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What's your take on Shelvey?

Positives: Passing, ball control, work rate, vision

Negatives: Speed, tackling, decision making

To be fair I haven't really seen enough of him to have a real opinion. The things I've listed are just some of things I've picked up on from the few appearances he's made.
I've noticed that he's comfortable on the ball and is always looking to get involved which is positive but he hasn't really contributed has he?

With impending transfers like McCarthy and Adam, where does he fit in?

Scored for the reserves today btw, was voted MOM.
 
Jury is still out. There is potential, but we havent seen it realized yet.
He could be Babel Mk2, he could be Gerrard Mk2, though the former is always going to be more likely.
We just have to wait and see.
 
I think you've summed him up pretty well, although the fact that Kenny clearly rates him is a huge plus for me.

I happen to think he's being somewhat overhyped as a player we all want him to be - he hasn't shown enough to suggest he'll be an important first-teamer any time soon.
 
I think Kenny is taking every opportunity he can to give the lad some time on the pitch and a bit of experience. I think he has an excellent eye for a pass, and real self-assurance, which is pretty rare. I think he needs some time to adjust, and mature, but I have pretty high hopes for him.
 
As has been said we have not seen enough to form an objective opinion, particularly as he has not been played very often or in his favoured position much - my view is what I have seen I like. He is strong, confident, has a decent touch and has a bit of an edge to him, oh and is only just 19.

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He was excellent tonight along with Jesus. Pace he has pace can't say thats a weakness. The lad is 19 still learning his trade.
 
From what I've seen, he doesn't have pace. It's like he's running through treacle. Plenty of tenacity, but very little pace.
 
[quote author=El Pistolero link=topic=45225.msg1327514#msg1327514 date=1304636160]
He was excellent tonight along with Jesus. Pace he has pace can't say thats a weakness. The lad is 19 still learning his trade.
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Wouldn't say he was excellent, he was good. Mis-placed a few passes which could have led to utd scoring, a better team would have took the chances. He does have time on his hands though considering his age.

My only concern for him is if we buy James McCarthy, where does it leave Shelvey?
 
I doesn't look to have a turn of foot but perhaps he has a decent stride. I think he has to operate centrally in the longterm. We are flush in that central attacking role with Gerrard, Raul, Cole, potential return of Aqualani and who ever else we might buy over the summer. Until he matures a bit more as a player I would continue to give him minutes when ever we can. If on the wing, so be it.

I really like and him and rate him. He always wants the ball and has a lovely touch combined with vision and intelligence. Kenny seems to rate him and has used him when possible.

So far so good.
 
He has terrific confidence for a young lad, and that's the deal breaker with kids- do you believe you can mix it at this level? He never hides, he always wants the ball, and he hasn't always shown us the skill, but I think it is in there alright.
 
I really like him, I think he will be great for the club. Some of his vision and passing has been brilliant for one so young and raw still.
 
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He has terrific confidence for a young lad, and that's the deal breaker with kids- do you believe you can mix it at this level? He never hides, he always wants the ball, and he hasn't always shown us the skill, but I think it is in there alright.
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That is why I like and rate Martin Kelly so highly. We saw Darby come through the ranks and get a few games. He tried to just get through the game, no fuck up's, completely average. Kelly felt he was good enough and belonged out there and had the confidence to show us he is better than just a steady full back.
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=45225.msg1327530#msg1327530 date=1304638155]
He has terrific confidence for a young lad, and that's the deal breaker with kids- do you believe you can mix it at this level? He never hides, he always wants the ball, and he hasn't always shown us the skill, but I think it is in there alright.
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That is why I like and rate Martin Kelly so highly. We saw Darby come through the ranks and get a few games. He tried to just get through the game, no fuck up's, completely average. Kelly felt he was good enough and belonged out there and had the confidence to show us he is better than just a steady full back.
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What really impressed with Kelly was his fearlessness. He just came into the team and performed as if he'd been in the first team for ages. Instantly looked like a key player.

I'd like to see Shelvey start a game for us in the middle but considering that our midfield is "stacked" I don't see him doing that for a long while. He does have that "fearlessness" in him though.

