Nemeth "I've fallen in love with AEK"

[El Pistolero]

Looks like Nemeth may want to stay in Greece. This is what annoys me with Benitez we get these youngsters in and they never get a chance. Nemeth has looked quality didn't even get a sniff at he bench during his time here. Same for patcheco just put him on the bench and throw him on for the last ten minutes if the team are winning. Then we can see if they cut the mustard. God when was the last time we seen a youngster thrown in to see if he can do it. Must of been Owen against wimbledon, how old was he 16 -17.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_5733173,00.html

Krisztian Nemeth admits that he would seriously think about making his loan move to AEK Athens permanent.

The Liverpool forward is on a season-long loan and after two seasons at Anfield without any first-team opportunities is considering his options.

Despite injury disrupting his time on Merseyside the 20-year-old is seemingly enjoying a change of fortune in Greece having scored three goals in seven league games.

AEK have endured an inconsistent start to the season and currently sit sixth in the Greek Super League, 14 points off leaders Panathinaikos.

"The fans keep telling me that AEK is a great club," he said.

"They're really impressive and certainly more enthusiastic than Liverpool's. What I experienced at the derby with Olympiakos (in which Nemeth scored) was something that I've never felt before.

"I really wondered what the fans would be able to do if we performed better in the league. I think that if Liverpool and AEK work something out, I'd be extremely thoughtful about staying in Athens permanently."

Nemeth added that just because AEK were struggling in the league would not put him off signing permanently.

"It never crossed my mind to ask terminating my loan deal due to AEK's bad performance," he stated.

"Certainly, we should be better. I'm sure that we'll get better and along with the team, I'll improve myself too. I've fallen in love with Greece and AEK's fans."

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Insua

 

[Ryan]

Hic neck and face are really long.

He looks like Deirdre Rashid Barlow whatever.

 

[gkmacca]

Come on! Owen wasn't given a chance to see what he'd do. He was knocking the damn door down. Benitez has given nemeth the chance to get invaluable experience every week. He wasn't ready for that here. Look at how fans turned on Spearing after a couple of poor matches. The kid's been dismissed by many. Nemeth will come back ready or he'll leave and we'll get a good fee.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

I was just going to post this myself.

When will we learn to stop loaning out starlets to viable teams.
They move there , find they are apreciated by the club and fans, and decide to stay.
If they want to stay we are fucked because their heart is elsewhere and it then makes our bargaining position very poor.

regards

 

[El Pistolero]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37533.msg1002090#msg1002090 date=1259536379]
Come on! Owen wasn't given a chance to see what he'd do. He was knocking the damn door down. Benitez has given nemeth the chance to get invaluable experience every week. He wasn't ready for that here. Look at how fans turned on Spearing after a couple of poor matches. The kid's been dismissed by many. Nemeth will come back ready or he'll leave and we'll get a good fee.
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But i think this is the problem with Benitez, he doesn't trust youngsters he likes to send them here there and everywhere for invaluable experience which hinders there developement, they are training with lesser quality staff and players. I don't think any of Benitezs youngsters that have been out on loan have ever made the first team. Instead of sending them out, give them a try out in team thats how you know if they are ready. I would not want to lose Nemeth at all from what i have seen he seems to be a very good player. But by sending players out on loan and showing that you don't give yougsters a chance in the team demotivates and potentially stops the club from attracting the best young players.

 

[gkmacca]

I'm not going to repeat what I said in another thread about this, because I'm too tired, but this isn't why the whole academy and reserve team set-ups were re-vamped, it's not why Dalglish was brought in, it's not why McParland was brought in and it's not why Segura was brought in.

 

[darkstarexodus]

[quote author=Nemeth link=topic=37533.msg1002086#msg1002086 date=1259536091]
"They're really impressive and certainly more enthusiastic than Liverpool's. What I experienced at the derby with Olympiakos (in which Nemeth scored) was something that I've never felt before.
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No one going to comment on this?

