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.....yer shit!

Tbf if we beat slovenia we could click and be marvelous, but his operations are being picked on, and rightly so, the vultures are circling, the honeymoon is over....and lampard (8 in the morning papers, no doubt) is still fucking uselesss in an england shirt.

Out> lampard, heskey
In> defoe, J cole

Sorted.
 
I reckon he will drop heskey. Lampard obviously should be, but he won't have the bottle to do it. When he came he was meant to make the tough decisions. He's made none (terry wasn't a tough decision)
 
[quote author=thelurker link=topic=40660.msg1123346#msg1123346 date=1276901338]
Capello for Liverpool!
[/quote]

Exactly. It could be a godsend to us if England went out in the group stages. We could approach the FA and get one of the best managers in world football without paying a penny in compensation - simply because they'd be desperate to get rid of him.

I reckon he'd love to redeem himself by managing Liverpool to success.
 
are you serious, his teams are so boring we may as well bring back Houllier. His Roma team were pure zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
I'm easily convinced so whilst I'm firmly in the Pellegrini camp I could probably be persuaded. Having said that, I could have sent a more balanced and cohesive team out last night than him.
 
I just fail to understand how shite Lampard is when he plays for England.

However, Capello must shoulder most of the blame last night. To stick Gerrard our on the left against Algeria is a fucking nonsense. Also, why Heskey stayed on for so long is a joke.

And as for Rooney, it seems he has reverted back to his headless-chicken routine where he can be found anywhere but the goal area. Just play him as a lone striker like he has done for United all season FFS
 
Apparently according to the opta stats, only Jay-jay Okocha has had more shots in the WC without scoring a goal than Lumpard (JJ=33, L=31)
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40660.msg1123341#msg1123341 date=1276900595]
Out> lampard, heskey
In> defoe, J cole

Sorted.
[/quote]

Sorted.....???? Seriously?

-----------------------James--------------------------

Johnson-------Dawson---Terry-----------Cole

----------------Lampard---Barry-----------------

Lennon------------Gerrard-------------J.Cole

----------------------Rooney-------------------

Should have been this formation from day 1
 
[quote author=Markeh link=topic=40660.msg1123425#msg1123425 date=1276932844]
are you serious, his teams are so boring we may as well bring back Houllier. His Roma team were pure zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[/quote]

Eat his trophy haul.
 
he's a winner alright but i'd rather eat his trophy haul than watch some of his teams play :laugh:
 
It's soul destroying. I can't wait for the regular season to start so I can start enjoying football again........*cries*
 
[quote author=Markeh link=topic=40660.msg1123442#msg1123442 date=1276935604]
he's a winner alright but i'd rather eat his trophy haul than watch some of his teams play :laugh:
[/quote]

arf
 
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=40660.msg1123430#msg1123430 date=1276934295]
I just fail to understand how shite Lampard is when he plays for England.
[/quote]

At Chelsea he has a great team around him to enable him to fulfil a specific role, he doesnt get that with england.

As I've said a million times, swap Stevie for Fwank in that Chelsea team & Stevie would outshine him easily.
 
Ps - I'm not in the sack off Lampard camp, I'm in the how do we get lampard playing like he does for Chelsea camp.

I think stripping him of any defensive responsibility wouldbe a start.

I don't expect Capello to change things, he sees the best of them in training and thinks he has it cracked and then they turn from lions to lambs when faced by even the smallest of teams. These players will have to look back on this as their last chance to go out fighting and be held up against the England sides we the fans are most proud of 66, 86, 90 and they have to show some fucking teeth before it's too late.
If it were me I'd go with-
James
cole
terry
Dawson
glenjo

carrick
Barry

cole
lampard
gerrard

Rooney

although Rooney looks half fit, and if he is and they're covering it up then that's shameful and capello should be sacked....and crouch should start against the slovs.
 
Spot on. That exact team was my choice when me & the lads talked last night.

You HAVE to play your best three attacking mf's & Rooney has to play where he does for Utd. That means Stevie, Lamps & j.Cole behind Wayne.

You do sacrifice width, however, Stevie often hugs teh touchline when he's not the only cnetral player then drops back in, & Cole practically lives there even when playing centrally, so that's not too much of an isse on the pitch, only looks it on paper.

The main problem for me with that is playing a good attacking team with wiodth. Glenjo & Cole with no specific LM or RM to trackback & cover means huge holes against pacy wingers. However against the 'lesser' teams that formation is a must IMO.
 
There are too many players we need to strip of all defensive responsibilities and there is simply isn't a supporting cast of sufficient quality to enable a manager to do that.

When Argentina built their team around Riquelme, they could afford to let him swan around waiting for attacks to start because they had a defensive platform of Maschareno and Cambiasso behind him. We have Carrick and Barry, neither of whom are good enough in their own right and both of whom require a solid team to excel - chicken and egg.

It's a case of picking one or the other and it has been for the last few years. The problem is no manager has been willing to do that and the fact that we are desperately short of quality in other areas hasn't helped matters.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40660.msg1123454#msg1123454 date=1276936295]
There are too many players we need to strip of all defensive responsibilities and there is simply isn't a supporting cast of sufficient quality to enable a manager to do that.

