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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42285.msg1198896#msg1198896 date=1287323805]
I'm not naming anyone at all, you hysterical divvy
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keep going ... go on.
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keep going brendan 🙂
[/quote]This might be a bit entrapmenty.
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Surely this one can be waived.
 
put in kenny and gie him the brief of simply avoiding relagation. take stock and then hie the best manager available in the summer.

or simply hire pelligrini
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42285.msg1198943#msg1198943 date=1287324481]
put in kenny and gie him the brief of simply avoiding relagation. take stock and then hie the best manager available in the summer.

or simply hire pelligrini
[/quote]You havnt been listening to me at all have you?
 
Listening isn't neil's strong suit.

Pellegrini was outshone by Roy at interview for the job last summer. No thanks.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42285.msg1198949#msg1198949 date=1287324595]
Listening isn't neil's strong suit.

Pellegrini was outshone by Roy at interview for the job last summer. No thanks.
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Is it wise to use the judgement of those who hired Roy (look at us now) as a reference point?

I don't think Pellegrini is right for us now as he'd more than likely need time to shape the squad, get his ideas across and learn the league, but he's a better manager than Roy.
 
Dunno who the best option for us would be, but I wouldn't be unhappy to have a crack with any of Van Gaal (though I doubt he's going anywhere), Lowe or Holloway (already in the shit and would be the perfect chance to try a guy this 'risky', I honestly think he just has something more than 9/10 managers).
 
Dalglish until the end of the season.

Then get the German boss in.
 
You guys are missing the bigger picture. Hodgson has good experience of relegation battles. You don't just waive that know-how in our position.
 
We could ring Dechamps again, hopefully he'd change his mind now with the new owners and all
 
It's a futile argument asking for a change of manager if you haven't got it right at the top of the club. The current board appointed Hodgson, what makes anyone believe they have the experience to get it right 2nd time? Or do we wait for a 3rd time and appoint Chris Hughton to build a promotion winning side?

For all the criticism of David Moores and Rick Parry in the last decade their record in hiring managers was excellent. The same cannot be said of this board.
 
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42285.msg1199274#msg1199274 date=1287333558]
Terry Francona.

Even he would do better than Roy.
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Terry Wogan would do better than Roy.
 
[quote author=rootkit link=topic=42285.msg1199278#msg1199278 date=1287333655]
It's a futile argument asking for a change of manager if you haven't got it right at the top of the club. The current board appointed Hodgson, what makes anyone believe they have the experience to get it right 2nd time? Or do we wait for a 3rd time and appoint Chris Hughton to build a promotion winning side?

For all the criticism of David Moores and Rick Parry in the last decade their record in hiring managers was excellent. The same cannot be said of this board.
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You WHAT? Souness, Uncle Roy, GH allowed to hang on 18 months too long?

The current board have already proven to be ten times the businessmen that that hapless blancmange Moores and that overstretched accountant Parry could ever be. They've got everything else right, and even this appointment - poor as it's proven to be - was made at a time of severe limitation caused by the late and unlamented Statler and Waldorf. I'd far sooner rely on the current lot's ability to learn from their mistake than I would on the sustained incompetence of their predecessors.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42285.msg1199292#msg1199292 date=1287334189]
[quote author=rootkit link=topic=42285.msg1199278#msg1199278 date=1287333655]
It's a futile argument asking for a change of manager if you haven't got it right at the top of the club. The current board appointed Hodgson, what makes anyone believe they have the experience to get it right 2nd time? Or do we wait for a 3rd time and appoint Chris Hughton to build a promotion winning side?

For all the criticism of David Moores and Rick Parry in the last decade their record in hiring managers was excellent. The same cannot be said of this board.
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You WHAT? Souness, Uncle Roy, GH allowed to hang on 18 months too long?

