If we are serious about challenging this year we cannot have Dirk Kuyt as our starting right mid, we don't need a right winger who gets on the teamsheet because he runs around alot. Unfortunately our beloved deadly dirk doesn't have the pace, skill or ability to take on the defender to play at right mid but somehow he's there. With the young kelly coming through we should give Johnson a go on the right if we don't sign anyone else.
Our starting right mid this year?
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Thanks for the welcome, I have been a member for a while but haven't posted. Dirk has come up with a few important goals for us but the amount of times he loses the ball, miss controls a simple pass, breaks down our attacks and fast breaks far out weighs the few important goals he does score. Also I think any attacker who plays 50 games a season for a team like Liverpool will get his fair share of tap in goals or goals off the shinpad like dirk does.
Dirk is good enough to play in the Dutch first team. A side that nearly won WC last year and full of quality attacking talent that many clubs (including us) would love to have. Yet, Dirk is still in their first eleven. That should tell you something. Btw, welcome to the site.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46202.msg1368738#msg1368738 date=1311409386]
Early call and all, but justicefloyd might not get my vote for newbie of the year in oncy's poll.
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fuck when is that? im gona have to start canvasing for votes, maybe send out pics of my cock with googly eyes stuck on
everyone likes googly eyes, right?
Early call and all, but justicefloyd might not get my vote for newbie of the year in oncy's poll.
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fuck when is that? im gona have to start canvasing for votes, maybe send out pics of my cock with googly eyes stuck on
everyone likes googly eyes, right?
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46202.msg1368738#msg1368738 date=1311409386]
Early call and all, but justicefloyd might not get my vote for newbie of the year in oncy's poll.
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fuck when is that? im gona have to start canvasing for votes, maybe send out pics of my cock with googly eyes stuck on
everyone likes googly eyes, right?
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It's at the end of the year mate.
Oh and on a side note, I think some of the sarcasm dripping from Ryan's original post just fell on my laptop. Hahaha.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46202.msg1368738#msg1368738 date=1311409386]
Early call and all, but justicefloyd might not get my vote for newbie of the year in oncy's poll.
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fuck when is that? im gona have to start canvasing for votes, maybe send out pics of my cock with googly eyes stuck on
everyone likes googly eyes, right?
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It's at the end of the year mate.
Oh and on a side note, I think some of the sarcasm dripping from Ryan's original post just fell on my laptop. Hahaha.
he's right about Kuyt tjough
In all likliehood it will probably be Henderson if we are playing a 4-4-2 and Kuyt would be wide right of a 3 man attack in a 4-3-3 Dirk has done well since kenny took over but mainly as a striker and if we are looking to play a slick passing game in midfield the Dirk is not going to fit into that system and Kenny will be aware of that. Dirks best work has always been up front, as a midfielder all he offers is tenacity and defensive cover
It will be henderson to start with. But I'm pretty sure within about 30 mins kenny will turn around to look at comolli and mouth the words "fuck you"
Then in the second half kuyt will have to take over again for the rest of the season.
Then in the second half kuyt will have to take over again for the rest of the season.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46202.msg1368771#msg1368771 date=1311414502]
And so it begins again..... I'd like to see Kuyt start up top with Suarez I think its a better partnership than Carrol. Carrol should be our Plan B. Under KK, Kuyt's first touch has vastly improved. Anyone else noticed that?[/quote]
Agree with this. I think our best lineup has Kuyt and Suarez up front. That leaves Gerrard as our best option on paper starting as an inside right (with width from the overlapping Kelly/Johnson).
Having said that, if we go with this (with Gerrard, Ming and Downing/Maxi/Cole behind Suarez and Kuyt), then I expect a lot of mobility and interchanging between the 3 attacking mids and the front 2, so much so that anyone could be playing out on the right at various points of the game when we're attacking.
Not sure we'll do this though... so I think Kuyt on the right to start is what we're going to see.
And so it begins again..... I'd like to see Kuyt start up top with Suarez I think its a better partnership than Carrol. Carrol should be our Plan B. Under KK, Kuyt's first touch has vastly improved. Anyone else noticed that?[/quote]
Agree with this. I think our best lineup has Kuyt and Suarez up front. That leaves Gerrard as our best option on paper starting as an inside right (with width from the overlapping Kelly/Johnson).
