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Liverpool pass on Rhone bid

Debt repayment deadline looms as bid of £110m is rejected by club's owners

By Ian Herbert
Tuesday, 6 April 2010

A bid of £110m by New York-based fund management company Rhone Group to take a controlling share in Liverpool appeared effectively to have been rejected last night, with no sense that the club wished to pursue it ahead of a midnight deadline.

The Independent revealed last month that Rhone's offer had a three-week deadline attached and subject to an 11th-hour turnaround in discussions, it has lapsed. Though Rhone's investment is needed to pay down £100m of debt demanded of the club by Liverpool's bankers, Royal Bank of Scotland, the club seem to believe they can secure a better deal elsewhere.

It does not seem that Rhone will go back to the club in the future and though further negotiations are possible if Liverpool re-establish contact, the valuation may have changed if Rafael Benitez's side are not playing Champions League football next season. Qualification brings an additional £20m annual revenue.

Investment community analysts believe that Liverpool hoped the interest of Rhone, who have been unwilling to discuss their bid, might have flushed out a better offer. But while two other prospective investors are believed to be in the wings, no alternative bids are on the table at the Easter target date identified by Liverpool managing director, Christian Purslow, for finding a new equity partner.

The sticking point in negotiations with Rhone seems to relate to Liverpool co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett's refusal to cede overall control of the club. The owners' preference is to sell a 40 per cent stake in the club, but to combine their respective 30 per cent shares to maintain overall control. Rhone are likely to have wanted concrete assurances written into any deal that this would not happen.

A 100 per cent takeover would solve that problem, though the £500m price initially demanded by Hicks and Gilllett from Dubai International Capital two years ago could be further reduced by non-qualification for the Champions League.

One source with insider knowledge of Liverpool's search for new investors has suggested several are delaying offers while they wait to see if non-qualification drives down the price. "Qualification is not necessarily the best outcome for would-be investors," the source said.

Purslow, who is leading the search for investors, said in February that it was a "requirement" of RBS that £100m be found from new equity partners to pay down a large slice of the debt heaped upon the club by Hicks and Gillett's leveraged buyout. It is unclear when the deadline for that £100m repayment expires though since RBS are not ready to foreclose on the club. The idea of a state-owned bank making such a move a month ahead of a General Election is highly unlikely, so Liverpool seem to have until July when the current debts are refinanced.

Captain Steven Gerrard has cast some doubt on Liverpool's ability to win their remaining five games in pursuit of fourth place. "That's what we said with six games to go," he said. "It's all right saying we'll be all right if we go and win our last five games – we have to go out on to the pitch and win them rather than talk about it. I think it'll go down to the wire."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpool-pass-on-rhone-bid-1936614.html
 
that's what I was thinking, potential investors are waiting to see if liverpool finish outside the top for then they would demand G&H lower ther valuation for the club. its entirely possible finishing outside the top 4 may be a blessing in disguise. doubt it though.
 
We'll definitely have someone much better lined up if this is the case. After all, you don't give up the family jewells easily.
 
those owners make me sick every time i read another article. they really are muppets.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39672.msg1082702#msg1082702 date=1270514825]
We'll definitely have someone much better lined up if this is the case. After all, you don't give up the family jewells easily.
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I wouldnt make a post like this, Ry.

We're at a point now when desperate people don't see your sarcasm.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39672.msg1082714#msg1082714 date=1270517803]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39672.msg1082702#msg1082702 date=1270514825]
We'll definitely have someone much better lined up if this is the case. After all, you don't give up the family jewells easily.
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I wouldnt make a post like this, Ry.

We're at a point now when desperate people don't see your sarcasm.
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Ha!
 
Hicks defaulted on a 500 million loan to Bank of America and they have done zilch in the last year until MLB stepped in. They are still patiently waiting for their money. Hope RBS are slightly more harsh.
 
I want Liverpool to get that fourth place. People who are praying that we'll drop out, so that we'll be cheaper for a potential buyer to come rescue us from Punch and Judy, are deluding themselves. Looking at their past behaviour, they're more likely to start asset stripping before they cede control. i.e. bye bye Torres, Gerrard, etc.
 
