What about the seasons when he didn't win the title?
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No not at all. But you just know how the game is nowadays. New manager comes in. New manager gone within 2 years.
Who was the 2nd/3rd longest serving manager in the premiership? Rodgers.
Games fucking Shiite. Gone. Not like when we were young. Can't be arsed with it, is basically what I'm saying.
I've no idea.. and I really don't get your point..
Its clear he can set a team upto defend and furthermore when pushing for the title, whilst his players are scoring for fun, the back line remains solid..
Whilst on the other hand Rodgers just couldn't get any of his teams to defend consistently in fact instead of improving the defence with his signings, it only got worse...
He sold a decent defender in Agger for 3 million and replaced him with a bag of shite in Lovren for 20 million...
For me it is alll about the soul. For King K I would fight day in and day out for poor perfomances like Sion. For BR not a chance. We are Liverpool, BR is unfortunately not!!
You have no idea yet you're trumping how good Kloop is based on one season (admittedly he won the Bundesliga with it).
Don't get me wrong, I think Rodgers had to go but you're not very logical and your reasoning is emotionally based rather than factual and it ends up being unreasonable and biased.
Still Kloop would be interesting so let's see how well he'll do in a tougher league (assuming it's Kloop).
Rodgers being 2nd/3rd longest serving manager in the PL could be because we have slow reacting owners.
He won two titles and got to a CL final
Who's Kloop..??? Sounds poop to me..
No emotion from me... What I have said is factual..
Incedently in Klopps other title winning season, Dortmund Conceded only 22 goals..
2008–09 BL 34 15 14 5 60 37 59 6th R3 UEFA Cup R1 Alexander Frei 12
2009–10 BL 34 16 9 9 54 42 68 5th R3 Lucas Barrios 19
2010–11 BL 34 23 6 5 67 22 75 1st R2 UEFA Europa League GS Lucas Barrios 16
2011–12 BL 34 25 6 3 80 25 81 1st Winners UEFA Champions League GS Robert Lewandowski 22
DFL-Supercup Runners-up
2012–13 BL 34 19 9 6 81 42 66 2nd QF UEFA Champions League Runners-up Robert Lewandowski 24
DFL-Supercup Runners-up
2013–14 BL 34 22 5 7 80 38 71 2nd Runners-up UEFA Champions League QF Robert Lewandowski 20
DFL-Supercup Winners
2014–15 BL 34 13 7 14 47 42 46 7th
So he's got a payoff. Has there ever been a manager sacked who didn't get a payoff?
Millions in the bank? Is that from a life outside of football? Shouldn't be allowed.
Fucking hell!
Typo
Only half the facts so it's mis-leading.
So the 12-13 season he came 2nd, scored 81 goals and let in 42 about 2:1 and won the league (kudos).
Rodgers 13-14 season came 2nd, scoring 101 goals and let in 50 so again 2:1 but only came 2nd. Where as Klopp's 13-14 season, he also came 2nd scoring 81 goals with 38 goals let in, close to 2:1 again. Joint with Rodgers on this one.
Klopp 14-15 season they scored 47 goals and let in 42, came 7th. Pretty much on par with Rodgers. Klopp was smart enough to go on sabbatical, Rodgers should've been sacked after a 6-1 defeat.
So recent history suggest he and Rodgers are on par. Look back further and Klopp has 2 titles under his belt. So, if he comes to Liverpool, then let's hope his sabbatical has replenish his thirst and desire to win the PL otherwise we have Rodgers Mk 2.
Could Carlo be a DOF with Jurgen as manager?
its not xmas yet???
If you're not sure how to respond then your best bet is not to.
Maybe you don't understand it. That's fair enough, I don't expect you to.
Klopp has won titles and proven to be somewhat successful in Europe..
Neither which Rodgers has done..
He has also finished 2nd, 3 times.. Which is feat in itself, given when two of those 2nd place finishes was after Bayern Munich raided the club to take some of his best players..
That happened to Rodgers, and look what happened..
Don't let that fact get in the way. Still, Klopp did well in the CL.
Not sure I'll be taking the advice of someone who gets so hot under the collar that he reads words that aren't there, thanks all the same.
The record is clear.
Took over a mediocre side, built a double title winning team, beating one of the most powerful clubs in Europe.
Kept competing while repeatedly having his best players sold.
Did so with a clear and coherent style.
Competed very well in Europe, challenging the very best, with a fraction of their resources.
What exactly are you trying to prove here?
Right now he's one of the top 5 most respected coaches in Europe.
Maybe he won't live up to that billing, but to suggest there's no basis for him having it is just fucking daft.
I've made no such suggestion, in fact, I welcome him if he comes.
All I've suggested is a note of caution based on the data Hansern posted. His last 2 seasons were very similar to Rodgers and if you look back further he's got a better record. However, let's hope his last 2 seasons and his sabbatical are not an indication of what he'll deliver to Liverpool.
Yes but it's clearly highly misleading because one of those seasons was Rodgers's one absolute outlier, and the other was Klopp's. It's just a pointlessly meaningless comparison to make.
Make a comparison based on the entire relevant data set. Where was BR when Klopp was winning his first title in 2011?
Winning a play-off final with Swansea.
Etc etc.
Every manager has to start somewhere Peter.
I'm comparing top flight football only. Klopp is, what, 6 years older so he's clearly been in the game longer. The point is not the comparison, the point is the trend which has a downward slope (2nd to 7th) so the cautionary note is that, hopefully, it's just a blip and not a norm otherwise we really haven't upgraded managers.
I feel like you want to just sound a note of caution in a general sense. Which is fine, caution is a wise thing to preach. I just don't see a need to supplement that by drawing some spurious parallel between the two of them. It's so weak it actually undermines the general case.
Why? Rodgers has a good season coming 2nd then a terrible one coming 6th. Klopp is the same: 2nd to 7th. One left his position and the other should have as well. It's neither spurious or weak. The evidence is in front of you and cannot be disputed, very much like Klopp's record before those 2 seasons.
I think, like Redninja, you just don't like Rodgers and so anything potentially similar to him you will emotionally reject without acknowledging it. That's ok, he's gone now.
Not that I wouldn't welcome appointing Klopp, but....
I seem to recall an article a while back detailing how Germany set about revitalising their domestic players to again be one of the elite international teams.
The thrust was that all teams, including Bayern had to buy into a process of developing German youth above importing top overseas players.
This period seems to have coincided with Klopp's rise at Dortmund while Bayern stuttered (particularly as a European force).
Since Bayern started flexing their considerable transfer muscle again, it's noticeable that Dortmund have declined again.
I'm suggesting that there were a set of external circumstances that created a situation where Klopp's ability as a manager was able to return maximum reward.
Those circumstances will not be replicated if he is appointed our new manager.
We might, and I stress might, be in for more of the same.
I seem to recall an article a while back detailing how Germany set about revitalising their domestic players to again be one of the elite international teams.
The thrust was that all teams, including Bayern had to buy into a process of developing German youth above importing top overseas players.
This period seems to have coincided with Klopp's rise at Dortmund while Bayern stuttered (particularly as a European force).
Since Bayern started flexing their considerable transfer muscle again, it's noticeable that Dortmund have declined again.
I'm suggesting that there were a set of external circumstances that created a situation where Klopp's ability as a manager was able to return maximum reward.
Those circumstances will not be replicated if he is appointed our new manager.
We might, and I stress might, be in for more of the same.
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