barca dominated and pressed teams under rijkaard to say they didn't is doing him a disservice.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410642#msg1410642 date=1318261013]
barca dominated and pressed teams under rijkaard to say they didn't is doing him a disservice.
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Barca didn't 'dominate' like they've done under Pep. They've been phenomenal over the last three years - one of the best teams ever. Riijkard's wasn't.
barca dominated and pressed teams under rijkaard to say they didn't is doing him a disservice.
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Barca didn't 'dominate' like they've done under Pep. They've been phenomenal over the last three years - one of the best teams ever. Riijkard's wasn't.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410642#msg1410642 date=1318261013]
barca dominated and pressed teams under rijkaard to say they didn't is doing him a disservice.
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yup
tbh i think rijkaard could have done this with this barca side too. The coming of age of messi, iniesta, pedro, pique, the resurgence of xavi, abidal, puyol, and the massive outlay on cesc, sanchez, villa, etc
obviously barca are quality and pep has ability, but if we look at tactics for barca...well...there isn't much. It's closing down the opposition and hitting them on the break. The movement is the sole reason that this barca team is relatively unplayable
barca dominated and pressed teams under rijkaard to say they didn't is doing him a disservice.
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yup
tbh i think rijkaard could have done this with this barca side too. The coming of age of messi, iniesta, pedro, pique, the resurgence of xavi, abidal, puyol, and the massive outlay on cesc, sanchez, villa, etc
obviously barca are quality and pep has ability, but if we look at tactics for barca...well...there isn't much. It's closing down the opposition and hitting them on the break. The movement is the sole reason that this barca team is relatively unplayable
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410642#msg1410642 date=1318261013]
barca dominated and pressed teams under rijkaard to say they didn't is doing him a disservice.
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Barca didn't 'dominate' like they've done under Pep. They've been phenomenal over the last three years - one of the best teams ever. Riijkard's wasn't.
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barca absolutely dominanted teams often putting 3 past them, just because this new team is on another level doesn't (or rather shouldn't) take the shine off rijkaard's team. 2 la liga's and 1 european cup in 5 years two of twice were spent overhauling the team.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410642#msg1410642 date=1318261013]
barca dominated and pressed teams under rijkaard to say they didn't is doing him a disservice.
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Barca didn't 'dominate' like they've done under Pep. They've been phenomenal over the last three years - one of the best teams ever. Riijkard's wasn't.
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barca absolutely dominanted teams often putting 3 past them, just because this new team is on another level doesn't (or rather shouldn't) take the shine off rijkaard's team. 2 la liga's and 1 european cup in 5 years two of twice were spent overhauling the team.
May be trival, but in his debut and only season with Barcelona B, he earned promotion to Segunda B, having been relegated the previous season under previous regime (kinda like League Two to League One promotion). Since he left to join Barcelona at the end of that 07/08 season, the B team has gone on to finish 5th and 2nd before winning promotion to the Segunda Division and finish 3rd.
The notable names from that squad are Pedro (20yo then), Thiago (16), Busquets (19) and Jeffrén (19).
Frank Rijkaard
Points per match 1.97
Goals avg: Conceded avg 1.85:0.90
Pep Guardiola
Points per match 2.35
Goals avg: Conceded avg 2.50:0.74
The notable names from that squad are Pedro (20yo then), Thiago (16), Busquets (19) and Jeffrén (19).
Frank Rijkaard
Points per match 1.97
Goals avg: Conceded avg 1.85:0.90
Pep Guardiola
Points per match 2.35
Goals avg: Conceded avg 2.50:0.74
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410642#msg1410642 date=1318261013]
barca dominated and pressed teams under rijkaard to say they didn't is doing him a disservice.
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Barca didn't 'dominate' like they've done under Pep. They've been phenomenal over the last three years - one of the best teams ever. Riijkard's wasn't.
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barca absolutely dominanted teams often putting 3 past them, just because this new team is on another level doesn't (or rather shouldn't) take the shine off rijkaard's team. 2 la liga's and 1 european cup in 5 years two of twice were spent overhauling the team.