[quote author=etchy link=topic=39672.msg1082754#msg1082754 date=1270524990]
I want Liverpool to get that fourth place. People who are praying that we'll drop out, so that we'll be cheaper for a potential buyer to come rescue us from Punch and Judy, are deluding themselves. Looking at their past behaviour, they're more likely to start asset stripping before they cede control. i.e. bye bye Torres, Gerrard, etc.
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Correct.
 
In fairness, it's almost impossible to tell when O'Tomkins is being sarcastic these days, given the amount of shit he spouts with an apparently straight face
 
I highely doubt they'd be able to sell Torres and Gerrard without a board meeting, and that would get turned down.

It would also lower the valuation of the club further, and that would be a bigger blow to H&G.
So I wouldn't worry about that.

Looks like the rumours I read at YNWA could be true then, about 2 potential investors that want a complete buy out. Nothing will happen before may though.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39672.msg1082778#msg1082778 date=1270536969]
I highely doubt they'd be able to sell Torres and Gerrard without a board meeting, and that would get turned down.

It would also lower the valuation of the club further, and that would be a bigger blow to H&G.
So I wouldn't worry about that.

Looks like the rumours I read at YNWA could be true then, about 2 potential investors that want a complete buy out. Nothing will happen before may though.
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they ARE the board and would be entirely up to them to sell torres and gerrard to secure that 100m if it meant keeping full of the company. don't put it past them, read their past history, they've done much much worse.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39672.msg1082778#msg1082778 date=1270536969]
I highely doubt they'd be able to sell Torres and Gerrard without a board meeting, and that would get turned down.

It would also lower the valuation of the club further, and that would be a bigger blow to H&G.
So I wouldn't worry about that.

Looks like the rumours I read at YNWA could be true then, about 2 potential investors that want a complete buy out. Nothing will happen before may though.
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It wouldn't lower the value of the club by as much as they'd gain in cash. Torres, Gerrard, Mascher and Reina could easily be sold for about £200m; the club is probably 'worth' no more than £300m at the moment.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39672.msg1082805#msg1082805 date=1270539259]
Our club is going to end up as a cautionary tale cited by UEFA officials.
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Or, more optimistically, as the first club saved and 'given back' to its fans by a re-elected Labour government.
 
G&H want a return on their 'investment' (what a fucking laugh) no way were they going to give up control of the club (and that's what would have happened if rhone got in the door) with seeing some of that cash and every PENNY of that money was going to pay the loan, so G&H thought 'fuck THAT!'
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39672.msg1082807#msg1082807 date=1270539354]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39672.msg1082805#msg1082805 date=1270539259]
Our club is going to end up as a cautionary tale cited by UEFA officials.
[/quote]

Or, more optimistically, as the first club saved and 'given back' to its fans by a re-elected Labour government.
[/quote]

what? and how exactly could that happen?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39672.msg1082811#msg1082811 date=1270539541]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39672.msg1082807#msg1082807 date=1270539354]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39672.msg1082805#msg1082805 date=1270539259]
Our club is going to end up as a cautionary tale cited by UEFA officials.
[/quote]

Or, more optimistically, as the first club saved and 'given back' to its fans by a re-elected Labour government.
[/quote]

what? and how exactly could that happen?
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The clue's cunningly hidden in the words Neil.

Labour, having been re-elected, would give the club, from the state-owned RBS to the fans.
 
I think we should create a new UK-based fans consortium & approach Labour.

We could guarantee them the vote of each fan in the consortium under the proviso they give us the club on a shared ownership basis when they get re-elected.

It's certainly less far-fetched than the combined efforts of SoS & ShareLiverpool.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39672.msg1082817#msg1082817 date=1270539796]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39672.msg1082811#msg1082811 date=1270539541]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39672.msg1082807#msg1082807 date=1270539354]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39672.msg1082805#msg1082805 date=1270539259]
Our club is going to end up as a cautionary tale cited by UEFA officials.
[/quote]

Or, more optimistically, as the first club saved and 'given back' to its fans by a re-elected Labour government.
[/quote]

what? and how exactly could that happen?
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The clue's cunningly hidden in the words Neil.

