OH NO

[HC]

[quote author=RaceTo19 link=topic=23939.msg580275#msg580275 date=1211842896]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=23939.msg580272#msg580272 date=1211842559]
[quote author=RaceTo19 link=topic=23939.msg580269#msg580269 date=1211842261]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=23939.msg580257#msg580257 date=1211841895]
Bollocks.

However you take what Oncey or anyone else has said. I don't for one moment believe they literally mean they'd cease to have feelings for the club, their ears would still prick upon hearing us on the tv or the radio, they'd still be happy deep down knowing the club had won or whatever, you don't hate something, you just become disattached, numb - My dad being a prime example, still checks the scores etc but would he pay over the odds to go to a league game, no he wouldn't.

Whereas what you say you feel, in my opinion is genuinely quite scary. Your whole attitude towards the fans having to adapt and evolve parallel to the game changing. We shoudln't have to. It shouldn't happen, it's bollocks. Division 1 being whored out into a new brand name is bollocks, this european elite league nonsense is bollocks, this playing a league game in fucking Shanghai or wherever is bollocks; I can't believe anyone who genuinely has a heart and a passion for something would adopt an attitude towards all this as you have.
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But if you follow your line then at some stage as you get older you WILL fall out of love with the club.

Is this just the age old story of getting older and the phrase "things were better in my day" just about sums it up. Things probably were better in our days but there is no going back to them now and things will probably get even worse in our opinion as time goes on.

If you can't learn to accept it you'll be left with nothing but memories and bitterness IMO
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It doesn't have to happen.

Things don't have to incline. Wage budgets, transfer budgets, having a minimum of 5 english players or whatever.

Sure quality of football would decrease in the short term, but fucking hell the feel good factor, plus in the longterm it can only be good for football.

The only people that'd lose would be Bankers and the wankers, big loss that. Also as I above said, you don't resent the club, you wont or atleast shouldn't be bitter, but it's value will obviously decrease. This is like talking to a brick wall, to be fair Race, I think the fact that the only time I've seen I read your posts it's been regarding the financial aspects of our clubs pretty much sumarises my view of you a football fan. Statistics, fiscal values, bigger, who's better etc? That, that is when people start getting bitter and twisted.
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Fuck you!!!
I'm on a Liverpool forum for fuck sake. How long would I last if I came on here talking about how much I loved United and how a great a club we are?
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Im just saying how I've seen it. All of your posts that I've seen have been about the above.

 

[Paddy]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=23939.msg580276#msg580276 date=1211842899]
RaceTo19's attitude is indeed pretty sad, but I don't agree with this football is dead shit.

I've often spoken about the state of music in the same way FFF just did about football. I miss rummaging through 2nd hand CD stores. I miss taking albums home, going through the artwork, learning the songs and playing an album for three months straight because hey, they're expensive and you don't just buy them every day. Most of all, I miss just caring about it all. You got to appreciate music more back then because you had to really go out of your way to seek it out and when you got it, you could take your time with it. Now, people just go and copy 100GB of music at a time and if you don't like an album in the first few seconds, you've literally got thousands more to choose from at your fingertips.

You know what though, I still listen to music all the time and I still enjoy it. We get older and move on in the same way the things we love do and it sucks letting go, but that's just the way it is - you have to move with the times.

Try telling a 10 year old that football is dead.

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I like.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=23939.msg580276#msg580276 date=1211842899]
RaceTo19's attitude is indeed pretty sad, but I don't agree with this football is dead shit.

I've often spoken about the state of music in the same way FFF just did about football. I miss rummaging through 2nd hand CD stores. I miss taking albums home, going through the artwork, learning the songs and playing an album for three months straight because hey, they're expensive and you don't just buy them every day. Most of all, I miss just caring about it all. You got to appreciate music more back then because you had to really go out of your way to seek it out and when you got it, you could take your time with it. Now, people just go and copy 100GB of music at a time and if you don't like an album in the first few seconds, you've literally got thousands more to choose from at your fingertips.

You know what though, I still listen to music all the time and I still enjoy it. We get older and move on in the same way the things we love do and it sucks letting go, but that's just the way it is - you have to move with the times.

