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Match Thread Plymouth Argyle (A) FAC 3pm 9th Feb

Oh Bournemouth and Spurs were early season? Damn my memory must be getting really bad because I can't remember a single game after them !

My bad - I only read the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph.

The PSV game again doesn’t really count because the outcome had no impact at all.

Also, how do you think we’d have viewed the Spurs result if there’d been no second leg and we’d just lost a SF?

I get what you’re saying, but no other defeat this season has led us to directly exiting a competition - so comparisons aren’t like for like.

Again - if we win the next 2 games - then it’s all good.
 
This is the problem - just raises the temperature a little on the Everton game - and there’s zero chance they won’t now think if they get stuck in, they can get a result.
Why are you saying that, as if they wouldn't have come out and tried to kick lumps out of us, had we won 8-0 today, SteveO? You know flippin' that today's result has affected their strategy for Wednesday night not one jot (partially because it's possible that not one single player who started today will start that match).
 
A simple sorry would have been better…the fuck is he on about?

Elliott said: "I mean, the arguments could go on forever, to be honest. I was so close to him and I said to the referee, ‘Do you expect me to jump with my arms by my side? That’s just not a natural way of jumping.’ I was trying my hardest to block the ball and my arm was up there but it was about a metre away from the player shooting.

"But it’s football, it’s a kick in the teeth really. It’s not nice to lose this way and it’s not nice for it to be on you, as I gave away the penalty. So, unfortunately it’s just one of those things. I need to keep my head up and keep pushing on."

Did Rodgers coach him? He talks shite.
 
There'll be one Irish Aussie cunt happ

Sorry, not a nice thing to say. I drank all Momo's beer in a bar in Alicante watching this - poor excuse but it's all I have.
Not happy with the selection, the injury to Gomez or the performance. I’m glad we don’t have to juggle additional fixture congestion though won’t apologise about that.
 
Why are you saying that, as if they wouldn't have come out and tried to kick lumps out of us, had we won 8-0 today, SteveO? You know flippin' that today's result has affected their strategy for Wednesday night not one jot (partially because it's possible that not one single player who started today will start that match).

I’d didn’t say it would affect there strategy - I said it would give them encouragement that the strategy could be effective.
 
Jones and Gomez are 2 more players that need to be shown the door in the summer. What’s the point in them being here if they cant make themselves available for a game like today.
Gomez started and got injured, Jones was an unused sub, not really sure what you're point is here but it sounds way off.
 

Son had the least amount of touches against Villa yesterday, sometimes decent players just can't get involved because the set up or players around them just isn't working. It's not always about how much of the ball you have. I agree that Jota was shite yesterday, but so was everyone. Jota was the only player who turned a half chance into a near goal (with his volley near the end).

Yesterday is just a write off, I wouldn't read much into stats, because in the next game while surrounded by a more finetuned set up, many of those same players would perform. It was just an off day.
 
Gomez started and got injured, Jones was an unused sub, not really sure what you're point is here but it sounds way off.

Point is neither of them can get/stay on the pitch as has been the case for 5 years now, it’s hardly fucking rocket science Mark.
 
So disgraceful show and inept performance, we were out fought and out played all over the pitch, this is the wrong attitude to take to Everton vital game!!! I think Slot was to blame for his preparation for this game! We have many big games coming up, and I don't think our squad will cope with that, the squad is too weak to withstand such pressure! LFC owner never spent one £ in Jan transfer window!!!
 

Slot must take blame for shock upset

Arne Slot has been rightly praised this season but this embarrassing Liverpool defeat at Plymouth was undoubtedly the lowest point of his tenure so far. The inquest is under way, and while some will point to the disappointing performances of seasoned internationals and inexperienced young players, most of the blame must fall on Slot, particularly the Dutchman’s decision to put Darwin Núñez and a half-fit Curtis Jones as the only established names on Liverpool’s bench. Liverpool were rudderless and when Plymouth scored and the game went south for the Reds, Slot had no plan B. Resting players against a side bottom of the Championship before the Merseyside derby on Wednesday is understandable but there is no reason why at least a couple more senior players could not have added to the bench. Slot’s gamble massively backfired and hopes of a quadruple are gone.

I’m not embarrassed by the defeat. I’m annoyed and got over it pretty quickly.

I think part of that is I’ve seen half of our FA cup triumphs so fancy seeing more league and European wins. I can see the bigger picture and that includes our star players staying at home enjoying a roast dinner rather than playing Plymouth away.
 
Point is neither of them can get/stay on the pitch as has been the case for 5 years now, it’s hardly fucking rocket science Mark.
I don't get the "make themselves available" bit. Gomez was available and got injured. Explain yourself more clearly, it's not about whether it's rocket science, the wording you used didn't make sense.
 
Son had the least amount of touches against Villa yesterday, sometimes decent players just can't get involved because the set up or players around them just isn't working. It's not always about how much of the ball you have. I agree that Jota was shite yesterday, but so was everyone. Jota was the only player who turned a half chance into a near goal (with his volley near the end).