Having said that, if we go with this (with Gerrard, Ming and Downing/Maxi/Cole behind Suarez and Kuyt), then I expect a lot of mobility and interchanging between the 3 attacking mids and the front 2, so much so that anyone could be playing out on the right at various points of the game when we're attacking.
Not sure we'll do this though... so I think Kuyt on the right to start is what we're going to see.
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46202.msg1368771#msg1368771 date=1311414502]
And so it begins again..... I'd like to see Kuyt start up top with Suarez I think its a better partnership than Carrol. Carrol should be our Plan B. Under KK, Kuyt's first touch has vastly improved. Anyone else noticed that?[/quote]
Agree with this. I think our best lineup has Kuyt and Suarez up front. That leaves Gerrard as our best option on paper starting as an inside right (with width from the overlapping Kelly/Johnson).
Having said that, if we go with this (with Gerrard, Ming and Downing/Maxi/Cole behind Suarez and Kuyt), then I expect a lot of mobility and interchanging between the 3 attacking mids and the front 2, so much so that anyone could be playing out on the right at various points of the game when we're attacking.
Not sure we'll do this though... so I think Kuyt on the right to start is what we're going to see.
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I like that but I'd include Aqua in that either off the bench or in the starting line up. His passing and vision is top class.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46202.msg1368771#msg1368771 date=1311414502]
And so it begins again..... I'd like to see Kuyt start up top with Suarez I think its a better partnership than Carrol. Carrol should be our Plan B. Under KK, Kuyt's first touch has vastly improved. Anyone else noticed that?[/quote]
Agree with this. I think our best lineup has Kuyt and Suarez up front. That leaves Gerrard as our best option on paper starting as an inside right (with width from the overlapping Kelly/Johnson).
Having said that, if we go with this (with Gerrard, Ming and Downing/Maxi/Cole behind Suarez and Kuyt), then I expect a lot of mobility and interchanging between the 3 attacking mids and the front 2, so much so that anyone could be playing out on the right at various points of the game when we're attacking.
Not sure we'll do this though... so I think Kuyt on the right to start is what we're going to see.
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I like that but I'd include Aqua in that either off the bench or in the starting line up. His passing and vision is top class.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
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Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
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Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368798#msg1368798 date=1311417148]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
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Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
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We get it. You don't like Dirk Kuyt and hate close range tap ins, 'cos they don't count.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
[/quote]
Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
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We get it. You don't like Dirk Kuyt and hate close range tap ins, 'cos they don't count.
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368798#msg1368798 date=1311417148]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
[/quote]
Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
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Yeah, cos it's not like he's ever instrumental to some of our best attacking moves. Oh right yeah, for 8 games a season.
BOLLOCKS.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
[/quote]
Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
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Yeah, cos it's not like he's ever instrumental to some of our best attacking moves. Oh right yeah, for 8 games a season.
BOLLOCKS.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46202.msg1368800#msg1368800 date=1311417300]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368798#msg1368798 date=1311417148]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
[/quote]
Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
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We get it. You don't like Dirk Kuyt and hate close range tap ins, 'cos they don't count.
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Hahaha, I just think he's better playing up front and I dont think he should be our main man on the wings. It will be interesting to see Henderson out on the right.
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368798#msg1368798 date=1311417148]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
[/quote]
Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
[/quote]
We get it. You don't like Dirk Kuyt and hate close range tap ins, 'cos they don't count.
[/quote]
Hahaha, I just think he's better playing up front and I dont think he should be our main man on the wings. It will be interesting to see Henderson out on the right.
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368817#msg1368817 date=1311418951]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46202.msg1368800#msg1368800 date=1311417300]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368798#msg1368798 date=1311417148]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
[/quote]
Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
[/quote]
We get it. You don't like Dirk Kuyt and hate close range tap ins, 'cos they don't count.
[/quote]
Hahaha, I just think he's better playing up front and I dont think he should be our main man on the wings. It will be interesting to see Henderson out on the right.
