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Poll Poll: 4th or win the EL ?

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Which scenario would you prefer or do you think we should prioritise ?

  • 4th Place or above

    Votes: 14 40.0%

  • Europa League (Winners qualify for the CL)

    Votes: 21 60.0%

  • FA Cup

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    35
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Silver Sean

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Everyone is pretty obsessed with us finishing top four now we've turned the season around. But if it comes down to it I would love to see us lift the UEFA cup in Warsaw. That way we win a european trophy AND get into the CL.
There's some storied European teams still in it (and Everton).
 
So the question is an extra 1M or whatever it is for finishing a bit higher in the league or winning a European cup?

Gee, let me think...
 
There are a couple of other minor drawbacks to winning the EL as opposed to finishing 4th: less money from the CL as the pot would be split 5 ways instead of 4, and it entails one more rival having access to funds to build a competitive squad.

On the other hand, it's a good trophy to win, so that more than outweighs those considerations.
 
Europa League..

I have said this from the day dot...

It takes less games to qualify for the champions league by wining the Europa League than trying to finish 4th..

That being said... I would expect us to do both...
 
I do. I think the thing that made our end of season meltdown bareable last year was how shit Man United were.

I'd love for them to fail again. If not, Arse not qualifying for the first time in aeons would be great. Idealy we come 3rd and Southampton come 4th and we win the Europa, but if it's got to be one or the other then effectively knocking Man U or Arse out of the CL would be ace.
 
When both get you CL qualification, it's an absolute no-brainer.

Even if Europa didn't get you CL, you'd probably have to go for it.
 
Woland said:
I do. I think the thing that made our end of season meltdown bareable last year was how shit Man United were.

I'd love for them to fail again. If not, Arse not qualifying for the first time in aeons would be great. Idealy we come 3rd and Southampton come 4th and we win the Europa, but if it's got to be one or the other then effectively knocking Man U or Arse out of the CL would be ace.
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I'd also quite like to see Spurs go into liquidation.
 
Woland said:
I do. I think the thing that made our end of season meltdown bareable last year was how shit Man United were.

I'd love for them to fail again. If not, Arse not qualifying for the first time in aeons would be great. Idealy we come 3rd and Southampton come 4th and we win the Europa, but if it's got to be one or the other then effectively knocking Man U or Arse out of the CL would be ace.
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Yes it would be nice, but I really would take winning a trophy over any of that imho...
 
peterhague said:
There are a couple of other minor drawbacks to winning the EL as opposed to finishing 4th: less money from the CL as the pot would be split 5 ways instead of 4, and it entails one more rival having access to funds to build a competitive squad.

On the other hand, it's a good trophy to win, so that more than outweighs those considerations.
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As others have hinted, it would only be split 4 ways as the team in 4th would go in the EL
 
To clarify:

The UEFA Executive Committee held in May 2013 approved the following changes to the UEFA Champions League starting from the 2015–16 season (for the three-year cycle until the 2017–18 season):[2]
  • The winners of the previous season's UEFA Europa League will qualify for the UEFA Champions League. They will enter at least the play-off round, and will enter the group stage if the berth reserved for the Champions League title holders is not used.
  • The previous limit of a maximum of four teams per association will be increased to five, meaning that if the Champions League title holders or the Europa League title holders are from the top three ranked associations (but not both from the same one) and finish outside the top four of their domestic league, the fourth-placed team of their association will not be prevented from participating in the tournament. However, if both the Champions League title holders and the Europa League title holders are from the same top three ranked association and finish outside the top four of their domestic league, the fourth-placed team of their association will be moved to the Europa League.[3]
 
By the way, I went to see Stewart Lee in Manc on Saturday at the lowry, so I booked a table at this place called Lime right opposite. I knew it served food and had the footy on, so I requested a table near a TV... and as soon as I booked online the greeter rang me to ask if I wanted to watch the footy or the rugby. Anyways I got there about half four on Saturday and she's organised this table in position A right in front of this massive screen with our match on. She said that I'd have to keep my voice down if we scored as even though it was all set up for Valentine's Day you can see Old Toilet from the window and it's a big Man U venue on match day.... which reminded me...