Yesterday is just a write off, I wouldn't read much into stats, because in the next game while surrounded by a more finetuned set up, many of those same players would perform. It was just an off day.
I’m not sure Son is the best example to use. He’s been awful all season and looks genuinely like he’s very much on the decline. Most Spurs fans I know are wanting him out of the side and bemoaning his complete lack of leadership as captain.
 
I’m not sure Son is the best example to use. He’s been awful all season and looks genuinely like he’s very much on the decline. Most Spurs fans I know are wanting him out of the side and bemoaning his complete lack of leadership as captain.
I'm sure from his point of view he's been through season upon season of the same shite with diminishing returns, so I'm not surprised he's at a low ebb this season. The point still stands really, if you're disjointed (as Spurs are) it can make good players perform badly. No matter how bad Son has performed this season, I bet he'd be performing tonnes better in this Liverpool side.
 
Plymouth were always likely to play a physical game, and not on the kind of carpet of a pitch we're used to. We didn't seem to have the ball under control all afternoon. That was probably partly due to the pitch, as much as the quality of the players on the field.
Slot didn't want key players getting injured, so he played fringe players.
Those players weren't strong enough for the fight, particularly in midfield once Endo had moved back to defence - we had two inexperienced kids and another player who is out of form because he hasn't been playing (or perhaps the other way around). I'm not ready to write Harvey off yet, but he's struggling at the moment.
I don't actually have a problem with the starting line-up, the issue I have is that the bench didn't have any players that could dig us out if needed. You either start strong, secure the game and rotate, or you start weak but have the cavalry on the bench if needed. That was the mistake Slot made for me. And he made it because he thought the regular first teamers would be better off having a complete rest. I get that.
After everything else he and this squad has given us this season, I can live with that. But I won't be happy if we don't beat Everton on Wednesday.
 
I'm sure from his point of view he's been through season upon season of the same shite with diminishing returns, so I'm not surprised he's at a low ebb this season. The point still stands really, if you're disjointed (as Spurs are) it can make good players perform badly. No matter how bad Son has performed this season, I bet he'd be performing tonnes better in this Liverpool side.
I'm not sure with Son. I get what you're saying and I think it's definitely part of it, but he also looks like his legs have gone to me (or perhaps he's carrying an injury). Similar situation to what we have with Robbo, but Spurs aren't able to rotate him and allow him proper recovery.
I also wonder whether he just had a special chemistry with Kane which made him look better than he was.
 
I'm not sure with Son. I get what you're saying and I think it's definitely part of it, but he also looks like his legs have gone to me (or perhaps he's carrying an injury). Similar situation to what we have with Robbo, but Spurs aren't able to rotate him and allow him proper recovery.
I also wonder whether he just had a special chemistry with Kane which made him look better than he was.

I think his legs have gone and with so many other injuries in the side, they can't replace him and opponents can key into him and Kulusevski.
 
Plymouth were always likely to play a physical game, and not on the kind of carpet of a pitch we're used to. We didn't seem to have the ball under control all afternoon. That was probably partly due to the pitch, as much as the quality of the players on the field.
Slot didn't want key players getting injured, so he played fringe players.
Those players weren't strong enough for the fight, particularly in midfield once Endo had moved back to defence - we had two inexperienced kids and another player who is out of form because he hasn't been playing (or perhaps the other way around). I'm not ready to write Harvey off yet, but he's struggling at the moment.
I don't actually have a problem with the starting line-up, the issue I have is that the bench didn't have any players that could dig us out if needed. You either start strong, secure the game and rotate, or you start weak but have the cavalry on the bench if needed. That was the mistake Slot made for me. And he made it because he thought the regular first teamers would be better off having a complete rest. I get that.
After everything else he and this squad has given us this season, I can live with that. But I won't be happy if we don't beat Everton on Wednesday.

Agreed. Beat Everton and everyone forgets about the FA Cup. Drop points and it feels like we dropped the FA Cup for nothing.
 
Agreed. Beat Everton and everyone forgets about the FA Cup. Drop points and it feels like we dropped the FA Cup for nothing.

Kinda agree, but I think I would assess the FA Cup rest after the 5 games we have in the next 15 days. We need to rest those players as majority of that starting XI for Everton will start each of the next 4 too.
 
I’d didn’t say it would affect there strategy - I said it would give them encouragement that the strategy could be effective.
They don't need encouragement... it's all they have, and they'll be doing it no matter what - Yesterday's result doesn't make Wednesday night any harder.
 
We were never going to win the quad.. Nobody who understands football even considered it a viable option. We've failed, when attempting it in the past. And better teams than us have never done it.

So, with that being said, we must assume that we'd lose out in at least one competition... All that matters is the league. The European Cup is always next on the list, and the two domestics are pleasant distractions if we progress, but they neither make nor break our season. They're so far beneath the other two competitions in terms of importance, they shouldn't even be discussed together.

That said, we're in the bloody final one one already, so we may as well win it now... This leaves just the FA Cup, and, if we all accept that we're not winning all four, then why the fuck does anybody care that we went out early this year, and saved ourselves even more fixture congestion, when we have far, FAR bigger fish to fry.

Have never been less arsed about losing a football match than this one.
 
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