What differs Kelly from Flanno and Robinson besides age is that when he made his début he was bombing forward and contributing in attack, taking lots of responsibility. I think we were all surprised of how good he really was. The teenagers can learn a thing or two from him.
Hopefully with time they'll start taking more responsibility and really make a breakthrough like Kelly.
'Cause to be honest, despite their recent appearances, I really don't see them as first team players yet.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=45225.msg1327537#msg1327537 date=1304638516]
Xabi wasn't fast either
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Very true but I think it's unfair to compare him with Xabi. At 19-20 Xabi was an integral part of Sociedad's team and later on, at 21, helped guide them to a 2nd place finish in la liga.
Xabi was a mercurial talent.

OH WHY DID YOU LEAVE XABSTER???!!!

*Cries*
 
Shelvey looks like he should make it, but I don't think the comparison to Gerrard is all that valid on the physical side of things. He does have plenty going for him as everyone else has mentioned, if he makes the best of what he has he can be a good Premiership player.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45225.msg1327551#msg1327551 date=1304639955]
Shelvey looks like he should make it, but I don't think the comparison to Gerrard is all that valid on the physical side of things. He does have plenty going for him as everyone else has mentioned, if he makes the best of what he has he can be a good Premiership player.
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That's exactly how I see it. He's no Gibson though 😉.
 
He reminds me of Tom Huddlestone at that age (this is a positive for anyone wondering). Good range of passing and not scared to put his foot in, although lacking in pace somewhat. If his positioning improves (I presume this is the reason Kenny is playing him at left back in the last few games) it will compensate for his lack of speed.
 
[quote author=refugee link=topic=45225.msg1327559#msg1327559 date=1304640280]
He reminds me of Tom Huddlestone at that age (this is a positive for anyone wondering). Good range of passing and not scared to put his foot in, although lacking in pace somewhat. If his positioning improves (I presume this is the reason Kenny is playing him at left back in the last few games) it will compensate for his lack of speed.


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Yeah, thought was kind of strange that he left Robinson on the bench.
 
I prefer Robinson to Flanagan at this point. Was disappointed to see him on the bench with Johnson and Flanagan starting. Would have preferred Johnson and Robinson.


Still, Kenny knows best.
 
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I prefer Robinson to Flanagan at this point. Was disappointed to see him on the bench with Johnson and Flanagan starting. Would have preferred Johnson and Robinson.

Still, Kenny knows best.
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My thoughts also.
 
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=45225.msg1327566#msg1327566 date=1304641000]
I prefer Robinson to Flanagan at this point. Was disappointed to see him on the bench with Johnson and Flanagan starting. Would have preferred Johnson and Robinson.

Still, Kenny knows best.
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My thoughts also.
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Talent wise I'd agree, but Flanno hasn't done anything wrong yet and he's got seniority as well 😉
 
I said at the start of the season that Shelvey and Kelly were the two best prospects at the club. It's unfortunate that both got injured and missed substantial parts of the season. And in Shelvey's case, it was also a case of being played out of position or not getting enough game time.

I do maintain that from a team building perspective that they are our two best prospects. They're the kind of players we should be nurturing to come into the middle of the side and be the kind of players we can build a team around. No other prospect has that combination of size, strength, talent and fearlessness/nonchalance (maybe Coady, but I haven't seen enough).

Suso and Sterling are great attacking prospects, but those kind of players are generally a dime a dozen. Players who have the ability to mix it in the middle of the park in the PL however aren't and those are the kind of players the youth conveyor belt should really be looking to produce as it shapes the backbone of the side. Gerrard and Carra are prime examples as are Puyol, Xavi and Iniesta for Barca. Not saying that Kelly and Shelvey are going to be as good, but if anyone does have the chance currently, it's them. It's why I've been an advocate of giving Kelly a chance at CB sooner or later. And I'd say the same for Shelvey (starting in CM alongside a proper DM) once he's had enough game time in the PL. Whether they make the most of it is another question, but we have to give them that chance.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=45225.msg1327537#msg1327537 date=1304638516]
Xabi wasn't fast either
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This. And let's mention Didi as well while we're here. He's not the next Gerrard (pace-wise), but the lad can hit a pass. If he's given the minutes like Lucas was under Benitez, I'm pretty sure he'll develop into a very good player for us.
 
Xabi isn't the only example. You can look at the look at the likes of Xavi, Keane, Gary Mac, Guardiola, Molby. You don't need to have pace to be a game controlling central midfielder. It's almost counter productive at times. Gerrard is the perfect example - a brilliant attacking midfielder, but not exactly the perfect game controlling midfielder given his propensity to constantly bomb forward (which given his pace and power is only natural).
 
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