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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40660.msg1123553#msg1123553 date=1276950746]
'Crapello'... Jesus Christ, he's probably the 'winningest' manager in modern football, behind Ferguson and Mourinho.

Blaming the manager is missing the point.

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I'm not sure. If that was Liverpool yesterday, people would have been queueing up to slaughter him on here. So what's the difference? Forget what he's done, its about the here and now. He set the team up, he brought Barry in and shifted England's best player from the first game to the left hand side etc etc.

Sure the players didn't deliver, but that was the same for LFC last year and more often or not Rafa got the blame. Why shouldn't Capello pick up his fair share of the blame?
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I agree. The manager is not to blame for players poor form or lack of interest. but the manager is to blame for the second similar selection in a row, and lack ofor not changing his team around and use his squad.
 
He's using the tactics and formation that got England to the World Cup in the first place. Why did it work against Croatia etc and not against Algeria? Because the players are playing like shit. You can move them around your chalkboard all your like or quibble about selections etc, but if even our most talented players can't pass the ball accurately or move into space to receive, then we are not going to beat anyone at football. Strangely enough, we played pretty much the same shit, slow, desperately uncoordinated football at the last World Cup. Everyone blamed Sven for that. Am I really the only one who doesn't think it's a managerial problem at all anymore?
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40660.msg1123677#msg1123677 date=1276963845]
He's using the tactics and formation that got England to the World Cup in the first place. Why did it work against Croatia etc and not against Algeria? Because the players are playing like shit. You can move them around your chalkboard all your like or quibble about selections etc, but if even our most talented players can't pass the ball accurately or move into space to receive, then we are not going to beat anyone at football. Strangely enough, we played pretty much the same shit, slow, desperately uncoordinated football at the last World Cup. Everyone blamed Sven for that. Am I really the only one who doesn't think it's a managerial problem at all anymore?
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I don't think its totally a managerial problem fwiw. But then I thought the same thing about LFC's performances this season. Many people disagree.

There seems to be no passion in the team.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40660.msg1123677#msg1123677 date=1276963845]
He's using the tactics and formation that got England to the World Cup in the first place. Why did it work against Croatia etc and not against Algeria? Because the players are playing like shit. You can move them around your chalkboard all your like or quibble about selections etc, but if even our most talented players can't pass the ball accurately or move into space to receive, then we are not going to beat anyone at football. Strangely enough, we played pretty much the same shit, slow, desperately uncoordinated football at the last World Cup. Everyone blamed Sven for that. Am I really the only one who doesn't think it's a managerial problem at all anymore?

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Well, footie is a mental and physical game. And England players and staff are clearly not mentally up to the task of tournament success. The abysmal treatment of players in domestic media is probably not helping.....
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40660.msg1123677#msg1123677 date=1276963845]
He's using the tactics and formation that got England to the World Cup in the first place. Why did it work against Croatia etc and not against Algeria? Because the players are playing like shit. You can move them around your chalkboard all your like or quibble about selections etc, but if even our most talented players can't pass the ball accurately or move into space to receive, then we are not going to beat anyone at football. Strangely enough, we played pretty much the same shit, slow, desperately uncoordinated football at the last World Cup. Everyone blamed Sven for that. Am I really the only one who doesn't think it's a managerial problem at all anymore?

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Yeah. I don't know how you can't at least portion some blame on Capello. Heskey is shit, as has been said, him being there to make one player work is ridiculous if that player loses form, because then you've got two players offering nothing. The issue over Gerrard/Lampard has been there for ages and it only works when Barry is fully fit, so when Barry isn't there why not have plan B instead of just trying to make it work when it hasn't for years and under a succession of managers?

Decisions are there to be made because it's not working and so far, when it matters he's got it wrong. Sven was great in the qualifiers too.
 
you can bet on wednesday his only change (if he makes a change at all) will be defoe/crouch for heskey when the glaring problem is service. if we go out at the group stage crapello should be fucked off, no question about it and like the people who wanted rafa out, I couldn't care less if there are no obvious choices to replace him. capello isn't up the job, get rid.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40660.msg1123677#msg1123677 date=1276963845]
He's using the tactics and formation that got England to the World Cup in the first place. Why did it work against Croatia etc and not against Algeria? Because the players are playing like shit. You can move them around your chalkboard all your like or quibble about selections etc, but if even our most talented players can't pass the ball accurately or move into space to receive, then we are not going to beat anyone at football. Strangely enough, we played pretty much the same shit, slow, desperately uncoordinated football at the last World Cup. Everyone blamed Sven for that. Am I really the only one who doesn't think it's a managerial problem at all anymore?
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I don't think its totally a managerial problem fwiw. But then I thought the same thing about LFC's performances this season. Many people disagree.

