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NBA Thread 2012-2013

Teams in San Antonio's position last night, up 5 with 21 seconds to go, win the game over 98% of the time according to some ESPN stat geeks. Just sickening. And to make it worse the Spurs put it all on the line, I have a feeling game 7 will be a blowout in Miami's favor, the Spurs are about out of gas.
 
Teams in San Antonio's position last night, up 5 with 21 seconds to go, win the game over 98% of the time according to some ESPN stat geeks. Just sickening. And to make it worse the Spurs put it all on the line, I have a feeling game 7 will be a blowout in Miami's favor, the Spurs are about out of gas.


Yep. Parker was blowing out his ringpiece in that last qtr and Ginobili's done.
 
Its a shame, the ESPN crew that comments at half time said after the game that the NBA had already moved out the trophy and platform to get ready for the ceremony.

I did not notice on TV, but apparently quite a few Heat fans left early, and when they found out the game was going in their favor they tried to get back in. Unfortunately for them, security would not let them back in the arena. They made such a ruckus the police were dispatched. Plastic fans, just like their plastic team.
 
Its a shame, the ESPN crew that comments at half time said after the game that the NBA had already moved out the trophy and platform to get ready for the ceremony.

I did not notice on TV, but apparently quite a few Heat fans left early, and when they found out the game was going in their favor they tried to get back in. Unfortunately for them, security would not let them back in the arena. They made such a ruckus the police were dispatched. Plastic fans, just like their plastic team.


Yeah we get the same ESPN production here. Simmons has been a great addition.
 
MIAMI -- The Heat's star players have a message for fans who were stuck outside AmericanAirlines Arena after leaving before Miami rallied to an overtime victory in Game 6 against San Antonio: Wait for the buzzer next time.

"For all those guys who left, make sure you don't come to Game 7," center Chris Bosh deadpanned before the team's practice session Wednesday. "We only want the guys who are going to stay in the building for the whole game. You never give up. People gave up on us. They can stay where they are and watch the game at home."

Heat players and coach Erik Spoelstra said Wednesday they saw television news footage of dejected fans filing out of the arena late Tuesday night as the Spurs appeared to be on their way to a championship-clinching win in Game 6.

Miami trailed 94-89 when 3-pointers from LeBron James and Ray Allen in the final 20 seconds forced overtime in one of the most thrilling finishes in NBA Finals history. Many fans who left the arena didn't see either shot, and most were outside it when they heard about the two huge shots over the loudspeaker radio broadcast.

James empathized with the fickle fans.

"I apologize to our fans from last night," James said lightheartedly Wednesday, a day after the Heat's 103-100 win forced a decisive Game 7 on Thursday night. "But -- that's why the game is played all the way to the zeros. As a fan, and people watching at home, I know it had to -- wow -- it had to do a lot to them."

James went on to have one of the best playoff games of his career, finishing with 32 points, 11 assists and 10 rebounds for his fourth career triple-double in the Finals. James joked Wednesday that he appreciates the anxiety his team subjects its fans to during intense games. Miami had trailed by as many as 13 points late in the third quarter, and the Spurs seemed on their way to a fifth NBA title.

Even arena and league officials had began to rope off the court in the final minute of the game in preparation for the postgame trophy presentation for the Spurs. Heat players said they drew a bit of motivation from those moments.

Fans and league officials weren't the only ones who were on the verge of giving up on the Heat prematurely.

"I just know in my household, my wife was like, 'Would you please stop doing that to me?'" James said, referring to longtime fiancee Savannah Brinson and their two young sons. "My mother-in-law, even my sons, they were like, 'Oh my God. You guys just lost and won at the same time.'"

Heat guard Dwyane Wade said he understands how the team's inconsistent play can drive fans nuts. But Wade gave fans a pass for trying to beat the traffic and for not wanting to see the Spurs celebrate on the Heat's home court much like the Dallas Mavericks did after beating Miami in Game 6 of the 2011 Finals.

"It's hard to be a fan," Wade said. "I get nervous and frustrated when I watch my son play in his games. But you'd rather be in this moment than not be in this moment. I heard about what happened with some of our fans the other night. But it's OK. I welcome them back with open arms."