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I actually agree with you there. I think the partnership between him and Suarez has been unexpected and I hope that KK rethinks the first choice strike partnership because they are almost telepathic in their understanding. I like how they look to play 1-2's and get each other in and it fits in our pass and move philosophy. I reiterate Carrol should be 'Plan B' when we look to go more direct.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46202.msg1368800#msg1368800 date=1311417300]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368798#msg1368798 date=1311417148]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
[/quote]
Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
[/quote]
We get it. You don't like Dirk Kuyt and hate close range tap ins, 'cos they don't count.
[/quote]
Hahaha, I just think he's better playing up front and I dont think he should be our main man on the wings. It will be interesting to see Henderson out on the right.
[/quote]
I actually agree with you there. I think the partnership between him and Suarez has been unexpected and I hope that KK rethinks the first choice strike partnership because they are almost telepathic in their understanding. I like how they look to play 1-2's and get each other in and it fits in our pass and move philosophy. I reiterate Carrol should be 'Plan B' when we look to go more direct.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46202.msg1368821#msg1368821 date=1311419408]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368817#msg1368817 date=1311418951]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46202.msg1368800#msg1368800 date=1311417300]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368798#msg1368798 date=1311417148]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
[/quote]
Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
[/quote]
We get it. You don't like Dirk Kuyt and hate close range tap ins, 'cos they don't count.
[/quote]
Hahaha, I just think he's better playing up front and I dont think he should be our main man on the wings. It will be interesting to see Henderson out on the right.
[/quote]
I actually agree with you there. I think the partnership between him and Suarez has been unexpected and I hope that KK rethinks the first choice strike partnership because they are almost telepathic in their understanding. I like how they look to play 1-2's and get each other in and it fits in our pass and move philosophy. I reiterate Carrol should be 'Plan B' when we look to go more direct.
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i agree, i think its obvious considering the signings we've been making though that carrolls gona be first choice
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368817#msg1368817 date=1311418951]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46202.msg1368800#msg1368800 date=1311417300]
[quote author=Justicefloyd link=topic=46202.msg1368798#msg1368798 date=1311417148]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46202.msg1368761#msg1368761 date=1311412221]
Different Summer, same old shit. He'll start alot, he'll create and score goals, someone will moan about his first touch.
[/quote]
Yeah it will be another year of 20 games where he can't control a ball, miss places simple passes, kills our fast breaks and floats a couple of crosses a game to no one on the far post. Then he'll be ok in about 10 games where he'll actually control the ball and only loses it 50% of the time, and then in 8 games he be good and scores three from inside the six yard box, one off his knee and 3 penaltys and everyone will be like "see he's the best".
[/quote]
We get it. You don't like Dirk Kuyt and hate close range tap ins, 'cos they don't count.
[/quote]
Hahaha, I just think he's better playing up front and I dont think he should be our main man on the wings. It will be interesting to see Henderson out on the right.
[/quote]
I actually agree with you there. I think the partnership between him and Suarez has been unexpected and I hope that KK rethinks the first choice strike partnership because they are almost telepathic in their understanding. I like how they look to play 1-2's and get each other in and it fits in our pass and move philosophy. I reiterate Carrol should be 'Plan B' when we look to go more direct.
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i agree, i think its obvious considering the signings we've been making though that carrolls gona be first choice
so we have all agrred that Dirk should not start on the right then? The debate now seems if he will start up front with Suarez instead of Carroll.
I just don''t see it happening.
People really have to ask themselves why opinions on certain Liverpool players , are so split? I actually like Durk, but he has some very serious limiations.
It gives me no pleasure to criticise Liverpool players and as a match going supporter of over forty years, what would me my motive, and that goes for quite a significant number.
I am with Rafa4 , he will get games I am sure , but nowhere near what he has in the past.
Regards
I just don''t see it happening.
People really have to ask themselves why opinions on certain Liverpool players , are so split? I actually like Durk, but he has some very serious limiations.
It gives me no pleasure to criticise Liverpool players and as a match going supporter of over forty years, what would me my motive, and that goes for quite a significant number.
I am with Rafa4 , he will get games I am sure , but nowhere near what he has in the past.
Regards
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