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Poll M'Vila or not?

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Should we buy M'Vila outright for around €15M?


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rurikbird

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So according to pretty much everybody on twitter, Rubin has rejected the loan offers from Napoli and LFC. Now we need to decide if we want to buy the player outright for around €15M. We are said to be considering our options.

I would be in favor of a loan deal with a buy-out clause. However I have serious concerns about buying M'Vila outright:

1. He allegedly was a client of a prostitute who was 15 at the time, accruing to the phone and text message records seized by police. The legal process is ongoing and there is a possibility that it might eventually go to court. If convicted M'Vila might spend years in jail and his professional career would be finished. If it goes to court and he is not convicted, this could still understandably become a major distraction for him and whatever team he is playing for. Do you really build your team around a player who might be not available and/or mentally fucked up because he has to attend criminal court hearings in another country?

2. M'Vila is currently banned from playing for his national team because of a different incident in which he allegedly organized a night out for several U-21 teammates a couple of days before a decisive play-off match (they subsequently lost the match in which they were clear favorites). For me, this raises serious questions about his character – this seems less like harmless indiscretions of youth and more like a person who just fundamentally doesn't understand the concept of sacrificing a bit of personal pleasure for the sake of the team. Needless to say, this could severely undermine the kind of professional attitude and work ethic that's being instilled at Liverpool by Rodgers. The same media outlets who are now writing glowing scouting reports on M'Vila will happily rip him and our team apart if he ever gets himself into any kind of trouble here in Liverpool. I especially worry about the potential effect on the young Sterling; he doesn't need any bad examples near him.

3. The decision to "flee" to Russia (how else do you describe a potentially world-class French player going to Kazan' at age 22?) raises a few more questions for me. First of all, that the prostitute case is serious enough that him and his advisers thought that he just couldn't stay in Western Europe, that he needed to go somewhere as far as possible. What's more, Kazan' is one of the most secretive and corrupt Russian cities; the club is bankrolled directly by the local "ruler." It's fair to assume that any kind of wild parties or misdemeanors are perfectly OK there if you're one of the stars on the "ruler's" team. There are no nosy journalists digging up trash on the players' behavior; no impartial law enforcement to punish any law-breaking activity regardless of wealth or fame. The reason there were no negative stories coming out of Kazan' about M'Vila is most likely not because of any "maturation" on the part of the player, but simply because no negative stories come out of that place, like, ever. He could have slept with 10 underage girls and killed a man while driving a tractor drunk at night and we would not hear a peep about it. Needless to say, England is pretty much a polar opposite of that environment. If he signs for any team here and avoids the front pages of the tabloids the next 3 months, I'd very (pleasantly) surprised.

In conclusion, I want to say that particularly in Ukraine and Russia I've seen countless players of great talent and promise who could not overcome the temptations of partying and drinking afforded by their sudden wealth, and as a result have thrown away their careers. This is the biggest difference between the West and Eastern Europe; for you in the West the players who were supremely talented but didn't make it due to their own stupidity are mostly the exception; for us it's the rule and the ones who managed their careers with total professionalism are a relatively rare exception. You can't deny that there is a clear difference in the cultures when it comes to work ethic; that's the main explanation for why England or Germany has many more world-class players than Ukraine or Russia (it's not like British or German kids are on average more talented at football, right?). Because I've seen so many of these stories, I might be more attuned to the danger of unprofessionalism and bad attitude than some of you seem to be. I'm not denying than M'Vila is a talent but there is nothing so far in his career that suggests he knows how to manage his talent – so personally, I would stay away if the outright purchase was the only option.

Feel free to disagree with me. The poll is above.
 
Point 3: if he had to flee what makes it ok for him to come back in Western Europe? If the player (and I assume his advisers) reckons it's ok to come back then Point 1 doesn't stand, no?

Point 2 could be problem but there is the possibility that our influential players/manger/staff could get him to be more professional and look after his career, no?








PS I've never seen him play so I've no idea if his talent is worth all the bother.
 
I'm not sure we need him.

With Gerrard, Hendo, Allen and Lucas competing for places in midfield I don't see why there's such an urgency to buy him?

I'd rather we spend the "cash" on a attacking player.
 
Just so that you don't think I'm biased, here is a compilation that showcases him in a good light. You can see for sure that the boy has talent: the passing is at times Alonso-esque and he has good touch and vision. Presumably good work-rate and stamina as well.



