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NBA Thread 2012-2013

KG is all talk, very overrated player.

Also Ryan, Houston already has James Harden so if they landed Howard, they may not need much more.


They'll need another power forward in 12 months time when Howard is fucked off to somewhere else.
 
Wow, some finish to regular time. Bosh coming up with the biggest rebound of his career and Ray Allen draining yet another huge 3.
 
Heat win.

Some huge foul calls not given in OT, in particular on Ginobili's drive to the basket. Home court calls right there.
 
Refs missed two pretty obvious fouls at the end - one on Ginobil as he drove whent hey were down by one and Bosh's 'block' of Green was a foul too. That being said, Ryan is spot on ... You don't blow those kind of leads in Game 6 ... They're going to need to be at their best for Game 7 just to keep this close as Miami will have renewed belief.

This series I think highlights the vast gulf between James and Jordan ...
 
Meh, the refereeing was a two way street for me. Consistently inconsistent. The same play with Battier attempting to take a charge was a no call, then a charge, then a block.

Heat could have argued that Allen was fouled on the three-point shot at the end of regulation, Parker didn't give him space to land.

In the end, makes for a very interesting Game 7 though.
 
Refs missed two pretty obvious fouls at the end - one on Ginobil as he drove whent hey were down by one and Bosh's 'block' of Green was a foul too.

I can't believe Bosh even thought about getting that close to Green never mind jumping into him and blocking him. He got very lucky.
 
ince 1985, we've seen seven other 2-3-2 Finals in which the home team hosted Game 6 while trailing 3-2. Here are the relevant data points …
• No home team ever won Game 6, then lost Game 7.2
 
That miss by Kawhi Leonard at the FT line was big. Huge clutch three by Allen though. Without his feet set.
 
Garnett may be a 'tough defender' and 'tough personality' on the court, but he's never ever been a player to go at a player with his back to the basket ... In theory, Griffin could best learn from players who no longer play today (Sir Charles, Malone etc)
Uh, mate, KG at Minnesota used to bang low, and had an excellent repertoire of post skills which McHale had taught him. He started shying away from doing that over the course of his career, but to say that he had no back to the basket skills is pretty wrong. Griffing on the other hand is pretty much a face-up PF at this point regardless of his superiority in strength.
 
Uh, mate, KG at Minnesota used to bang low, and had an excellent repertoire of post skills which McHale had taught him. He started shying away from doing that over the course of his career, but to say that he had no back to the basket skills is pretty wrong. Griffing on the other hand is pretty much a face-up PF at this point regardless of his superiority in strength.

I remember watching Garnett as an 18 year old for the Wolves - I remember his 40 point explosion (it was more than 40, I think 44 but can't remember). And one thing that always stuck out to me is he'd have been even greater if he'd posted up more. His post up skills - if I remember correctly - were never 'bang it down,' it was a quick hook, or a quick turn around j etc ... It's why he never averaged 25 ppg - even when he was the go to go most years (even with Steph) - because he relied on his J more than the post.
 
Mate, KG put up 20+ points 8 seasons in a row. You don't do that purely being a face-up player. It's been always been a knock against him that he shied away from the post, but IMO it's always been more down to willingness rather than lack of skill. His footwork on the block, right hand jump hook, and pivot and turnaround J were outstanding. Not to mention his post passing, which is elite.

Even Duncan who's considered an elite post player has averaged 25 ppg only once in his career.
 
Mate, KG put up 20+ points 8 seasons in a row. You don't do that purely being a face-up player. It's been always been a knock against him that he shied away from the post, but IMO it's always been more down to willingness rather than lack of skill. His right hand jump hook, and pivot and turnaround J were outstanding.

Even Duncan who's considered an elite post player has averaged 25 ppg only once in his career.

Well, I think that's what I said, "he's never ever been a player to go at a player with his back to the basket" ... His body type didn't allow him to dominate games and reach an even higher level.

As for Duncan, I think the difference is that KG was the star who had to carry the team while Duncan was just the star who had an excellent supportin cast where he wasn't relied on every night to carry the team (did he ever average 40 minutes a game? Even in his prime, they managed him excellently). That being said, I'm rather positive if we look at their shooting %s, we'd see Duncan's was better most years (and career wise). That being said, both are excellent players and I can't believe they're 37 and both near the end.
 
The death of post players in the NBA is pretty sad. There'll be none once KG and Duncan retire.

Other than Bynum and Cousins, who're both complete headcases.
 
Big Al Jefferson is also very skilled in the post, but he's such a non-entity on defense that it's not worth considering him.
 
The death of post players in the NBA is pretty sad. There'll be none once KG and Duncan retire.

Other than Bynum and Cousins, who're both complete headcases.

I love what Cousins could be - but he's not sane as you say. It's a pity.

I've always liked Bynum and I actually think he's normal - he just hasn't been given a chance to be a dominating post up player, be it due to system or injury. I think he could still blossom though.

As for the death ... yah ... but all it takes is one big Shaq wannabe, and others will follow (would be nice to see a Hakeem figure again ... remember that fnals against Orlando? Poor Nick Andersen)
 
Brook Lopez and Pekovic are worth consideration as well, of course.

So Lopez, Pekovic, Bynum, Cousins, Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Jefferson and Howard.

That's basically your line-up of top NBA post players for the next 5 years.

That and a bunch of Euro stiffs and some athletic shot-blockers.

It's pretty ugly. The NBA really needed Oden's knees to be better.
 
Hibbert is more defensive orientated though, despite his playoff heroics. Think about it - the 90s had Ewing, Olajuwon, Mt Mutombo (though he was more like Hibber I guess), O'Neal, Divac (though he was closer to Pau), The Admiral, etc ...
 
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