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And, I would suggest, in the right competition. He'll never fulfil his potential here because in the pressure-cooker of the Prem he blows hot and cold from week to week, and you can't afford to do that. He did well in the slow-slow-QUICK-QUICK-slow football of Serie A though, and I reckon he would again if he went to Spain.
 
Insignificance said:
From Redcafe:

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Just watched this video, had never seen it before. Really quite terrifying to watch.​

Really quite disgusting that 30 years on the victims are still seeking justice.​

RIP to the 96. "​


"Horriffic to watch... We know today the magnitude of the tradegy and watching that video was a bit too much for me"​


"Awful stuff. RIP those poor 96 people so badly let down by the powers that be in this country.
[bcolor=transparent]A shame and travesty also that so many of those at fault in the police etc have gotten away with it for so long and that some of them have now died and are beyond punishment.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]At least lessons were properly learned from that which have led to the far safer experiences we have all come to take for granted these days when we og to matches"[/bcolor]​



[bcolor=transparent]From Blue Moon:[/bcolor]​

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scum scum scum

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i have the balls to call them out about the so called 96 tragedy (yes it was also your fault) to all them liverpool fans that went to the Hillsborough Stadium without tickets and jump the gates and steam in ?? how do you sleep at night ??? yes the police had not choice but to open the gates, yes the fences that football had to put up around the pitches because of hooligans was also a problem ( The Heysel Stadium disaster) again liverpool fans ?? and all english clubs was banned from europe

so maybe once is a tragedy ?? but to do it again at Hillsborough then questions needed answered, liverpool fans in their 1000s would go to big games without tickets in hope of getting in by any means and jump the gates ?? push in by doubling up or just break the gates down and steam in it was well known to everybody and the police could not stop them

town centers and shops would close early because liverpool was in town ?? looting and a free for all in shop when packs of fans would just take what they liked, the liverpool fashion casuals look was born out of liverpool going to european games and coming back with a shit load of stuff you could not get in britain by looting shops (its a true story) and glorified in many of books ????? pity they did not ask the owners of the shops and the people that worked in the shops what they think about the time liverpool was in town

so yes people have also got the right to question them ?? its a sad disaster and yes a tragedy and the families left behind to mourn the loss must have been hard, but to them liverpool fans without tickets and went knowing they would try their best to get for in free you are the real reason why both disasters happened
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I’ve wondered many many times how blame was not 50% put at the hands of those who got in without tickets. If they didn’t do that, nothing would have happened.

There are bound to be many Liverpool fans who get those cold sweats, deep breaths, even panic attacks at night because of what happened that day.

Now, quite rightly, the Police have been given blame for their part. I wonder if any of the fans have ever held their hands up for their part in it all?
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[bcolor=transparent]They still do it to this day, especially when playing in Europe. They bleat on about travelling with no tickets and conning there way into a stadium or going through entrance 2 at a time - they fail to see what can happen if it all went wrong. But if it did go wrong, you can rest assured that these same fucking idiots who still do all this knowing what has occurred back in the day, would play the usual victim blame card "[/bcolor]
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Fuck me sideways. Kudos to the United fans though.
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TY from AFTV before his rant on Troy Deeney mentioned and paid respect to the 96 as well as Tommy Smith
 
Barba Roja said:
That's very true ^^^ I (of course) despise the cretinous bellends that lay anchor over the M62. I have to say though I'm pretty astonished by the vitriol emanating from Bluefume. Especially regarding the 96. I'm equally astonished at the respect Redcafe has shown in that regard. Who would have thunk it? I guess I have to doff my cap (annoying as it is)
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United fans have always been generally respectful, as a whole (leaving aside the odd aresholes who sing about Hillsborough). Despite the fact they are all cunts, at least they are real football fans and many probably remember what it was like in the 80s. Whereas Citeh fans are now dominated by the johnny-come-lately plastics who would be following NFL or some other sht if it wasn't for the oil money
 
LeTallecWiz said:
In the right team, he's really good ...
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When you need a load of world class players around you so you don't look like like a colossal waste of skin, I'd argue you're not world class.

He should stand out in that United team. He should drag them to results like Gerrard did alongside Diouf and Diao.

Instead, he flitters between embarrassing and invisible. A few pens and dabs thrown in here and there. He's shite.
 
Halmeister said:
When you need a load of world class players around you so you don't look like like a colossal waste of skin, I'd argue you're not world class.

He should stand out in that United team. He should drag them to results like Gerrard did alongside Diouf and Diao.

Instead, he flitters between embarrassing and invisible. A few pens and dabs thrown in here and there. He's shite.
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He was brilliant in the WC - led that team brilliantly. They don't win without him in the middle imo - but I don't think he likes this idea of playing for a mid-table club.
 
He wasn't brilliant in the world cup though. It's a bit of a fallacy that. He was good. But not brilliant.
 
And I wouldn't say he "led" them either. The likes of Mbappe, Griezmann, Kante can lay more of a claim to doing that.

He of course played his part, but it wasn't a famous world cup display that will go down in the pantheon of greatness. He was alright.

They still win the world cup with a comparable player in there. So an above average, inconsistent premier league midfielder surrounded by world class players and backed by Ngolo Kante. So Danny Drinkwater. They win the world cup with Drinkwater in there.
 
from bluemoon post match thread :

They have the technology and time to review in nano details but can’t see the obvious.
Fucking corrupt cheats .

You’re a fool.
I’m sat here stunned but calls were the right ones.
I’ll take losing like that against the match fixing last year vs Liverpool anyday
So close.
 
I'm not sure if that last goal should be disallowed? There's no intent by Silva to play the ball. It's a deflection to Aguero. Is that still the rule, there has to be intent?
 
singred said:
from bluemoon post match thread :

They have the technology and time to review in nano details but can’t see the obvious.
Fucking corrupt cheats .

You’re a fool.
I’m sat here stunned but calls were the right ones.
I’ll take losing like that against the match fixing last year vs Liverpool anyday
So close.
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That Bluemoon thread is hilarious.

They are so deluded.

Talking about how UEFA hate them and have conspired to knock them out. If they did, they would ban them from the competition for all the financial doping they've done in recent years.
 
Judge Jules said:
True. I've noticed this before when comparing the two sites. Sticks in my gullet to praise them but you have to say theirs has been by far the more grown-up reaction.

In recognition of that, it's worth making the point that at the time ManU tried to help resolve the difficult situation that was building up. There had been similar difficulty the previous season at the same ground at the same stage of the same competition, warnings were raised at that time and before the rerun in '89 efforts were still being made until shortly before the game to persuade the FA to change the venue. ManU then offered the use of Old Trafford. However, the FA said no because they'd still have had to pay Sheffield Wednesday, given that arrangements had already been made to hire Hillsborough. As they were warned, history did repeat itself, with the consequences we all know about.

This is why I've always maintained and continue to maintain now that the most guilty men of all have got off scot-free. There's always been a lot of criticism of the police and one can't deny the catalogue of errors and outright dishonesty that's been laid at their door, but when you get down to the bedrock of the issue they were put in an impossible position by the FA's literally fatal combination of incompetence (selecting Hillsborough as the venue again in 89) and stubbornness (insisting on sticking to that decision). AFAIC full justice will not have been done unless the appropriate spotlight is shone on that aspect of the whole tragic mess.
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Judge if this is the case .. has anyone mentioned this or raised it ? That is fucking terrible by the FA..absolute cunts.
 
Pep fucked up with the team selection in the first leg. Hopefully this will motivate us even more in the league. I would rather die than seeing these disgusting dippers win it
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