I didn't follow him at all at Rubin (like I said, I am not watching Russian Premier League any more), but in a few more recent compilations I've seen, he looks a bit more chubby compared to what he was back in France:



I started looking for pictures to see what he looks like nowadays.

Before his first match for Rubin:
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6 months later:

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The latest dated photo I could find (December 2013):

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Oh, here's one more from yesterday's training session in Dubai:

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OK, the last one might be not him.
 
That's an awful lot of conjecture/assumption to base your 'concerns' on.

What exactly is 'conjecture' there? The criminal investigation, the ban from the national team, the decision to go to Russia at 22: all of these are facts. I think many people here who love the idea of buying a new hot-shit DM for cheap don't know all the facts or didn't quite think through their implications; that's why I wrote this post. Like I said, you're welcome to disagree. And if we do end up buying M'Vila, I'll get behind him like any other Liverpool player. I don't want to see a wasted talent and hope he makes it; I just think that objectively there are lots of areas for concern with M'Vila.
 
Well, perhaps. But the idea the we are going to win a lottery by signing a world-class player on the cheap is also a conjecture, just with the opposite inclination.
 
I'd like to think us having Sakho makes us both a more attractive option, and would keep him more grounded.

Similar to Suarez's clique of Lucas/Coates/Coutinho, or how Maxwell and Ibra seem to always end up together.

Semi-related, I think if we ever sell Coates/Lucas, our chances of retaining Suarez drop massively.
 
This guy has been very highly rated. Isn't Rodgers the one who's been bigged up as a saviour of 'Bad Boys' ? I think he can switch M'Vila onto Choir ...... No ! I didn't say that !
 
Buy him. 12m plus his wages til the end of this season will be offset by us getting in the CL, which will be much more likely with a player of his calibre in the side.

It's very unlikely he'll go to jail, even with charges as serious as these.
 
I asked a similar question in another thread though not in as much detail. The fact that his mate Sakho is here who is also no stranger to being stupid with his career makes it all a bit risky.

I like the idea of signing him but if we do I really hope we've done our homework and Rodgers is prepared.
 
Regards the underage prostitute. Just hire the same legal team that represented Ribery. Sorted.
 
Blanc wanted to build the defensive side of national team around M'Vila and Sakho. Thats how talented he is.

Everything I've read about the prositution scandal has said alleged. Has there been any news since?
The ban from the national team ends this summer. If that night out is suppose to be the decisive incident then we cant try to sign Griezmann either who was also suspended.

Tbh I dont really mind what he has done/or not done in his past as long as he has learned from it and doesnt do it again.
He's another one who has had a tough upbringing:

M’Vila grew up in the banlieue, first in Amiens then in Mantes-la-Jolie. They were tough suburbs. Reflecting on his childhood in SoFoot, M’Vila said: “There were hardly any kids [in my neighbourhood] who weren’t going around stealing things. Without football, I don’t see why I would have done any better than the others. I stole scooters, and wandered the streets after midnight even though I had school the next day.”

It was hard knocks. “Some teachers were afraid to come to school,” he told L’Equipe. Leaving the banlieue and your past behind is easier said than done. “It’s true that with fame you get new friends, new cousins… You need to be really careful,” M’Vila admitted. “Sometimes I’ve been a little too naive… Sometimes I’m just a kid who is living his life.”

Indeed, as his former teammate Jires Kembo mused, perhaps “too much has come too soon” for M’Vila. At 22 he already has 22 caps for France. It”s occasionally forgotten he’s still so young and, relatively speaking, at the beginning of his career.

His talent is extrodinary and he hasnt put a foot wrong in Russia. Moving to Russia could be a decent option to get your life back on track considering the media in England. The 4 mill he was getting after tax probably also helped, and I'm also quite sure it was beacuse no other team than QPR bid for him at the time.
 
I'm not sure we need him.

With Gerrard, Hendo, Allen and Lucas competing for places in midfield I don't see why there's such an urgency to buy him?

I'd rather we spend the "cash" on a attacking player.

Because we need better than lucas and allen.
 
I think Rurik raises some pretty serious concerns. I also think that we're pretty good at managing these sorts of players and I think that Sakho will be a steadying influence. I know Sakho has had his problems too, but I think in the relative isolation of Liverpool (as compared to Paris/ Russia), there will be less temptations. I also think Sakho does have a high level of personal ambition to do well and win trophies. M'Villa (from all reports) is an outstanding midfielder, combative and a terrific passer. As the deeper player in a midfield three, a special understanding with Sakho may be no bad thing either. If the price is right, I think he can be a great signing.
 
