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Yeah, it doesn't look good like.
In its current guise it is absolutely sucking the spontaneity and joy out of your team scoring a goal. It’s EVERY goal being analysed to death by some incompetent biased knob. Hendo’s goal against Spurs the perfect example. Why was that referred to VAR? Absolutely no need. Fuck it off.
I was moaning about this weeks ago, offside is not black and white with shoulders it’s subjective. They are drawing a line where they think the part that can legally play the ball is. What they did today was fiddle about with the line a minute amount to justify the decision already given.
Exactly. That's a separate point I've made in the past. They go to insane lengths to make sure they don't drop their mate in it.
He's a fat cunt. I Don't think I've mentioned it enough.
Yea it should be seen as a team decision instead of the man on the pitch, they may hopefully have started to realise that it’s probably worse to have all this technology and fail than correct each other’s mistakes.
And yet you didn't
All the other refs are biased?
definitely. It’s not accurate enough to give those decisions.
Seeing as they like “clear and obvious” so much, it should only be given offside if it was “clear and obvious”
can you imagine the rage at a match if that process today was shown on the big screen while the decision was taken. There’d have been mayhem
Definitely for the best they don’t show it. Even in cases where the outcome is correct it’ll enrage a load of people.
Maybe if the video ref knew their decisions will be shown, it will help ensure better decisions?
The 2 different VAR calibrations was DODGY so say the least.
It seemed like they were fiddling about with lines just to make him offside. I'm sure if they wanted to make Firmino onside, they would have gone with the first calibration. They'd have also taken that calibration for 0.1sec earlier when Mane made first contact with the ball (and not whilst he was kicking it; again another big margin of error).
It was also very dodgy that we didn't get a VAR review on that handball around 74mins. For me, that looked like it clearly struck his arm.
Also, watching City's winner today, if Atkinson was on VAR, that would have been ruled out offside. When the ball is played to Angelino, his nose is just past Stephens in the middle of the box. I'm surprised they didn't draw any lines from it.
It seemed like they were fiddling about with lines just to make him offside. I'm sure if they wanted to make Firmino onside, they would have gone with the first calibration. They'd have also taken that calibration for 0.1sec earlier when Mane made first contact with the ball (and not whilst he was kicking it; again another big margin of error).
It was also very dodgy that we didn't get a VAR review on that handball around 74mins. For me, that looked like it clearly struck his arm.
Also, watching City's winner today, if Atkinson was on VAR, that would have been ruled out offside. When the ball is played to Angelino, his nose is just past Stephens in the middle of the box. I'm surprised they didn't draw any lines from it.
I was literally going to post your Angelino point myself, tongue in cheek. His armpit/nose whatever was slightly offside.
The difference is, had the ref given it offside, they would probably have manipulated the tech to show him as offside to back the ref/linesman.
Ball clearly hit the guys hand. You can argue about distance, but, you're not allowed to defend like this anymore. Arms have to be in a natural arc. I was surprised (or not, now knowing it was Atkinson in the booth) that this didn't at least get a VAR check.
Yeah, I thought that could easily have been a penalty. MOTD glossed over it.
I'm not even sure it's that negative, there are now TWO cheers per goal 😉
The frustrating bit about that is that it is beyond simple to use a reference to ensure your horizontal is correct :
- First line drawn is from the goal line and then pull it back to the last defender. It is simplicity itself for a computer program to do this and there can be no argument.
- Verticals can then be drawn at 90 degrees to prove offside or not.
- There needs to be a rule change due to allow a small degree of inaccuracy for frame rates, advantaging the attacker. There have been two or three lately that were disallowed by the tiniest of margins which could be covered by frame rates.
EDIT : Adding this screen grab : From a normal standing position (which you can see it is) is it scientifically even possible to get your armpit ahead of your knee ? That is even aside from the fact that according to the horizontal they have drawn you can clearly see the defender's knee closer to the line.
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There's nothing wrong with VAR. It's the cock-eyed muppets who sit behind their PCs manning the system, which is the real problem. And the ones relaying inaccurate info through the voice pieces. They should setup a VAR to VAR the refs.
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This takes the cake really. The big screen that is made up of multiple tvs screen had true lines, and the line drawn to Bobby's armpit was not even straight by comparison. It's really obvious the var ref has made up his mind and was drawing it to justify the decision.
The frustrating bit about that is that it is beyond simple to use a reference to ensure your horizontal is correct :
None of the above is a VAR implementation issue per se, it's human error and common sense.
- First line drawn is from the goal line and then pull it back to the last defender. It is simplicity itself for a computer program to do this and there can be no argument.
- Verticals can then be drawn at 90 degrees to prove offside or not.
- There needs to be a rule change due to allow a small degree of inaccuracy for frame rates, advantaging the attacker. There have been two or three lately that were disallowed by the tiniest of margins which could be covered by frame rates.
EDIT : Adding this screen grab : From a normal standing position (which you can see it is) is it scientifically even possible to get your armpit ahead of your knee ? That is even aside from the fact that according to the horizontal they have drawn you can clearly see the defender's knee closer to the line.
The red line is slanted when compared to the black lines made by the TV screens.
It's not accurate in any sense anyway.
Until they use 240fps cameras & zoom in on the exact moment the ball leaves contact, & then pan out, then have the computer (not a dickhead person) automatically draw one pixel (not ten pixel thick like the ones they're using now) lines dissecting every point of contact & highlighting them, then simply making the decision, it'll always be wrong, & it'll be biased too.
It's not VAR we need, it's AIR (Artifical Intelligence Referee), & you know what, I'd be amazed if the system I've just described there is even that difficult to program. It's basically a fancy video editing tool that can display a result.
Until they use 240fps cameras & zoom in on the exact moment the ball leaves contact, & then pan out, then have the computer (not a dickhead person) automatically draw one pixel (not ten pixel thick like the ones they're using now) lines dissecting every point of contact & highlighting them, then simply making the decision, it'll always be wrong, & it'll be biased too.
It's not VAR we need, it's AIR (Artifical Intelligence Referee), & you know what, I'd be amazed if the system I've just described there is even that difficult to program. It's basically a fancy video editing tool that can display a result.
The frustrating bit about that is that it is beyond simple to use a reference to ensure your horizontal is correct :
None of the above is a VAR implementation issue per se, it's human error and common sense.
- First line drawn is from the goal line and then pull it back to the last defender. It is simplicity itself for a computer program to do this and there can be no argument.
- Verticals can then be drawn at 90 degrees to prove offside or not.
- There needs to be a rule change due to allow a small degree of inaccuracy for frame rates, advantaging the attacker. There have been two or three lately that were disallowed by the tiniest of margins which could be covered by frame rates.
EDIT : Adding this screen grab : From a normal standing position (which you can see it is) is it scientifically even possible to get your armpit ahead of your knee ? That is even aside from the fact that according to the horizontal they have drawn you can clearly see the defender's knee closer to the line.
The FA laws of the game will always trump the so called laws of physics and human biology.
That's Bull. There is no way we have more tights than wrong compared to when there was no VAR
No it's not difficult. The most incompetent programmer you could find would even have it ready for next weekend. Also, by using AIR the decision time would be cut down to milliseconds.
That may be a case of perspective. Viewed from a position next the player it may be correct. Difficult for us to ascertain. However the issue I have is why did the horizontal need to be 'redrawn' ? The computer can't get it wrong the first time and need to be redrawn by a human surely !
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