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They were the best team in La Liga, which usually gives you many 3-0. This Barca team is winning 5/6/7/8-0 every few weeks for the last 3 years ... There's a gulf in class here - This is the best Barca team ever.
Fabio - Riijkard had this guy on the bench. Pep took him to the next level as a player. A lot of credit needs to go to Pep.
I don't remember Messi every being 'average' - but again, his stats under Pep are just out of this world. Compared to how he looks with the Argies (granted, his head coaches there are terrible and no Dani Alves on his flank), I think Pep again deserves credit. Did we even know who Pedro was before Pep started playing him regularly? Pique is a tough one. Ryan argues he isn't a great defender, the system makes him great. I don't think anyone can debate this as we've not seen him enough out of the system, but Slur let him go for relatively cheap and he's won everything on every level within 3 years. Iniesta - I don't remember how good he was with during Riijkard, so I'll pass on him! 🙂
All signed after the 1st season, where I think their only outlay was Eto'o.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410642#msg1410642 date=1318261013]
barca dominated and pressed teams under rijkaard to say they didn't is doing him a disservice.
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Barca didn't 'dominate' like they've done under Pep. They've been phenomenal over the last three years - one of the best teams ever. Riijkard's wasn't.
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barca absolutely dominanted teams often putting 3 past them, just because this new team is on another level doesn't (or rather shouldn't) take the shine off rijkaard's team. 2 la liga's and 1 european cup in 5 years two of twice were spent overhauling the team.
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They were the best team in La Liga, which usually gives you many 3-0. This Barca team is winning 5/6/7/8-0 every few weeks for the last 3 years ... There's a gulf in class here - This is the best Barca team ever.
Fabio - Riijkard had this guy on the bench. Pep took him to the next level as a player. A lot of credit needs to go to Pep.
I don't remember Messi every being 'average' - but again, his stats under Pep are just out of this world. Compared to how he looks with the Argies (granted, his head coaches there are terrible and no Dani Alves on his flank), I think Pep again deserves credit. Did we even know who Pedro was before Pep started playing him regularly? Pique is a tough one. Ryan argues he isn't a great defender, the system makes him great. I don't think anyone can debate this as we've not seen him enough out of the system, but Slur let him go for relatively cheap and he's won everything on every level within 3 years. Iniesta - I don't remember how good he was with during Riijkard, so I'll pass on him! 🙂
All signed after the 1st season, where I think their only outlay was Eto'o.
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47140.msg1410664#msg1410664 date=1318263164]
May be trival, but in his debut and only season with Barcelona B, he earned promotion to Segunda B, having been relegated the previous season under previous regime (kinda like League Two to League One promotion). Since he left to join Barcelona at the end of that 07/08 season, the B team has gone on to finish 5th and 2nd before winning promotion to the Segunda Division and finish 3rd.
The notable names from that squad are Pedro (20yo then), Thiago (16), Busquets (19) and Jeffrén (19).
Frank Rijkaard
Points per match 1.97
Goals avg: Conceded avg 1.85:0.90
Pep Guardiola
Points per match 2.35
Goals avg: Conceded avg 2.50:0.74
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Thanks Binny for the stats.
So according to the stats, Guardiola maximize his attack by scoring more goals and not worrying on conceding goals as more goals scored win you games. Common sense.
May be trival, but in his debut and only season with Barcelona B, he earned promotion to Segunda B, having been relegated the previous season under previous regime (kinda like League Two to League One promotion). Since he left to join Barcelona at the end of that 07/08 season, the B team has gone on to finish 5th and 2nd before winning promotion to the Segunda Division and finish 3rd.
The notable names from that squad are Pedro (20yo then), Thiago (16), Busquets (19) and Jeffrén (19).
Frank Rijkaard
Points per match 1.97
Goals avg: Conceded avg 1.85:0.90
Pep Guardiola
Points per match 2.35
Goals avg: Conceded avg 2.50:0.74
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Thanks Binny for the stats.
So according to the stats, Guardiola maximize his attack by scoring more goals and not worrying on conceding goals as more goals scored win you games. Common sense.