A potentially world class footballer, which "big" clubs don't want to touch because of his baggage.

Sounds familiar........so sign, worked last time.......

We're getting lucky with these signings over the last few years ... Suarez ... Coutinho ... sturridge ... Let's make it 4/4 please.
 
I think the biggest point has been made in the first sentence of Rurik's post.

He's. not. coming.

So then, what's the point of talking about him anymore ???
 
I think the biggest point has been made in the first sentence of Rurik's post.

He's. not. coming.

So then, what's the point of talking about him anymore ???

Did I say that? €15M is not much; many clubs would pay that in a heartbeat if they were not concerned about his baggage.

Right now 12 votes "for," 1 "against" – and that was my vote. Bloody typical 🙂
 
@FoxForceFive, watch the highlights of the Wigan game in the post above and tell me if you think M'Vila is doing something that Lucas can't do just as well. I wrote about this before, somehow people think that Lucas is so bad that any decent DM (even if he comes in the middle of the winter vacation in his current league and very possibly out of shape) will make an instant improvement that will guarantee us a top-4 spot. This is pure fantasy.

@hmmmmm1, I don't think you can compare M'Vila with Suarez, who is by all accounts a terrific guy off the pitch and a dedicated professional. Andy Carroll would be a better comparison.

@Hansern, in the national team incident, M'Vila was supposedly the main instigator. That's why he got a much longer ban than Griezmann and the other 2 players. Some people thought he was being made a scapegoat. Don't know who is right, just recounting what I read.
Like I said, the absence of "news" from Russia means absolutely fuck all. Kazan' is a different planet, even compared to Moscow or St. Petersburg.

@athensruairi, in Ribery and Benzema's case, the prostitute was 17 at the time, not 15. I don't know the intricacies of the French criminal law, but to me it seems like the difference in age could matter.
 
I don't think you can compare M'Vila with Suarez, who is by all accounts a terrific guy off the pitch and a dedicated professional. Andy Carroll would be a better comparison.


I think you've got great knowledge of european footballers Rurik, but I do think you get quite emotional in respect of players that you dislike on a personal level. You rabidly denounced the idea of signing Diego Costa for 23m because you hate him. No harm to you, but if we had made that signing we'd probably have the best striking options out of any team in Europe.

It wasn't happening anyway, but by God it would have been brilliant.
 
My main question is is the interest in him because of his (continued good/promising) performances with Rubin Kazan or it is based on past reputation? The likes of Sturridge and Coutinho's main problem was played out of position/lack of playing time. When they had games (@ Bolton and Espanyol respectively), they showed what they can do/achieve.
 
By all acounts, I dont how many guys know this but Lucas is not a problem. Just watch Oldham game and as soon as Gerrard comes off...it was relatively easy for us to break down their attacks with the midfield of Hendo and Lucas. After all this, I would still say if this is an opportunity to get a player such as M'villa we should get him and present another prostitute for him in the deal
 
By all acounts, I dont how many guys know this but Lucas is not a problem. Just watch Oldham game and as soon as Gerrard comes off...it was for us to break down their attacks with the midfield of Hendo and Lucas. After all this, I would still say if this is an opportunity to get a player such as M'villa we should get him and present another prostitute for him in the deal
Its called an agenda. Brendan favours Lucas, so don't worry he isn't going anywhere.
 
I'm not sure we need him.



With Gerrard, Hendo, Allen and Lucas competing for places in midfield I don't see why there's such an urgency to buy him?



I'd rather we spend the "cash" on a attacking player.

We have 4 senior midfielders competing for 3 starting places, over the course of a year thats going to leave us very short when suspensions and injuries pile up in the second half of the season. If we are playing in Europe then we need at least 1 more midfielder, Gerrard Allen and Lucas seem to pick up a lot of injuries
 
We have 4 senior midfielders competing for 3 starting places, over the course of a year thats going to leave us very short when suspensions and injuries pile up in the second half of the season. If we are playing in Europe then we need at least 1 more midfielder, Gerrard Allen and Lucas seem to pick up a lot of injuries


Consider the type of player M'vila is. We don't need another defensive midfielder and we're not playing in Europe atm.
Like I said, we need attacking players.
 
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