 

[refugee]

[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=37533.msg1002094#msg1002094 date=1259537207]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37533.msg1002090#msg1002090 date=1259536379]
Come on! Owen wasn't given a chance to see what he'd do. He was knocking the damn door down. Benitez has given nemeth the chance to get invaluable experience every week. He wasn't ready for that here. Look at how fans turned on Spearing after a couple of poor matches. The kid's been dismissed by many. Nemeth will come back ready or he'll leave and we'll get a good fee.
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But i think this is the problem with Benitez, he doesn't trust youngsters he likes to send them here there and everywhere for invaluable experience which hinders there developement, they are training with lesser quality staff and players. I don't think any of Benitezs youngsters that have been out on loan have ever made the first team. Instead of sending them out, give them a try out in team thats how you know if they are ready. I would not want to lose Nemeth at all from what i have seen he seems to be a very good player. But by sending players out on loan and showing that you don't give yougsters a chance in the team demotivates and potentially stops the club from attracting the best young players.

[/quote]

Via a combination of injuries and bad form Nemeth seemed to regress last season and was in no way deserving of a first team place. Loaning him out seems to have revitilised his career and whether that results in him coming back and making the first team or just raising his selling price it will probably justify the decision to let him go.

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=37533.msg1002107#msg1002107 date=1259538119]
[quote author=Nemeth link=topic=37533.msg1002086#msg1002086 date=1259536091]
"They're really impressive and certainly more enthusiastic than Liverpool's. What I experienced at the derby with Olympiakos (in which Nemeth scored) was something that I've never felt before.
[/quote]

No one going to comment on this?
[/quote]

It doesn't suit certain people's current agenda.

 

[keniget]

As said above, Nemeth did not deserve a shot last season based on his form for the reserves. His injury at the start of the season really fucked him over as he came back really sluggish and struggled badly for confidence.

Anyways, I really don't care about some fluff piece in which Nemeth is giving his fans what they want to hear. If Rafa gives him any kind of indication that he's wanted back at Anfield, he'll be out of there like a shot.

 

[themn]

Adam Hammil scored again yesterday.

*sobs*

 

[El Pistolero]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37533.msg1002114#msg1002114 date=1259538312]
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=37533.msg1002107#msg1002107 date=1259538119]
[quote author=Nemeth link=topic=37533.msg1002086#msg1002086 date=1259536091]
"They're really impressive and certainly more enthusiastic than Liverpool's. What I experienced at the derby with Olympiakos (in which Nemeth scored) was something that I've never felt before.
[/quote]

No one going to comment on this?
[/quote]

It doesn't suit certain people's current agenda.
[/quote]

I just want to point out that I don't have an agenda against Benitez in fact i still have some faith in the man. It maybe small but there is still some left. I just wanted to make the point that in general his way of handling youngsters is pretty poor. It is a bit of a daft thing to say but to be fair to Nemeth he's never had an experience of playing in front of the Kop so he can't really comment. That may change when he comes back but I doubt it.

 

[gkmacca]

I didn't mean you. But I'd urge you to look at the changes that have occurred since last summer. There's now a real eagerness to get players through the system and into the first team, whilst also trying to manage the first team. For all the problems with the club, I just don't think it's fair to dismiss this.

 

[El Pistolero]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37533.msg1002135#msg1002135 date=1259539373]
I didn't mean you. But I'd urge you to look at the changes that have occurred since last summer. There's now a real eagerness to get players through the system and into the first team, whilst also trying to manage the first team. For all the problems with the club, I just don't think it's fair to dismiss this.
[/quote]

I just wanted to point it out i don't think i've shown my opinons on here before about him.

Time will tell, and hopefully it does work because the way the club is going at the minute we may become more reliant on these changes.

 

[gkmacca]

It's happening more inside the club than it is among the fans. Among some of the fans we get crap like 'Spearing, Spearing, they must give Spearing a chance!'/'Well, Spearing was awful, terrible, a disgrace, he won't ever cut it, he should never have been played,..' etc etc.

 

[SummerOnions]

Fans are fickle bastards, as they'll always be.

The only way to shut them up you'd think, is win.

Apparently substance without style is bad too.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I've noticed lately that people cite the youth set up as one of Rafa's positives. Is it really any better than what was there before?

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Sheik (Loki) Yerbouti link=topic=37533.msg1002158#msg1002158 date=1259540636]
I've noticed lately that people cite the youth set up as one of Rafa's positives. Is it really any better than what was there before?
[/quote]

Are you seriously asking that Sheik?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah. I'm not someone who follows the youth teams and ressies. I've noticed...errr.....Insua who seems ok, hardly a world beater. Who else is there?