You have to wonder why xavi was on the bench under rijkaard though? was it poor performances or something else? Pep got the best out of him, hard to argue with
As for messi....well, it's hard to expect a 20 yr old to be amazing. As he's got older his game has developed with help from some of the worlds greatest so rijkaard might have got just as much out of him a couple of years later
Pedro was in barcelona B so Pep knew all about him and gave him a fair crack.
Iniesta was full of promise under frank and was blooded gradually. Now he's kicked on to the next level like messi
As for the money spent by barca....zlatan, chgrynskiy, sanchez, villa, mascherano, fabregas
Now i know most of them don't make the starting line up consistently, but he added a lot of depth for a lot of money. Some of which have since moved on. I think at the moment pep is reaping the benefit of a golden generation like slur did in the 90s. Its too early for me personally to say if pep is a great manager, but its definitely not too early for me to say that barca are the best team i've ever seen
As for messi....well, it's hard to expect a 20 yr old to be amazing. As he's got older his game has developed with help from some of the worlds greatest so rijkaard might have got just as much out of him a couple of years later
Pedro was in barcelona B so Pep knew all about him and gave him a fair crack.
Iniesta was full of promise under frank and was blooded gradually. Now he's kicked on to the next level like messi
As for the money spent by barca....zlatan, chgrynskiy, sanchez, villa, mascherano, fabregas
Now i know most of them don't make the starting line up consistently, but he added a lot of depth for a lot of money. Some of which have since moved on. I think at the moment pep is reaping the benefit of a golden generation like slur did in the 90s. Its too early for me personally to say if pep is a great manager, but its definitely not too early for me to say that barca are the best team i've ever seen
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[quote author=Binny link=topic=47140.msg1410664#msg1410664 date=1318263164]
May be trival, but in his debut and only season with Barcelona B, he earned promotion to Segunda B, having been relegated the previous season under previous regime (kinda like League Two to League One promotion). Since he left to join Barcelona at the end of that 07/08 season, the B team has gone on to finish 5th and 2nd before winning promotion to the Segunda Division and finish 3rd.
The notable names from that squad are Pedro (20yo then), Thiago (16), Busquets (19) and Jeffrén (19).
Frank Rijkaard
Points per match 1.97
Goals avg: Conceded avg 1.85:0.90
Pep Guardiola
Points per match 2.35
Goals avg: Conceded avg 2.50:0.74
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Thanks Binny for the stats.
So according to the stats, Guardiola maximize his attack by scoring more goals and not worrying on conceding goals as more goals scored win you games. Common sense.
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Indeed. :laugh:
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47140.msg1410664#msg1410664 date=1318263164]
May be trival, but in his debut and only season with Barcelona B, he earned promotion to Segunda B, having been relegated the previous season under previous regime (kinda like League Two to League One promotion). Since he left to join Barcelona at the end of that 07/08 season, the B team has gone on to finish 5th and 2nd before winning promotion to the Segunda Division and finish 3rd.
The notable names from that squad are Pedro (20yo then), Thiago (16), Busquets (19) and Jeffrén (19).
Frank Rijkaard
Points per match 1.97
Goals avg: Conceded avg 1.85:0.90
Pep Guardiola
Points per match 2.35
Goals avg: Conceded avg 2.50:0.74
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Thanks Binny for the stats.
So according to the stats, Guardiola maximize his attack by scoring more goals and not worrying on conceding goals as more goals scored win you games. Common sense.
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Indeed. :laugh:
Yes Frank made Barca a very good side, but Pepe has made them an amaing side. My mouth is watering just reading these words that people are saying about them, never mind watching them.
As for Maureen, I think what he has done with Porto and Inter shows he can get great seasons out of teams that previously did not hit those levels.
As for Maureen, I think what he has done with Porto and Inter shows he can get great seasons out of teams that previously did not hit those levels.
I think Rijkaard, Ten Cate and Txiki transformed Barcelona and laid the foundations for Guardiola.
And that's underplaying it really, isn't it?
Two league titles, a CL win and in my opinion more flair in their attacking play (largely due to Ronaldinho who was out of this world and just an absolute joy to watch).
