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So what´s the verdict so far and how does the future look for him?

I´m not conviced and I think he gets too much praise in the media. I don´t think he´s smart tactically (a bit stupid even) and sometimes too lazy in his defensive work (instead of taking the extra steps back he just watches things happen).

Early days but at the moment I can´t see him beeing more than a, not a very good, back up. That said though he´s not very far off beeing a good footballer, I just get the feeling he won´t make it.
Hope I´m wrong.
 
I've been one of the less enthusiastic members of 6cm about Chamberlain (apart from Silver Sean, obviously).

I think he's improved while he's been here, certainly, and he also has aspects to his game that Can, Milner, Henderson and Wijnaldum don't have: he's quick and can attack with the ball at his feet, which causes problems for teams when he runs from central midfield.

That said, it's also obvious that he struggles to keep up a level of consistency, so he can look great in one game, and utterly dreadful in another.

I'm not sure he'll ever be good enough, because you can't have that sort of unreliability in a starting midfielder, unless they also contribute 10 goals a season or more. Which he won't. As you say, he's also not that bright in possession, which is a problem in a centtral AM player.

I'm not sure, is what I'm trying to say.
 
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I'm enjoying his contribution. I don't think he's lazy in defence and I don't think he's tactically stupid.
 
He's improved in 6 months under klopp, I've no doubt he'll improve more over time.

He just needs to get more comfortable in the position.
 
He's learning a new role, a new style of play. Don't forget, even the great Ray Kennedy took a while to move from forward to midfield, it rarely is a rapid and smooth transition. Chamberlain needs to un-learn some of the bad habits he acquired at Arsenal, learn Klopp's style, improve his pressing game, improve his attacking game, etc etc. How far he'll progress is impossible to judge in the here and now, but it's been encouraging to see him at least start to improve. Next season will be the big test for him.
 
gkmacca said:
He's learning a new role, a new style of play. Don't forget, even the great Ray Kennedy took a while to move from forward to midfield, it rarely is a rapid and smooth transition. Chamberlain needs to un-learn some of the bad habits he acquired at Arsenal, learn Klopp's style, improve his pressing game, improve his attacking game, etc etc. How far he'll progress is impossible to judge in the here and now, but it's been encouraging to see him at least start to improve. Next season will be the big test for him.
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Yeah, I think this and Brendan's post sum it up. The big question is how much of a ceiling of ability he has, and if he hasn't realised it yet, is it a concern that he never will? He might be a late bloomer and he still seems to have alot of raw ability that Klopp has gone some way to coaxing out of him.

So yeah, as said, next year is the big season for him.
 
I think he's been good and has been improving since he arrived. As Macca says he's adapting to a new style, tactic and position.
Think he'll continue to improve and be an important player for us in the future.

I dont agree about being lazy. He has shown tremendous work rate and focus on the defensive side of his game. Very energetic and willing, but he also has issues with consistency and disappearing in some games. That will be his biggest hurdle to overcome if he's to be successful.
He's got the ability, tools to work with and attitude.
 
I like him and am convinced he will improve dramatically during his time here. He’s already has started his progression and is starting to contribute to our attacking play. He's got the basic talent to be a very good player and the right attitude and environment around him to make reach the level he should. Consistently is the big issue with Chamberlain but I think that's a big ask having have to adapt to Klopps style and a new position within 6 months. The signs are encouraging for now at least.

The £35m still bothers me a bit. I still think it was a £20-25m at best given his contract situation and the fact he is nowhere near the finished article.
 
As others have noted it's the consistency that needs improvement. At his worst he's exactly what I feared when we first showed interest - another non entity without a defined position. But he's surprised me in showing drive, power and an ability to link with our forwards. Just needs to do it more often if he wants ever to be a regular starter .
 
In my opinion...

He has the potential to be a lot better than Winnie, as he takes risks and is lot more decisive in the final 3rd.

But on the other hand, he also has the potential to be a lot worse than Winnie. As he can lose the ball with some brain fart moments.

Next season will show which way he will go. I think it'll be somewhat of a crossroads for him and his career, with Naby coming in and basically being a guaranteed starter.
 
Oncy said:
He has shit hair
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I think it's called a 'McDonalds Cut' - Basically yeah it's shit.

As for him footy wise - I like the lad. Seems hard working and talented. Young and will only get better.
 
He's still only 24. Amazing really, he's been around for so long you'd be forgiven for thinking he was in his late twenties by now. Plenty of time still to develop.
 
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He's still only 24. Amazing really, he's been around for so long you'd be forgiven for thinking he was in his late twenties by now. Plenty of time still to develop.
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Exactly.

It's mad he's so young to be honest.
 
Young, doesn't seem like an utter cunt, hasn't had the injury concerns that had previously plagued him, good attitude, decent skill & ability range, capable of filling in various positions...