There seems to be no passion in the team.
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This.
 
The main problem is Rooney and Lampard. Both look like they are in the middle of pre season. Suddenly you look to Heskey for goals, and as a reserve striker for Villa with physical play rather then ability infront of goal as his forte. Then you find yourself in this position.

All I'm saying is bring players that are used to scoring goals, like Agbonlahor. Crouch can be the target man. Heskey has nothing in his locker. Nothing.

He has had the two best chances for England so far, one straight at the keeper and one were he tried to pass it. Thats what you get.

Germany might face the same problem, as Lowe has kept faith in both Podolski and Klose despite their goaldrought this season. That might cost them, as it did against Serbia.
 
Can anyone enlighten me why Joe Cole hasn't been granted a single minute so far?

Instead Capello in his wisdom has used Milner, SWP, Gerrard and Rooney on the left thus far. Twat.
 
The buck stops wit the manager.
For me something somewhere has gone terribly wrong, rooney just looked like a different player.
Its not just the games,and formation bla bla.
The preparation must be questioned here,players away from home for over a month, morale is clearly low and something needs to be done to boost this. Maybe its capellos rule with an iron fist that doesnt help,because the players I saw play like shit last night unable to trap a ball rolling towards them, were not the same players who I have seen kill a ball dead.
 
team may have just peaked too soon ... however, win the game against serbia, and the tables may turn in your favor again.
 
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team may have just peaked too soon ... however, win the game against serbia, and the tables may turn in your favor again.
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Slovenia, but I know what you mean!
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40660.msg1123482#msg1123482 date=1276939886]
can someone please explain to me how;

* the nation that INVENTED football
* has one of (if not 'the') most competitive leagues in the world
* has a team filled with world class players
* has one of the most prolific managers ever


...can string fucking THREE passes together?!

england are easily (EASILY) the least fluid team at the world cup, algeria were passing the ball better than we were.
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England invented football, but a lot of countries have been doing it better pretty much ever since.

Too much focus on athleticism; not nearly enough on passing, technical ability, composure, imagination, guile, the ability to read the game....

Fast, strong, but shit, non-football.
 
I don't want to make sweeping judgements based on two games, but this is the World Cup, ultimately this is where a team is judged, and so far we've been fucking pitiful.

Capello is not being paid £6M a year to get this much wrong. Fail to qualify on Wednesday and he'll be a dead man walking.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40660.msg1123482#msg1123482 date=1276939886]
can someone please explain to me how;

* the nation that INVENTED football
* has one of (if not 'the') most competitive leagues in the world
* has a team filled with world class players
* has one of the most prolific managers ever


...can string fucking THREE passes together?!

england are easily (EASILY) the least fluid team at the world cup, algeria were passing the ball better than we were.
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England invented football, but a lot of countries have been doing it better pretty much ever since.

Too much focus on athleticism; not nearly enough on passing, technical ability, composure, imagination, guile, the ability to read the game....

Fast, strong, but shit, non-football.
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In World Cups, though, we don't even manage to be fast or strong.
 
Whether you think they're showing it or not, their overall strength is athleticism and thier overall weakness is lack of ability to play football with any real composure or guile.
 
england's problems;

a) there is no winter break

while the likes of spain break up for the holidays, england plays continuously from august to may meaning they are far more likely to suffer from fatigue than another nation. sure, a lot of foreign players ply their trade here but ALL of the english players are based in england, so ALL of them will suffer from the same fatigue.

b) the mentality of 'grass roots' is about winning and little else

in south american, football is about fun and technique but in england from the ground up its about winning the game, so english players have it ingrained in them to never give up, always push till the very end but the very basic techinique of passing the ball, controlling the ball dead, keeping possession is often sadly lacking. in the 2005 CL final even though there were foreign players in the liverpool team the never say die attiude was very english.