When Argentina built their team around Riquelme, they could afford to let him swan around waiting for attacks to start because they had a defensive platform of Maschareno and Cambiasso behind him. We have Carrick and Barry, neither of whom are good enough in their own right and both of whom require a solid team to excel - chicken and egg.

It's a case of picking one or the other and it has been for the last few years. The problem is no manager has been willing to do that and the fact that we are desperately short of quality in other areas hasn't helped matters.
[/quote]But we've played USA and Algeria Ken!! Next it's Slovsomethinga. After that probably Ghana or Serbia, then Mexico or Uraguay! We're not talking brazil here or Spain! How much attacking do we think they're going to do?
I see your point but Carricks a champions league winner. Barry is englands most expensive ever midfielder. They should be able to hold off fucking slovsomethinga!
Jesus I'm so sick of supporting teams that's primary thought is 'what can the opposition do to hurt us'
we should be flaying these fuckers alive!
 
I don't know if we can look down on these teams any more. Football has moved on and traditionally shit countries are a lot better than they once were. We're seeing sides like Korea and Algeria full of very technically capable players that are well drilled and know how to play together.

The commentators said yesterday that most of the players for Algeria were born in France and played in the French youth teams, so we know they've had a good footballing education. Ditto for a lot of seemingly shit sides who have more than a handful of players in top leagues nowadays.

The point that we should still be capable of beating them comfortably still stands, of course it does, but we can't expect that turning up alone will be enough to secure a victory. We now have to make sure we play well and when you've got a collection of players that can't maintain possession and seemingly don't know what movement is required of them, you're onto a loser.
 
I think Capello will make changes. This playing Heskey because Ronney likes playing with him has turned out to be the biggest load of bollocks ever. It might work when Ronney is on form, but Rooney has been playing like a cunt too, so basically you have zilch up front, it's a waste of space having Heskey there.
Greene got dropped as he fucked up, quite rightly, so should the forwards.
Put Crouch and Defoe up there.


regards
 
I'll never understand why these so called "world class coaches" feel the need to fuck about with formations etc when they have a group of players to rival any of the top squads. I could understand if the likes of slovenia and algeria tried to play a defensive game while playing long balls up to a target man (which they dont do) but for christs sake when you have an extremely talented squad, like england, just put your fucking best players on the pitch in their best positions and trust them to do the job. If they dont realise this soon they might as well go home now.

*Heads off to buy Slovenia scarf*
 
after watching the clueless, headless fucking SHITE from capello's england no way would I want him to manage liverpool.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40660.msg1123477#msg1123477 date=1276939537]
after watching the clueless, headless fucking SHITE from capello's england no way would I want him to manage liverpool.
[/quote]

Same problems under Ericsson, same under McLaren, now with Capello.

There's a common denominator and it's not the managers.
 
can someone please explain to me how;

* the nation that INVENTED football
* has one of (if not 'the') most competitive leagues in the world
* has a team filled with world class players
* has one of the most prolific managers ever


...can string fucking THREE passes together?!

england are easily (EASILY) the least fluid team at the world cup, algeria were passing the ball better than we were.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40660.msg1123479#msg1123479 date=1276939611]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40660.msg1123477#msg1123477 date=1276939537]
after watching the clueless, headless fucking SHITE from capello's england no way would I want him to manage liverpool.
[/quote]

Same problems under Ericsson, same under McLaren, now with Capello.

There's a common denominator and it's not the managers.
[/quote]

There is a common denominator in that they pick the best players and then get them to play in positions and formations they aren't comfortable with. The old best players don't make the best team problem.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40660.msg1123484#msg1123484 date=1276940069]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40660.msg1123479#msg1123479 date=1276939611]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40660.msg1123477#msg1123477 date=1276939537]
after watching the clueless, headless fucking SHITE from capello's england no way would I want him to manage liverpool.
[/quote]

Same problems under Ericsson, same under McLaren, now with Capello.

There's a common denominator and it's not the managers.
[/quote]

There is a common denominator in that they pick the best players and then get them to play in positions and formations they aren't comfortable with. [/quote]

correct for three points.

gerrard on the left - I wonder why he isn't performing?
heskey playing at all - 'oh, heskey isn't there to score goals'

etc
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40660.msg1123484#msg1123484 date=1276940069]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40660.msg1123479#msg1123479 date=1276939611]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40660.msg1123477#msg1123477 date=1276939537]
after watching the clueless, headless fucking SHITE from capello's england no way would I want him to manage liverpool.
[/quote]

Same problems under Ericsson, same under McLaren, now with Capello.

There's a common denominator and it's not the managers.
[/quote]

There is a common denominator in that they pick the best players and then get them to play in positions and formations they aren't comfortable with. The old best players don't make the best team problem.
[/quote]

Fair point, but it worked well in the qualifiers didn't it ?

I think it's more to do with the attitudes of the players myself - I think to a man they're generally greedy, selfish and not all that clever - anyone would struggle to make a great team out of players with those attributes.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40660.msg1123482#msg1123482 date=1276939886]
can someone please explain to me how;

* the nation that INVENTED football
* has one of (if not 'the') most competitive leagues in the world
* has a team filled with world class players
* has one of the most prolific managers ever


...can string fucking THREE passes together?!

england are easily (EASILY) the least fluid team at the world cup, algeria were passing the ball better than we were.
[/quote]

What has China to do with it?
 
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