Consistency is an issue - and sometimes he gives the impression of lacking real drive and focus... but so far, he's been a decent addition to the squad.
 
hmmmmm1 said:
Decent start, needs to be more consistent. I still prefer lallana over him
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Yes, but there's no reason they can't strike up an understanding on the pitch, and also Lallana is pushing 30, so if Chamberlain does progress there could be a good transition from one to the other in the team.
 
I thought he was a bit of a luxury signing in the summer and as someone else said, the price grated given the circumstances.

The idea that he'll mature into a core first team player requires a leap of faith at this moment in time but that's not a must. If he improves his consistency, he should be a good squad option, which is fine. If we get a good 5 years or so out of him, you'd have to say it's money well spent.
 
Ossi said:
So what´s the verdict so far and how does the future look for him?

I´m not conviced and I think he gets too much praise in the media. I don´t think he´s smart tactically (a bit stupid even) and sometimes too lazy in his defensive work (instead of taking the extra steps back he just watches things happen).

Early days but at the moment I can´t see him beeing more than a, not a very good, back up. That said though he´s not very far off beeing a good footballer, I just get the feeling he won´t make it.
Hope I´m wrong.
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Depends how you judge it. Is he robotic brilliance blasting through from midfield to score like Stevie G? No...

Is he Alonso-esque in his ball retention and passing? No...

Is he tenacious and shuts down the opposition midfield like Masher? No...

Is he quick with a good engine and doesn't shirk responsibility and has good technique and passing and can fire a shot off and put in good passes and tackle players and reads the game well? Yes.

I think he is good, I'm pleased we've got him, will he become a legend? Don't know...
 
hmmmmm1 said:
Decent start, needs to be more consistent. I still prefer lallana over him
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I think opponents have figured out Lallana. He is not quick, they just need to keep him in check from a distance instead of diving in and all his fancy twists and turns get nullified. He had been ineffective in the cameos he has got since he returned.

Looking at the kind of players Klopp got in since; quick, fast, direct and powerful players, I think Lallana should be worried for his future.
 
Hes a tough one to judge really, even leaving aside the fee because a player has zero control over that. While its fair to point out that hes learning a new system it really didnt take that long for Mane, Salah, Roberston or VVD to adapt to Klopps style. And hes not that young anymore either, 24 is not a prospect, particularly for a guy playing premier league football for the last 6 years.

I just dont see how he fits in the long term, his best assets are his pace and power running, but those qualities seem better suited to a wide forward or a winger but he isnt going to get a look in for those positions. In a midfield 3 hes neither defensively sound enough or clever enough in posession as it stands.

That said hes got a great attitude and hes been better than I expected but his limitations are not going away. Klopp has a fondness for players who can play at breakneck speed and so he may yet have a plan for Ox but as of now I cant really see what it is. Im not sure he will ever be a regular first team player, certainly not if a player like Jorgino is added along with Keita.
 
KopRed said:
Looking at the kind of players Klopp got in since; quick, fast, direct and powerful players, I think Lallana should be worried for his future.
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I tend to agree with this, Klopp seems to be intent on building a team that will play a high defensive line, press high up the pitch and move the ball rapidly on the counter.

The only positive in that for Lallana is hes one of our most effective pressers in the opposition half, and that ability to turn the ball over high up the pitch is key to Klopps plans. But hes arguably the slowest attacking player in the side, if we sign a Lemar/Mahrez type player then Id say hes probably on his way out.
 
RedStar said:
I just dont see how he fits in the long term, his best assets are his pace and power running, but those qualities seem better suited to a wide forward or a winger but he isnt going to get a look in for those positions. In a midfield 3 hes neither defensively sound enough or clever enough in posession as it stands
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Actually Klopp seems to continually experiment with putting a player with pace and powerful running in the #10 position, there is some tactical idea there, but I'm not sure he found a perfect player to execute it yet. Ox has done pretty well in that role lately and the latest experiment is Mane, who has now played pretty much as #10 in the last 2 games. When you think of a traditional #10, you would imagine someone like David Silva – not blessed with great pace, but perfect pass and vision. Klopp seems to be looking for something different and so far this season Ox has been the closest thing to an answer.
 
rurikbird said:
Actually Klopp seems to continually experiment with putting a player with pace and powerful running in the #10 position, there is some tactical idea there, but I'm not sure he found a perfect player to execute it yet. Ox has done pretty well in that role lately and the latest experiment is Mane, who has now played pretty much as #10 in the last 2 games. When you think of a traditional #10, you would imagine someone like David Silva – not blessed with great pace, but perfect pass and vision. Klopp seems to be looking for something different and so far this season Ox has been the closest thing to an answer.
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Preparing the team for keita?
 
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