Much like James, Wade had only one request for Game 7.

"Just stay a little longer," he said. "Stick with us. It's all good."
 
Its a shame, the ESPN crew that comments at half time said after the game that the NBA had already moved out the trophy and platform to get ready for the ceremony.

I did not notice on TV, but apparently quite a few Heat fans left early, and when they found out the game was going in their favor they tried to get back in. Unfortunately for them, security would not let them back in the arena. They made such a ruckus the police were dispatched. Plastic fans, just like their plastic team.
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/201...13-chris-bosh-miami-heat-fans-watch-game-home
 
Andy Carroll could do it.

I realise you're joking but he couldn't.

He's much smaller., lighter and less athletic than most of the players mentioned. Football is in the dark ages when it comes to physical preparation.
 
I realise you're joking but he couldn't.

He's much smaller., lighter and less athletic than most of the players mentioned. Football is in the dark ages when it comes to physical preparation.


He's the same height as Westbrook!
 
Fuck's sake Danny Green, couldn't buy a shot tonight. Battier, on the other hand.

Heart-breaking stuff for Duncan with that miss.
 
Dunno.

Lebron's career's not over yet, and the gap is nowhere near as large as you make out. He's marked very hard.
 
Dunno.

Lebron's career's not over yet, and the gap is nowhere near as large as you make out. He's marked very hard.

Jordan won 6 NBA Champsionships ... Go watch those games and see how every game, Jordan demanded the game and never took nights off. He never got to game 7 for a reason, and the NBA was a far far more phyiscal game back then. LeBron this series showed what makes him different - guarding Parker etc - but also showed why he's never going to reach Jordan (unless you compare him by stats alone) with some of the games where he was just average ("no gas in the tank" supposedly - remember Jordan's performance against Utah where he really had no gas in the tank? That says it all)
 
Their stats are similar mate, and as you say - Jordan wasn't doing it on defense like LeBron does. As for "demanding the game"? Well LeBron hit a career high 16 points in the 4th of game 6 to force over-time, and 37 & 12 tonight in game 7. If that's not clutch, doing it when it counts, demanding the game, and showing up when it counts I dunno what is.

I'm not arguing LeBron's his equal or better, but they're not the "million miles off" you declare it being.
 
Their stats are similar mate, and as you say - Jordan wasn't doing it on defense like LeBron does. As for "demanding the game"? Well LeBron hit a career high 16 points in the 4th of game 6 to force over-time, and 37 & 12 tonight in game 7. If that's not clutch, doing it when it counts, demanding the game, and showing up when it counts I dunno what is.

I'm not arguing LeBron's his equal or better, but they're not the "million miles off" you declare it being.

I didn't say that - LeBron's a phenomenal physical specimen and that allows him to do things Jordan struggled to do. But Jordan shut down most players who played against him (Like LeBron, he wanted the best players on the other team) and was one of the most feared defensive players of his generation (I'm sure he won defensive player of the year once too - which is quite an accomplishment tbf for a player who was doing what he was doing offensively).

PPG wise, Jordan hit 37+ once - think about that, thirty seven points per game for a WHOLE SEASON!... and averaged 30+ for his career with the Bulls. That is fucking incredible, considering LeBron has only hit 30 points per game during his career twice, and will probably never do it again.

Enough commentators etc have raised the issue about LeBron shying away from taking games over in THIS series. You talk about game 6, but the Spurs blew that game more than LeBron won it (as you said earlier in this thread). Game 7 he was fantastic, but game 7? Remember how many of those Jordan faced in his 6 championships?

Jordan is in a different class mate - it's not close, not close at all.
 
I wanted the Spurs to win but I'm okay seeing Lebron do what he does.

It's stupid to try to talk him down. In offensive stats he's slightly behind Jordan, but defensively he's miles ahead because of his ability to defend anyone and how well he can do it. I don't think Jordan ever had to defend like Lebron who regularly defends the oppositions best player regardless of what position they play.
 
I'm not sure you're being entirely fair with the comparison here LTW, and I'm not a LeBron fan.

Jordan was a scoring guard, LeBron is a point forward. Massive difference in the kind of players they are.