Try telling a 10 year old that football is dead.
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I agree totally, i dont think it would be dead. I just wouldnt want anything to do with it any more.
I can stomach the hollywoodisation of football, and all the corporate shit we are force fed. But certain things would just suck the love outta it for me.
It will always be as popular as it is, but not with me.

 

[livvy145]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=23939.msg580276#msg580276 date=1211842899]
RaceTo19's attitude is indeed pretty sad, but I don't agree with this football is dead shit.

I've often spoken about the state of music in the same way FFF just did about football. I miss rummaging through 2nd hand CD stores. I miss taking albums home, going through the artwork, learning the songs and playing an album for three months straight because hey, they're expensive and you don't just buy them every day. Most of all, I miss just caring about it all. You got to appreciate music more back then because you had to really go out of your way to seek it out and when you got it, you could take your time with it. Now, people just go and copy 100GB of music at a time and if you don't like an album in the first few seconds, you've literally got thousands more to choose from at your fingertips.

You know what though, I still listen to music all the time and I still enjoy it. We get older and move on in the same way the things we love do and it sucks letting go, but that's just the way it is - you have to move with the times.

Try telling a 10 year old that football is dead.

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*applauds*

Cracking post Keni.

 

[Rosco]

Some great posts here lads + lady.

I suppose I'm one of the colder more clinical and detached posters on here generally, I can make sense of all the business decisions no matter how much against the spirit of football / Liverpool FC they are and supply reason for them so that they become barely acceptable (to me).

BUT .... if we sold Torres for any reason (let alone financial gain) it would genuinely break my heart. I would completely lose all faith in the modern game. I absolutely love watching him play, on TV, in Anfield ... whatever. He is simply a joy to watch in full flow and if we were to lose him while he is at his peak I'd be absolutely distraught. It doesn't bare thinking about.

I can see the reasons why we might sell him, a silly bid which means we can buy four world class players to replace him .... yet I don't think I'd be happy with that any time in the next seven years.

 

[Mr Moominpoops]

Great thread.

My own post is the best obv.

 

[jimmy]

[quote author=Mr Moominpoops link=topic=23939.msg580302#msg580302 date=1211850063]
Great thread.

My own post is the best obv.
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Great thread indeed.
As for you post - where is it? 😉

 

[LarryHagman]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=23939.msg580232#msg580232 date=1211840882]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=23939.msg580220#msg580220 date=1211839841]
You sound like my dad Oncey.

He's well and truely fallen out of love with the beautiful sport.
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Many older fans have.

My interest is waning, or at least changing dramatically.

I fell in love with walking to watch the match with my mates, reading the echo news about players on the way, listening to a handheld radio for team news whilst queuing up to get into the Kop, costing less than my pocket money to get in. Listening to the away match on the radio & staying up to watch MOTD.

I didnt fall in love with SSN, constant media coverage, every match we ever play available to watch, foreign owners, diving players, crowds that dont sing, & corporate tickets being the norm.

The game I loved is dead, the club I love is a completely different thing in almost every way, but the day we sell an icon, an image, a symbol of something finally being how we want it to be after years of pain at our great club , simply for financial gain, is the day our club truly dies, & my support along with it.
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Same here. And same for my Dad too. He gets embarrassed watching modern football so doesn't bother. I feel sorry for the kids weened on it, the way it is today. My loyalty to LFC will never waiver but I am no longer the footy fan I was.

And anyone who thinks that modern footy isn't all about money is either deluded or still thinks its 1976.

 

[reuque]

I have no friggin idea what 7 pages of this bollox has bought to us, but spotting the Slug, Panda, Herr orgy, it might deserve to be transfered to The Vault.

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=23939.msg580276#msg580276 date=1211842899]
RaceTo19's attitude is indeed pretty sad, but I don't agree with this football is dead shit.

I've often spoken about the state of music in the same way FFF just did about football. I miss rummaging through 2nd hand CD stores. I miss taking albums home, going through the artwork, learning the songs and playing an album for three months straight because hey, they're expensive and you don't just buy them every day. Most of all, I miss just caring about it all. You got to appreciate music more back then because you had to really go out of your way to seek it out and when you got it, you could take your time with it. Now, people just go and copy 100GB of music at a time and if you don't like an album in the first few seconds, you've literally got thousands more to choose from at your fingertips.