About 5 years ago I took my eldest scrote to the swamp to watch Liverpool beat Manure 4-1. It was his first away game in the league and clearly, fucking brilliant. I'd told the missus to pick us up by the lowry at about 4pm, we were all going to a party in Leeds later, and as the match was an early kick off and they normally lock you in for an hour afterwards I thought we mightnt get out until about 3.45 or something. Anywhizz we got out with maybe half an hour to spare, and walked over to by the lowry and saw that bar. I told scrote to say nothing and I'd put my best wool accent on and buy a 'parnt a cydor anna glassa curk' and we could just quietly giggle to ourselves amongst hundreds of crying scumbags. So that's what I did... entirely convincingly, and as the barman took the money and passed me the drinks he asked if I'd been the game, and I nodded, and he said 'urggh it were terrible weren't it' and something clicked and I couldn't help myself, I found myself laughing back 'no mate, it's the best fucking game I've ever been to'. Scrote looks at me as scores of eyes turned towards us, so I just grabbed him and marched out. We swilled our drinks on the way and legged it into the theatre foyer for a much safer glass of wine and a scone or something.

Anyways, the only time I've been back to that Lime Bar was this Saturday... so the moral of all of this it's a very lucky pub, and dead good for watching the match in if it's on before a show, as long as you can keep your stupid gob shut.
 
Woland said:
By the way, I went to see Stewart Lee in Manc on Saturday at the lowry, so I booked a table at this place called Lime right opposite. I knew it served food and had the footy on, so I requested a table near a TV... and as soon as I booked online the greeter rang me to ask if I wanted to watch the footy or the rugby. Anyways I got there about half four on Saturday and she's organised this table in position A right in front of this massive screen with our match on. She said that I'd have to keep my voice down if we scored as even though it was all set up for Valentine's Day you can see Old Toilet from the window and it's a big Man U venue on match day.... which reminded me...

About 5 years ago I took my eldest scrote to the swamp to watch Liverpool beat Manure 4-1. It was his first away game in the league and clearly, fucking brilliant. I'd told the missus to pick us up by the lowry at about 4pm, we were all going to a party in Leeds later, and as the match was an early kick off and they normally lock you in for an hour afterwards I thought we mightnt get out until about 3.45 or something. Anywhizz we got out with maybe half an hour to spare, and walked over to by the lowry and saw that bar. I told scrote to say nothing and I'd put my best wool accent on and buy a 'parnt a cydor anna glassa curk' and we could just quietly giggle to ourselves amongst hundreds of crying scumbags. So that's what I did... entirely convincingly, and as the barman took the money and passed me the drinks he asked if I'd been the game, and I nodded, and he said 'urggh it were terrible weren't it' and something clicked and I couldn't help myself, I found myself laughing back 'no mate, it's the best fucking game I've ever been to'. Scrote looks at me as scores of eyes turned towards us, so I just grabbed him and marched out. We swilled our drinks on the way and legged it into the theatre foyer for a much safer glass of wine and a scone or something.

Anyways, the only time I've been back to that Lime Bar was this Saturday... so the moral of all of this it's a very lucky pub, and dead good for watching the match in if it's on before a show, as long as you can keep your stupid gob shut.
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That's where I always go when we go to Old Trafford for wither Rugby or Footy. Great Smoking terrace out the front with heaters, there is a KFC in the Lowry next door. And the bogs are boss in there too.
 
Yeah the massive green piss screen thing.

I seem to recall it was a bit of a dingy shithole five years ago, they've really done it up.
 
Woland said:
Yeah the massive green piss screen thing.

I seem to recall it was a bit of a dingy shithole five years ago, they've really done it up.
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Yeah its fucking mad when you've had a load of ale and other substances
 
Prioritising "a trophy", as if they were all worth the same, isn't a point of view I will ever agree with. LFC exists to win the big trophies (the league and Bigears) specifically, and the way to do that is to prioritise the league and build ourselves up into consistent title challengers. Prioritising the Europa League, a knockout competition for which it's far harder to plan ahead than it is for the league, is a very risky option which makes no sense to me. There are no guarantees in football, but IMHO we should play the percentages and prioritise the competition (a) in which we have the best chance of exerting a degree of control over our own destiny and (b) which will have the greatest long-term effect on our future progress. That means shooting for the highest league position we can get as Priority One.
 
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