Ten Cate left, Ronaldinho got fat, mad Eto'o got mad, Deco was coming to the end of his time at the top level and the dressing room started to fall apart. They lost out on a couple league titles as a result. In 05/06 I think it went down to the last weekend - they really threw the title away that season.
Guardiola came in and basically restored order. He made them more organised and even more hardworking (people forget that the pressing game was already there). A little bit of that flair was lost but they became a machine.
And that's underplaying it really, isn't it?
Two league titles, a CL win and in my opinion more flair in their attacking play (largely due to Ronaldinho who was out of this world and just an absolute joy to watch).
Ten Cate left, Ronaldinho got fat, mad Eto'o got mad, Deco was coming to the end of his time at the top level and the dressing room started to fall apart. They lost out on a couple league titles as a result. In 05/06 I think it went down to the last weekend - they really threw the title away that season.
Guardiola came in and basically restored order. He made them more organised and even more hardworking (people forget that the pressing game was already there). A little bit of that flair was lost but they became a machine.
He's got a very good group of players with a few exceptionals ones playing the best football anyone has ever seen.
It will be interesting to see if he can rebuild the team if he stays when the likes of Xavi Messi etc retire.
It's horrible to say it but its what maked Ferguson so great.
He's built what now 4 teams?
It will be interesting to see if he can rebuild the team if he stays when the likes of Xavi Messi etc retire.
It's horrible to say it but its what maked Ferguson so great.
He's built what now 4 teams?
Don't depress me anymore.
We haven't had a manager who could build one title winning side in over 20 years 🙁
We haven't had a manager who could build one title winning side in over 20 years 🙁
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He's got a very good group of players with a few exceptionals ones playing the best football anyone has ever seen.
It will be interesting to see if he can rebuild the team if he stays when the likes of Xavi Messi etc retire.
It's horrible to say it but its what maked Ferguson so great.
He's built what now 4 teams?
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He's got a very good group of players with a few exceptionals ones playing the best football anyone has ever seen.
It will be interesting to see if he can rebuild the team if he stays when the likes of Xavi Messi etc retire.
It's horrible to say it but its what maked Ferguson so great.
He's built what now 4 teams?
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While its pretty obvious that Guardiola has been given a huge advantage with the players at his disposal anybody who doesnt think Barca have changed their style dramatically under his management isn't watching very closely. The most obvious attributes of his style are the furiously high tempo pressing game that he has instigated and the total domination of possession. Rijkard had the basic spine of the same team but his style was a little too Dutch, the difference was he indulged players like Ronaldinho and Deco so that they didnt have to do any hard graft, this would never work in Guardiolas system because a full court press, to use the basketball term for this type of defence relies on every single player doing a job defensively. This is a very difficult system to implement it requires a lot of discipline and fitness, but on its own it isnt enough, the reason it works so well for Peps Barca is because they keep moving the ball and going through phases like a Rugby team knowing that keeping possession is far less tiring than chasing it.
The third important feature of Peps style is the ball playing defenders, in the Premiership a defender who likes to carry the ball out from defence is a rarity, and in some cases seen as a luxury, in Guardiolas system its vital, as is a goalkeeper who is comfortable with the ball at his feet. People often remark on how small the Barcelona team are physically and that this must be an obvious weakness that can be exploited, and yet that never seems to be the case, the reason for this is they never resort to knocking it long, they dont get involved in an aerial contest because they know that they cant win, instead they will happily pass the ball out from the back because to a team where every member of the back 5 is comfortable on the ball then knocking it long is a far bigger risk than passing it around the edge of your own box.
It has also been noted that Guardiola trains his team to peak physically in stages, once just before the Christmas break and again towards the tail end of the season when the big knockout ties are played in Europe, the big advantage they have here is that by being so dominant in possession they conserve alot of energy and when march/april rolls around their opponents are fresher and they go into another gear as most teams are starting to tire physically.