You know what though, I still listen to music all the time and I still enjoy it. We get older and move on in the same way the things we love do and it sucks letting go, but that's just the way it is - you have to move with the times.

Try telling a 10 year old that football is dead.

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Exactly. I was thinking all the way through reading this thread about my own kids and how they view football. To them it's all new, strange and fantastically exciting. They're still young enough to believe that they could still one day play for Liverpool and/or France. They've never been to a football match in their lives (I wanted to take them to Toulouse-LFC but it would have cost me €200 I didn't have) but, along with music, it's pretty much all they think and talk about.

What we have to remember is that, judged by the values of the previous generation (Stanley Matthews, heavy leather footballs, mud, people pissing on each other in the Kop etc etc) even our golden age of the 70s and 80s was already completely corrupted by greed and pampering.

The fact remains that, when I watch Torres or Gerrard in full flight - or celebrate something as heart-wrenching and euphoric and incredible as Istanbul - then Sky and Tom Hicks and Rio Ferdinand's wage packet all melt into total irrelevance. Even viewed through an electronic box from thousands of miles away, all football's true magic is contained in that small patch of grass between two goals, and in the hearts of the supporters who make the accompanying roar.

I would be devastated if Torres was sold because, aside from being brilliant, he's one of the few modern players who really seems to understand and appreciate the history and mythology of both football in general and LFC in particular. And my initial reaction would be the same as many others': absolute disenchantment and disgust. I don't think there's any way I could really switch off my love for the club and the game though. If it's survived Heysel and Hillsborough and Hicks and Grobbelaar letting goals in for money, then I'm pretty sure it can survive anything.

 

[FoxForceFive]

That, right there is the problem.
I find it hard, in fact, nigh on impossible to think my son will feel the same way about Liverpool that I did, cos he wont regularly watch his heros playing just yards away, wont feel that buzz that surrounds the pre match build up, and he'll be constantly bombarded by media influence.

It's a different kind of affiliation, Andy mentioned Hollywood and he's not far wrong, it's glamourisation and turning players into something they're not.

one of the best things for me has always been meeting my heroes off the pitch and confirming they are real people, just lads done good, chatting to then on the way into the players lounge before a game made you feel special.

it's simply not the same kind of love, it cant be.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Football should be about uncontrolled joy such as this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PqZTP8-8wIs

Sadly, moments like this are disappearing.

 

[Niall K]

Liverpool have told Chelsea to forget about making a move for Fernando Torres.



Reports in Spain and England have suggested Chelsea are weighing up a £50million move for the striker after his superb first season in the Premier League last term.

The 24-year-old scored 33 goals in his debut season after arriving from Atletico Madrid last summer.

Reports have suggested Liverpool could be willing to cash-in on Torres, but Reds co-owner , Hicks insists the Reds would never contemplate selling Torres.

"We would never consider it," Hicks told the Daily Telegraph.

A spokesman for Hicks added: "It is simply beyond comprehension. There is no circumstance in which Torres will be sold," Hicks' spokesman told The Mirror.

"Why would the owners invest so much money in supporting the manager, to then undermine that support? It is ludicrous."

Torres has also rejected the speculation saying he is happy to stay at Anfield.

"I am very happy at Liverpool," noted Torres. "I prefer not to think about these stories and to focus on Euro 2008.

"After the Euros I will go on holiday and then return to Liverpool.

"This is my team, my city and Anfield is my pitch. I can't tell you how good I feel about playing for Liverpool.

"It is so important to me that the fans think so highly of me. It is fantastic to see my name on the shirts of our fans.

"This was only my first season for Liverpool, and I can say without contradiction I want to play better here for many more yet."


Good lad Nando

 

[Jack D Rips]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article4012698.ece

Let this be the end to all this nonsense

"This is my team, my city, and Anfield is my pitch"

 

[Avmenon]

It's amazing how a seemingly rubbish journo thread can turn into an absolute cracker, unwittingly helped by a Manc.

Don't feel too bad,Race.

I've met loads of Mancs who think the EXACT same way as you do.