 

[Ryan]

Well, off the top of my head, here's those that have broken through into first team squad's of late...

Insua
N'gog
Kelly
Ayala
Plessis
Spearing

All of whom, bar Spearing & Plessis prob, have acquitted themselves quite well.

Aside form them, there's an absolute host of supposedly quality youngsters not far off doing likewise. Someone who watches the ressies more than me can list them, but there are quite a few. In addition to that, I'd say the value of some of these youngsters has grown considerably. What did we pay for N'gog, Insua, Ayala and Pacheco? Cos we'd be able to bring in absolutely millions for them right now.

When you compare that to what Rafa inherited when he first walked in, it's staggering. Was there even one youngster from those days that made the breakthrough cos I can't think of one. It exemplifies how bad things were that those great hopes of the bygone days - Welsh, Partridge, Ostemobor can these days barely get off the bench for their Championship Clubs.

Our youth/Academy set-up has improved enormously mate.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Nice one. So which one is the next Gerrard, Owen or Carragher?

 

[Ryan]

To be honest, someone who matches a bit more of them than I do (Ken, Macca, KHL) can give you a better answer than me.

I'm not sure if there are any superstars in there, but there's far less dross than there used to be.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37533.msg1002183#msg1002183 date=1259542028]

I'm not sure if there are any superstars in there, but there's far less dross than there used to be.

[/quote]

*Thumbs up*

 

[gareth_thomas]

[quote author=Sheik (Loki) Yerbouti link=topic=37533.msg1002185#msg1002185 date=1259542106]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37533.msg1002183#msg1002183 date=1259542028]

I'm not sure if there are any superstars in there, but there's far less dross than there used to be.

[/quote]

*Thumbs up*
[/quote]

The results of the reserves may not have improved but the overall technique shown is amazing. We have a young and fit Forsell in Valle. We have Luis Garcia in Pacheco. The magic and the tragic. Eccelston reminds me of Collymore. Buchtmann of a young Behrami. They certainly have potential.. considering our greatest hopes were Welsh and Mellor its a MASSIVE improvement.

We have local lads learning with foreign players and surely this will only improve their abilities to become proffesional footballers in the future.. its a world game now and expecially in the premiership. For English players to continue to thrive they must improve their technique and composure on the ball and im sure the defensive awareness of Wisdom and Kelly will have improved by playing with skillful players who are more than capable of turning them inside and out..

 

[gareth_thomas]

On the Nemeth situation.. any chance he has been misquoted?

Hungarian into Greek into English... highly likely a few words may have been mixed up.

I can see why he is being very enthusiastic and positive about the club but surely nobody is stupid enough to say that the fans are better at his loan club than the club that owns his contract. Even Prince Phillip would have the sense to not say that.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37533.msg1002171#msg1002171 date=1259541428]
Well, off the top of my head, here's those that have broken through into first team squad's of late...

Insua
N'gog
Kelly
Ayala
Plessis
Spearing

All of whom, bar Spearing & Plessis prob, have acquitted themselves quite well.

Aside form them, there's an absolute host of supposedly quality youngsters not far off doing likewise. Someone who watches the ressies more than me can list them, but there are quite a few. In addition to that, I'd say the value of some of these youngsters has grown considerably. What did we pay for N'gog, Insua, Ayala and Pacheco? Cos we'd be able to bring in absolutely millions for them right now.

When you compare that to what Rafa inherited when he first walked in, it's staggering. Was there even one youngster from those days that made the breakthrough cos I can't think of one. It exemplifies how bad things were that those great hopes of the bygone days - Welsh, Partridge, Ostemobor can these days barely get off the bench for their Championship Clubs.

Our youth/Academy set-up has improved enormously mate.
[/quote]

Whilst agreeing that I think the youth set up is better, I think we should avoid the idea that N'gog is a product of it , he was brought at the start of last season and went straight into the first team squad.
Oh and I think we could probably include Stephen Warnock as a decent graduate.
The philosophy of the academy is different now, we are trawling Europe for young talent that has already been recognised, and paying accordingly , as opposed to the original philosophy of the academy that we bring youngsters in as schoolboys and develop them.
I think both the old regime and the present one, need to take more of a chance on occasions with some of the youngsters, particularly the likes of Nemeth, Pacheco and Eccleston, sometimes you don't know how good they may or may not be until they are dropped in the deep end


regards

 

[keniget]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37533.msg1002154#msg1002154 date=1259540342]
It's happening more inside the club than it is among the fans. Among some of the fans we get crap like 'Spearing, Spearing, they must give Spearing a chance!'/'Well, Spearing was awful, terrible, a disgrace, he won't ever cut it, he should never have been played,..' etc etc.
[/quote]

The whole Spearing episode was pretty cringeworthy and I'm glad you brought it up... not that anyone will take any notice of it.

