and decisiveness, which will help breed confidence in everyone.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36868.msg976703#msg976703 date=1257102114]
I think Riise is a better DEFENDER than any of the LBs currently at the club.
Some people think it's an important characteristic in a LB.
I had more confidence in the defending ability of Finnan, Hyypia, Carragher and Riise than I have in the scary possible back four of Johnson/Degen, Skrtel, Agger/Kyrgwhateveropilis, Aurelio/Dossena/Insua or any combination of them.
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I think you'd also have to add this season's Carra to that 'scary' list. If there was ONE overriding reason why we've leaked so many goals this season, for me it's Jamie's massive decline in form and confidence. Yes, even more important than replacing Xabi with Lucas.
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The problem with Carra though is he's always looked vulnerable when isolated or when the defense is stretched. The fullbacks have offered little protection, so both centre backs have been exposed and pulled away from eachother as a result. No doubt age is a factor, but if the problems I've just mentioned are true, you can understand why it's hitting him hard, he's having to work harder as a result, which will effect his stamina and fatigue levels and ultimately impact on his abilities.
We looked alot better against United when the full backs were more disciplined. I know you can't have it both ways and that the attacking nature of the fullbacks has been a breath of fresh air, but there's got to be balance and decisiveness, which will help breed confidence in everyone.
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Riise played very well whenever I've seen him for Roma.
I vaguely know two Roma fans, two guys who I met on my travels and have their MSN, and they rate him highly.
I vaguely know two Roma fans, two guys who I met on my travels and have their MSN, and they rate him highly.
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They rate him but think he's a bit too cocksure of himself and he could be off soon.
Speaks out too much, apparently.
Speaks out too much, apparently.
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