While its far too early in his career to know where Guardiola sits in terms of greatness i think its already obvious he will go down as one of the best of this era, Id be surprised if he doesnt win at least one more European cup with this Barca side, that would put him on 3, and thats very exclusive company no matter what way you look at it. The real challenge for him will not be replacing Xavi or Iniesta, I think a year or two from now Fabregas and Thiago will have taken those roles, the real challenge will be what happens when somebody finds a way to consistently beat his current tiki taka system. Can he go back to the drawing board and develop a new style, for me thats Fergusons greatest skill, sure he has built 4/5 different title winning sides but for the vast majority of those he has either the most or second most money available to him, whats been more impressive is how each team has varied in style as the game has changed and opponents had figured out how to beat them. Even now you can see the current Utd team is being built as an English version of Peps Barca with Jones brought in to carry the ball forward like Pique and Anderson dropping deep to be the fulcrum like Busquets, hes even signed a young Spanish keeper for the purpose of distributing the ball better from the back.
Can Guardiola do the same, can he stay one step ahead as the imitators get closer? to me thats what the failed Zlatan experiment was about, he wants the team to evolve, adding a blistering winger like Sanchez may be the catalyst, who knows but it will certainly be alot of funny finding out
The third important feature of Peps style is the ball playing defenders, in the Premiership a defender who likes to carry the ball out from defence is a rarity, and in some cases seen as a luxury, in Guardiolas system its vital, as is a goalkeeper who is comfortable with the ball at his feet. People often remark on how small the Barcelona team are physically and that this must be an obvious weakness that can be exploited, and yet that never seems to be the case, the reason for this is they never resort to knocking it long, they dont get involved in an aerial contest because they know that they cant win, instead they will happily pass the ball out from the back because to a team where every member of the back 5 is comfortable on the ball then knocking it long is a far bigger risk than passing it around the edge of your own box.
It has also been noted that Guardiola trains his team to peak physically in stages, once just before the Christmas break and again towards the tail end of the season when the big knockout ties are played in Europe, the big advantage they have here is that by being so dominant in possession they conserve alot of energy and when march/april rolls around their opponents are fresher and they go into another gear as most teams are starting to tire physically.
While its far too early in his career to know where Guardiola sits in terms of greatness i think its already obvious he will go down as one of the best of this era, Id be surprised if he doesnt win at least one more European cup with this Barca side, that would put him on 3, and thats very exclusive company no matter what way you look at it. The real challenge for him will not be replacing Xavi or Iniesta, I think a year or two from now Fabregas and Thiago will have taken those roles, the real challenge will be what happens when somebody finds a way to consistently beat his current tiki taka system. Can he go back to the drawing board and develop a new style, for me thats Fergusons greatest skill, sure he has built 4/5 different title winning sides but for the vast majority of those he has either the most or second most money available to him, whats been more impressive is how each team has varied in style as the game has changed and opponents had figured out how to beat them. Even now you can see the current Utd team is being built as an English version of Peps Barca with Jones brought in to carry the ball forward like Pique and Anderson dropping deep to be the fulcrum like Busquets, hes even signed a young Spanish keeper for the purpose of distributing the ball better from the back.
Can Guardiola do the same, can he stay one step ahead as the imitators get closer? to me thats what the failed Zlatan experiment was about, he wants the team to evolve, adding a blistering winger like Sanchez may be the catalyst, who knows but it will certainly be alot of funny finding out
Bloody good post.
Good read RedStar, nice one.
great post, redstar
nicely put redstar.
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[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=47140.msg1410622#msg1410622 date=1318259027]
They chase and search for the ball like no other team I've ever seen...... ever. [/quote]
Excellent point -
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=47140.msg1410622#msg1410622 date=1318259027]Guardiola deserves praise for the defensive side of it IMO but I don't think he's had as much to do with the attack side as some would make out. Very good but not great and he'd have to spend bucket loads or be given a number of years to build a successful team elsewhere.
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1) Under his development, Iniesta, Xavi, Pedro, Busquets etc have blossomed. Most of these players were not in Riijkard's plans at all (I don't mean Pedro obviously).
2) I don't remember Barca ever being this dominating on the attacking side - he's instilled this, and it's worked to perfection.