 

[dossena]

Spearing was pretty awful though Keniget to be fair.

Even the hapless Plessis looked better than him against Arsenal. I don't think Jay would make a decent Championship player either.

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=37533.msg1002328#msg1002328 date=1259574043]
The philosophy of the academy is different now, we are trawling Europe for young talent that has already been recognised, and paying accordingly , as opposed to the original philosophy of the academy that we bring youngsters in as schoolboys and develop them.




[/quote]

That's rather misleading. While there's a readiness to bring in good prospects from abroad - which actually was always there in principle - one of the resons for Segura coming in last summer was to revive the practice of recruiting local talent and developing them. Here's Segura discussing his aims for the academy:

New Academy technical manager Pep Segura has a vision for the club’s youngsters, one that he hopes will provide the first-team with a Scouse heartbeat in the future.

The former Barcelona youth coach is one of the many new faces that arrived at the Academy in the summer, his mandate; to bring through local youngsters who will one day make an impact at first-team level.

Working alongside Reds legend Kenny Dalglish, Academy director Frank McParland and under-18s coach Rodolfo Borrell, his aim is simple - to produce the Robbie Fowler's, the Steve McManaman's and the Steven Gerrard's of this world on a more regular basis.

Here, he tells Liverpoolfc.tv all about his hopes for 09-10 and beyond.





First of all Pep, welcome to Liverpool Football Club. How have you settled into life in England?

At the moment, I have to admit I do not know too much about Liverpool as a place. I have been here before, but that was a long time ago, so I'm looking forward to learning more about the city now. Since arriving at the club I have put all my time and effort into what's best for the Academy, so I haven't been out that much. I'm really pleased to be here and I'm looking forward to the season ahead.

Was it an easy decision for you to come to Liverpool's Academy? You enjoyed great success as a first-team coach in Greece, didn't you?

Yes, it easy because I spoke to Rafa and I like the vision he has for Academy. I worked with Rodolfo for a long time at Barcelona and we are really looking forward to this new challenge. Hopefully in time we can help bring through young players for Liverpool's first-team. Obviously working with youngsters is very different to dealing with first-team professionals but, for me, this is an interesting job and one I am focused on doing well in.

What do you hope to achieve here at the Academy?

Our first objective is to find the best players available so we can work with them and try to help them make the step up to first-team level. We want the same mentality in all the coaches so that the players are used to playing the same system and style as the first-team. We want the players to show progress each year and hope to get good, young English players through the ranks.


What do you think of the new Academy set-up? Did you already know Kenny Dalglish and Frank McParland?

Like I say, I have worked many years with Rodolfo and we are very confident we can be successful here. I am getting to know Kenny. He is a legend, not just in Liverpool but in the football world in general. I am also looking forward to working alongside Frankie. He is a fantastic person and has already shown that he has faith in our work.

Can you tell Liverpoolfc.tv readers about your background?

I started out as teacher of physical education at Lleida University before joining Barcleona to work in their youth system. After a few years there I went back to Lleida before leaving Spain for a job in Greece. I was the coach of AEK Athens and later went on to enjoy success with Olympiakos. Now I am here and hope to do my best to ensure Liverpool has a bright future.

What would you regard as a successful first season at the Academy?

I have a lot of confidence in Rodolfo. I know we will work hard and do the best for the youngsters. In football, people often associate improvement and success with winning. I think this is important but for me, the most important thing is to progress. If we look five years down the line we want these players to be in the first-team of Liverpool Football Club. It's not about short-term success. We want to ensure Liverpool have a bright future. You have to decide whether winning the under-18 championship is more important than providing one player for the first-team. We would like to do both, but we know that the first-team is the priority.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/archivedirs/features/2009/aug/FN14966090822-0743.htm