Labour, having been re-elected, would give the club, from the state-owned RBS to the fans.
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G&H would sell players to secure that 100m rather than default on the loan. that's what I meant by how would labour grab control of the club.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39672.msg1082822#msg1082822 date=1270540010]
I think we should create a new UK-based fans consortium & approach Labour.

We could guarantee them the vote of each fan in the consortium under the proviso they give us the club on a shared ownership basis when they get re-elected.

It's certainly less far-fetched than the combined efforts of SoS & ShareLiverpool.
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Even I could be peruaded to vote Labour if that was on the manifesto. Given that I don't live there I wouldn't have to live with the rest of the consequences!
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39672.msg1082822#msg1082822 date=1270540010]
I think we should create a new UK-based fans consortium & approach Labour.

We could guarantee them the vote of each fan in the consortium under the proviso they give us the club on a shared ownership basis when they get re-elected.

It's certainly less far-fetched than the combined efforts of SoS & ShareLiverpool.
[/quote]

that plan is fabulously corrupt and impracticable. what the hell are SoS proposing to compare to this?!
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39672.msg1082765#msg1082765 date=1270535294]
What actually happened at Corinthians Avvy ?
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From wiki :

In 1999, Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst bought Sport Club Corinthians Paulista, a successful Brazilian club team. The club initially succeeded under the new ownership group by winning the FIFA Club World Cup. Before the purchase of the club, the ownership group assured the fans that a new stadium was in development. This never materialized and after legal/financial troubles and partner infighting, Hicks retired from the company and the ownership group eventually sold Corinthians. The ownership group drew the fury of Corinthian's fans due to financial decisions, the introduction of corporate sponsors on the players' uniforms and the changing of the club's colors. The club was eventually sold and left in a worse position after they were relegated to a lower level league. Comparisons have been made between Hicks's Brazilian failure and his current troubles at Liverpool Football Club.


I take your point tho; we could see the exact same result as well 🙁
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39672.msg1082846#msg1082846 date=1270541834]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39672.msg1082765#msg1082765 date=1270535294]
What actually happened at Corinthians Avvy ?
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From wiki :

In 1999, Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst bought Sport Club Corinthians Paulista, a successful Brazilian club team. The club initially succeeded under the new ownership group by winning the FIFA Club World Cup. Before the purchase of the club, the ownership group assured the fans that a new stadium was in development. This never materialized and after legal/financial troubles and partner infighting, Hicks retired from the company and the ownership group eventually sold Corinthians. The ownership group drew the fury of Corinthian's fans due to financial decisions, the introduction of corporate sponsors on the players' uniforms and the changing of the club's colors. The club was eventually sold and left in a worse position after they were relegated to a lower level league. Comparisons have been made between Hicks's Brazilian failure and his current troubles at Liverpool Football Club.


I take your point tho; we could see the exact same result as well 🙁
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what fucks me off is moores and parry could have fucking GOOGLED that information. FFS!!
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39672.msg1082807#msg1082807 date=1270539354]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39672.msg1082805#msg1082805 date=1270539259]
Our club is going to end up as a cautionary tale cited by UEFA officials.
[/quote]

Or, more optimistically, as the first club saved and 'given back' to its fans by a re-elected Labour government.
[/quote]
My version is more likely.
 
Hicks and Gillett make me sick... couldn't even give Rhone group the courtesy of saying "thanks but no thanks" if that article is to be believed. Unprofessional behaviour to the extreme.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39672.msg1082822#msg1082822 date=1270540010]
I think we should create a new UK-based fans consortium & approach Labour.

We could guarantee them the vote of each fan in the consortium under the proviso they give us the club on a shared ownership basis when they get re-elected.

It's certainly less far-fetched than the combined efforts of SoS & ShareLiverpool.
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I'm not sure we'd need to. It's in their manifesto, isn't it? If they did that for us and United, they'd have the goodwill of millions of people straight away.
 
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