The current board have already proven to be ten times the businessmen that that hapless blancmange Moores and that overstretched accountant Parry could ever be. They've got everything else right, and even this appointment - poor as it's proven to be - was made at a time of severe limitation caused by the late and unlamented Statler and Waldorf. I'd far sooner rely on the current lot's ability to learn from their mistake than I would on the sustained incompetence of their predecessors.
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but on the specific point he made he's right. in the last decade we appointed houllier and benitez, 2 excellent managers who were both great for the club. if the current board get their next inevitable decision on this front as right as the previous guys did then they'll have done bloody well.

and roy evans was a far better manager for liverpool than hodgson will ever be.
 
Fuck, I thought you had some inside info that we were getting a new manager Redshrek.

You gave me hope for a minute there.
 
Peter - sorry, not convinced. GH was an excellent manager at the start, because he arrested the drift into which we'd slipped under Roy Evans (about whom we'll have to agree to differ - IMO his time as manager showed in various ways that he was an overpromoted no.2) but they kept him on well beyond his sell-by date. The problems they were both appointed to address were, if not entirely caused, certainly needlessly exacerbated by Souness, whom they not only appointed but actively persuaded to stay on when he was initially ready to walk after two years. All in all, I'm afraid I see their record as a lot more mixed than you or rootkit do.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42285.msg1199310#msg1199310 date=1287334900]
but on the specific point he made he's right. in the last decade we appointed houllier and benitez, 2 excellent managers who were both great for the club. if the current board get their next inevitable decision on this front as right as the previous guys did then they'll have done bloody well.
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Thank you. The reason for mentioning Moores and Parry together was to exclude the appointment of Souness and other decisions that have been superseded over a lengthy period. Anyone around long enough would know Parry was not at LFC when Souness was hired.

Judge Jules, as banging a DJ as you are, your judgement is suspect on the footballing achievements of the current board. How do you quantify "10 times better". What is the criteria for this given the topic being discussed is managerial appointments?
 
Rootkit, firstly I was around in Shanks' day so let's get that out of the way from the off.

Secondly, Parry may not have appointed Souness but he didn't get rid of him either. Souness walked of his own accord, after Moores - whom you're also trying to talk up - had persuaded him to stay the first time he offered to go, prompting at least one other board member to resign in disgust.

Thirdly, the relevance of my comment on the current board re their business acumen was, and is, that they've demonstrated far better judgment than their predecessors in one football-related area (witness the vastly improved sponsorship deal and commercial operations generally) so over the long term I'm more inclined to trust it in another than I would have been with their predecessors, neither of whom BTW was from a footballing background either.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42285.msg1198896#msg1198896 date=1287323805]
I'm not naming anyone at all, you hysterical divvy
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keep going ... go on.
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*cringe*
 
JJ> but parry wasn't there when souness or evans was appointed, was he? tbh i'm not even sure if he was there when GH was appointed.

and i disagree that they were obviously in the wrong to give GH time. you say 18 months too long: you realise that would've been 6 months after we'd finished 2nd? i think that would've been pretty harsh, personally.
 
Dalglish as caretaker until the end of the season.

Work towards Jorgi Loeuw, Rijkaard or. Di Matteo. Alternatively let Kenny carry on depending on his performance.

After watching WBA, I'd punt on Di Matteo.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42285.msg1199377#msg1199377 date=1287337513]
JJ> but parry wasn't there when souness or evans was appointed, was he? tbh i'm not even sure if he was there when GH was appointed.

and i disagree that they were obviously in the wrong to give GH time. you say 18 months too long: you realise that would've been 6 months after we'd finished 2nd? i think that would've been pretty harsh, personally.
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Parry didn't arrive until 1997, but I didn't think rootkit was restricting his comments to appointments made jointly by him and Moores.

Letting GH go then would have been harsh, yes, but those 6 months took in our worst run for 50 years, until this season anyway >🙁, when the players looked as utterly cheesed off as they do now. It'll also be harsh to get rid of Roy after so few games, but I'd still do it.
 
Emery or Di Matteo. Young hungry managers that understand how todays football works.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42285.msg1199402#msg1199402 date=1287338822]
Emery or Di Matteo. Young hungry managers that understand how todays football works.
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*high fives Hansern*
 
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