Agree with all your other points but I think one of the reasons they've stepped up in terms of attack and gone to another level is that they win so much possession due to their defense. I remember Crespo commenting in an interview that when he played Barca it was "an absolute nightmare. They seemed to come at us from everywhere - nowhere was safe."
3) I don't think we'll ever know how good he is until he goes to another club. It's the same thing with Mourinho, but he always goes to teams with money/top position, so it's hard to tell too.
4) Do you even remember Barca before Pep? I don't ... I don't remember them being this above the opposition, nor do I remember Madrid when they had their glacticos. I mean, they've embarassed Real, Manure, whoever. A lot of credit must go to the man who moulded this team.
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[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=47140.msg1410622#msg1410622 date=1318259027]
They chase and search for the ball like no other team I've ever seen...... ever. [/quote]
Excellent point -
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=47140.msg1410622#msg1410622 date=1318259027]Guardiola deserves praise for the defensive side of it IMO but I don't think he's had as much to do with the attack side as some would make out. Very good but not great and he'd have to spend bucket loads or be given a number of years to build a successful team elsewhere.
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1) Under his development, Iniesta, Xavi, Pedro, Busquets etc have blossomed. Most of these players were not in Riijkard's plans at all (I don't mean Pedro obviously).
2) I don't remember Barca ever being this dominating on the attacking side - he's instilled this, and it's worked to perfection.
Agree with all your other points but I think one of the reasons they've stepped up in terms of attack and gone to another level is that they win so much possession due to their defense. I remember Crespo commenting in an interview that when he played Barca it was "an absolute nightmare. They seemed to come at us from everywhere - nowhere was safe."
3) I don't think we'll ever know how good he is until he goes to another club. It's the same thing with Mourinho, but he always goes to teams with money/top position, so it's hard to tell too.
4) Do you even remember Barca before Pep? I don't ... I don't remember them being this above the opposition, nor do I remember Madrid when they had their glacticos. I mean, they've embarassed Real, Manure, whoever. A lot of credit must go to the man who moulded this team.
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so is pep's barca the best team ever?
get a giant super computer, feed in all the stats of ever club side ever and simulate the greatest match ups ever.
barca '11 v di stefano's real madrid
barca '11 v ruud gullit's ajax
barca '11 v ruud gullit's milan
barca '11 v kenny's liverpool (early 80's)
barca '11 v pelé's brazil
get a giant super computer, feed in all the stats of ever club side ever and simulate the greatest match ups ever.
barca '11 v di stefano's real madrid
barca '11 v ruud gullit's ajax
barca '11 v ruud gullit's milan
barca '11 v kenny's liverpool (early 80's)
barca '11 v pelé's brazil
Ruud Guillt's Ajax over Ruud Guillt's Milan (w/Van Basten, Riijark, Baresi, Tassotti, Malidin etc)?!??!?
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Ruud Guillt's Ajax over Ruud Guillt's Milan (w/Van Basten, Riijark, Baresi, Tassotti, Malidin etc)?!??!?
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fixed 😉
Ruud Guillt's Ajax over Ruud Guillt's Milan (w/Van Basten, Riijark, Baresi, Tassotti, Malidin etc)?!??!?
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fixed 😉
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410856#msg1410856 date=1318323584]
so is pep's barca the best team ever?
get a giant super computer, feed in all the stats of ever club side ever and simulate the greatest match ups ever.
barca '11 v di stefano's real madrid
barca '11 v ruud gullit's ajax
barca '11 v ruud gullit's milan
barca '11 v kenny's liverpool (early 80's)
barca '11 v pelé's brazil
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Our best team was the late '80s IMO. '86 to '88 we looked almost unplayable when on song.
While not very easy to stomach as a Liverpool supporter, not having one of the manc teams of the last two decades (particularly that treble winning side) or that unbeaten Arsenal team seems a little biased. I guess Arsenal didn't really sustain it for long enough but the mancs certainly have.
so is pep's barca the best team ever?
get a giant super computer, feed in all the stats of ever club side ever and simulate the greatest match ups ever.
barca '11 v di stefano's real madrid
barca '11 v ruud gullit's ajax
barca '11 v ruud gullit's milan
barca '11 v kenny's liverpool (early 80's)
barca '11 v pelé's brazil
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Our best team was the late '80s IMO. '86 to '88 we looked almost unplayable when on song.