c) the star players often have foreign players doing the fetching and carrying

lampard and gerrard are the stars of their respective teams, they are the ones that usually dig the team out of shit with crucial goals, but the players that give them the ball, the players that keep the game ticking over, the players that give them the defensive platform, the players that take the sting out of the game when their team has taken the lead, are more often than not foreign.

gerrard had probably his best season in 08/09 and probably his worst season in 09/10, in 08/09 xabi alonso had his best season in a liverpool shirt and in 09/0 he was sold to real, coincedence?

d) england mangers try to play all the best players and team play is almost an after thought (with the exception of the front two positions)

steven gerrard, argubly the best central player in the country, came up playing on the right, moved to the middle of the park, then pushed further forwards to absolutely devastating effect...so why play him on the left for his country?
you (england manager) can't ignore what that someone does for their club and then moan when they don't do it for their country, it was the exact same thing with john barnes.
capello left adam johnson behind, probably the most inform winger in the country? why? lack of experience? well he isn't going to gain experience if he isn't played, england look shockingly short of options on the left.

then you have lampard, no one can deny he is one of the country's best players but currently he is NOT performing, he is surviving on reputation along.

then you have the striker positions and to be fair to the england managers they have gone for partnerships, lineker and beardo, shearer and sherry (when fowler was probably the hottest striker in the country) and then you have rooney and heskey,
heskey purely in the team because rooney 'supposedly' plays better (has that working out for you fab?) so in effect you have TWO players who are a waste of space if rooney doesn't deliver the goods.

capello said he would only bring the players playing regularly for their clubs and in form which as we now know is a pile of shit.
when will england learn you can't play ALL the stars you have to go with the best TEAM. do spain try to shoe horn; cesc, xabi, xavi and inesta into the same side even though all of them are world class?

e) the press in the country is mercyless
the expectation in this country is INSANE, its nearly 50 years (FIFTY!!) since england won the world cup and yet their is expectation for england to win the competiton every time the world cup rolls around every 4 years? what has england done to justify that expectation? sure, the players should be used to that expection especially if they ply their trade at liverpool, manu, arsenal etc but they are human and there is a massive difference between the expection of a city and the expectation of a NATION.

maybe the suggestion that these highly paid proffesionals are choking under the pressure is a stretch but there are few explainations why england are nearly always slow starters and simply passing the ball seems almost beyond them.

so what can england do to get around the problems?
a) play to your strengths

if you are at your best when the tempo is high and your physicality grinds down your opposition, then raise the tempo, get the ball down the wing as often and quickly as possible and cross are the earliest oppertunity, hope that you get a quick succession of goals so when you eventually run out of steam (and you will) you have enough in the tank to see out the win - think liverpool v juventus 2005.

b) drop heskey

to be fair to emule (pun intended) he did well against usa but england needs better and we need a goal threat up front and as is often qouted 'emile isn't there to score goals'.
play someone who can create AND finish.
which brings us to...

c) try not to move players from positions they enjoy for their clubs

move gerrard behind rooney, drop lampard if you have to to make room for carrick and give the two best english players (gerrard and rooney) a platform to hurt teams.

d) play joe cole

england is BADLY lacking creativity and guile so play someone who can unlock stubborn defenses.
england may as well go for it now, grow some ball capello and do the right thing.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40660.msg1123820#msg1123820 date=1277005773]
I don't want to make sweeping judgements based on two games, but this is the World Cup, ultimately this is where a team is judged, and so far we've been fucking pitiful.

Capello is not being paid £6M a year to get this much wrong. Fail to qualify on Wednesday and he'll be a dead man walking.
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In that event I think he'll walk. If I read him right, he has too much pride not to.
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40660.msg1123820#msg1123820 date=1277005773]
I don't want to make sweeping judgements based on two games, but this is the World Cup, ultimately this is where a team is judged, and so far we've been fucking pitiful.

Capello is not being paid £6M a year to get this much wrong. Fail to qualify on Wednesday and he'll be a dead man walking.
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In that event I think he'll walk. If I read him right, he has too much pride not to.
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GOOD!!
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40660.msg1123888#msg1123888 date=1277035619]
Good post that Neil..
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why thank you marky, coming from you that is compliment indeed 🙂
 
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