Shawn Kemp's body with Magic Johnson's skills if you will. Jordan has the edge on scoring clearly and individual perimeter defense, but LeBron trumps on playmaking and defensive versatility. More relevant comparisons will be Magic and Bird, and I think LeBron will have surpassed them once his career is over.

2 rings already, and he's only 28. You have to expect another 3-4 rings as well, given the lack of competition around. In fact, if there's going to be one knock against him, it's going to be that he never really faced any elite competition.

Regardless, he'll go down as amongst the top 3 in the GOAT list, and if gets more than 6 rings, there'll be a fair few who'll call him the GOAT as well.
 
In offensive stats he's slightly behind Jordan, but defensively he's miles ahead because of his ability to defend anyone and how well he can do it.

I don't get the need for the "It's stupid to try to talk him down" comment - but will try, nonetheless, to have a rational debate with you.

Uuuuh 'slightly behind'? Have you seen Jordan's scoring stats? And because Jordan frame couldn't handle guarding bigger players is now being held against him? That's a bit ridiculous considering he's always been considered an excellent defensive player:

Jordan: 1.5 steals per game & 0.5 blocks per game for his career
James: 1.7 steals per game & 0.8 blocks per game for his career

I also don't think LeBron will ever win defensive player of the year ...Something Jordan did.

1) Shawn Kemp's body with Magic Johnson's skills if you will.
2) LeBron trumps on playmaking and defensive versatility.
3) More relevant comparisons will be Magic and Bird, and I think LeBron will have surpassed them once his career is over.
4) Given the lack of competition around. In fact, if there's going to be one knock against him, it's going to be that he never really faced any elite competition.
5) Regardless, he'll go down as amongst the top 3 in the GOAT list

1) Great way to look at it
2) LeBron - who handles the ball far more than Jordan ever did, only averages one more assist per game in his career than Jordan. Don't think Jordan was as creative a force as LeBron passing wise, who I see as similar to Magic (as you alluded to earlier).
3) I think he will do more than both those players - except being as great a trash talker as Bird.
4) Ding Ding Ding
5) I don't think I've said he's not elite etc ... I just don't think he's in Jordan's class - which is not saying he's bad!
 
I wanted the Spurs to win but I'm okay seeing Lebron do what he does.

It's stupid to try to talk him down. In offensive stats he's slightly behind Jordan, but defensively he's miles ahead because of his ability to defend anyone and how well he can do it. I don't think Jordan ever had to defend like Lebron who regularly defends the oppositions best player regardless of what position they play.
The miles ahead on defense for LeBron is again not a fair comparison.

Jordan was a guard, Lebron's a small forward. Jordan guarded 1s and 2s. LeBron guards 4 positions on the floor, because that's what you know, good defensive small forwards are supposed to do. I think LeBron gets overrated on defense because of how good he is overall as a player. What LeBron does in terms of defending 4 positions isn't entirely unique. Shawn Marion does it, Josh Smith does it, Nicolas Batum does it, Al-Farouq Aminu does it and there are a few others who can do the same as well. How are they compared to LeBron? Marion's and Smith's career defensive stats are actually better than LeBron's, and neither have LeBron's brute strength. Yet you don't hear anyone talking them up for the DPOY. It's part of the NBA's superstar culture to big up the defense of people like LeBron (and even Jordan and Kobe for that matter).

This isn't to take away from LeBron's defensive impact which is phenomenal, but the point is he isn't the most unique or best defensive player to have played basketball by any stretch of imagination. He's a product of his time - where there's less emphasis on man defense and more on zone defense, and consequently his best attributes - versatility, quickness, playing the passing lanes, and weakside defense translate into tremendous defensive impact.

Does that make him a better defender than Jordan? It's difficult to say - Jordan, as a guard, could not, and was not never expected to guard 4 positions. He was however expected to guard 2 positions, which he did with aplomb. He was also a product of an era where teams the level of competition was so tough that teams couldn't get away by playing zone defense. Jordan's man defense was superb, and I think it'll be fair to say that in terms of perimeter checking, full-court pressing, post-entry denials, and pure ball-hawking, he was superior to LeBron. LeBron's versatility is a big edge for him of course, but you'll never be able to make a right comparison given the difference in the league's level of competition and style of play now.
 
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