While not very easy to stomach as a Liverpool supporter, not having one of the manc teams of the last two decades (particularly that treble winning side) or that unbeaten Arsenal team seems a little biased. I guess Arsenal didn't really sustain it for long enough but the mancs certainly have.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410856#msg1410856 date=1318323584]
so is pep's barca the best team ever?
get a giant super computer, feed in all the stats of ever club side ever and simulate the greatest match ups ever.
barca '11 v di stefano's real madrid
barca '11 v ruud gullit's ajax
barca '11 v ruud gullit's milan
barca '11 v kenny's liverpool (early 80's)
barca '11 v pelé's brazil
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Our best team was the late '80s IMO. '86 to '88 we looked almost unplayable when on song.
While not very easy to stomach as a Liverpool supporter, not having one of the manc teams of the last two decades (particularly that treble winning side) or that unbeaten Arsenal team seems a little biased. I guess Arsenal didn't really sustain it for long enough but the mancs certainly have.
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john barnes' liverpool (late 80's)
our strength was barnes at left midfield and our strikeforce of aldo and beardo vs pep's barca I think we'd be dominated in midfield therefore the people to do damage for us wouldn't get the ball for long periods.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410856#msg1410856 date=1318323584]
so is pep's barca the best team ever?
get a giant super computer, feed in all the stats of ever club side ever and simulate the greatest match ups ever.
barca '11 v di stefano's real madrid
barca '11 v ruud gullit's ajax
barca '11 v ruud gullit's milan
barca '11 v kenny's liverpool (early 80's)
barca '11 v pelé's brazil
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Our best team was the late '80s IMO. '86 to '88 we looked almost unplayable when on song.
While not very easy to stomach as a Liverpool supporter, not having one of the manc teams of the last two decades (particularly that treble winning side) or that unbeaten Arsenal team seems a little biased. I guess Arsenal didn't really sustain it for long enough but the mancs certainly have.
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john barnes' liverpool (late 80's)
our strength was barnes at left midfield and our strikeforce of aldo and beardo vs pep's barca I think we'd be dominated in midfield therefore the people to do damage for us wouldn't get the ball for long periods.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410856#msg1410856 date=1318323584]
so is pep's barca the best team ever?
get a giant super computer, feed in all the stats of ever club side ever and simulate the greatest match ups ever.
barca '11 v di stefano's real madrid
barca '11 v ruud gullit's ajax
barca '11 v ruud gullit's milan
barca '11 v kenny's liverpool (early 80's)
barca '11 v pelé's brazil
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When you say Pele's Brasil team which year was it?
As far as i'm concern, Brasil team in 1970 is the best ever team in football history and no team not even this current Barca team come close that.
so is pep's barca the best team ever?
get a giant super computer, feed in all the stats of ever club side ever and simulate the greatest match ups ever.
barca '11 v di stefano's real madrid
barca '11 v ruud gullit's ajax
barca '11 v ruud gullit's milan
barca '11 v kenny's liverpool (early 80's)
barca '11 v pelé's brazil
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When you say Pele's Brasil team which year was it?
As far as i'm concern, Brasil team in 1970 is the best ever team in football history and no team not even this current Barca team come close that.
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47140.msg1410769#msg1410769 date=1318282334]
He's got a very good group of players with a few exceptionals ones playing the best football anyone has ever seen.
It will be interesting to see if he can rebuild the team if he stays when the likes of Xavi Messi etc retire.
It's horrible to say it but its what maked Ferguson so great.
He's built what now 4 teams?
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Ha ha s is beside d on the keyboard 😉
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47140.msg1410769#msg1410769 date=1318282334]
He's got a very good group of players with a few exceptionals ones playing the best football anyone has ever seen.
It will be interesting to see if he can rebuild the team if he stays when the likes of Xavi Messi etc retire.
It's horrible to say it but its what maked Ferguson so great.
He's built what now 4 teams?
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Ha ha s is beside d on the keyboard 😉
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