Meireles & Gerrard
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[quote author=KingDing link=topic=43762.msg1259517#msg1259517 date=1295716881]
We've not even signed Adam yet.
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This i think is a very pertinent point.
We've not even signed Adam yet.
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This i think is a very pertinent point.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=43762.msg1259511#msg1259511 date=1295716650]
I think Meireles can pitch in with goals from CM as well. We've seen him go close on a number of occasions this season... now a couple have gone in. That's not to say he suddenly needs to move into the AM role.
And in my opinion Gerrard's best season was the one where he played in AM and got 20+ goals and 20+ assists. He and Torres were unstoppable. When he played on the right, he drifted in far too often and still played enough games in the middle as well.
Also, he's got a fucking fantastic cross on him. Wash your mouth out JJ.
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This. Word for word.
I think Meireles can pitch in with goals from CM as well. We've seen him go close on a number of occasions this season... now a couple have gone in. That's not to say he suddenly needs to move into the AM role.
And in my opinion Gerrard's best season was the one where he played in AM and got 20+ goals and 20+ assists. He and Torres were unstoppable. When he played on the right, he drifted in far too often and still played enough games in the middle as well.
Also, he's got a fucking fantastic cross on him. Wash your mouth out JJ.
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This. Word for word.
[quote author=DBP link=topic=43762.msg1259494#msg1259494 date=1295715633]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=43762.msg1259360#msg1259360 date=1295708505]
Meireles behind Torres... Torres was rarely isolated today as Meireles was running so hard to give him support..
I've never really bought this..'.Gerrard, being behind the striker' shite. He can shoot and score... but he is far more effectual when he gets on the ball and controls the 'engine room'
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LOL, what a stupid statement.
Behind the striker is where he played when we finished 2nd in 2009, with a record premiership points total for the club, was named the Football Writers player of the year and called the best player in the World by Zidane.
You're an idiot for posting that, you really are, more proof courtesy of David Prentice
"Liverpool scored 107 goals during the 2008/09 campaign. Gerrard either scored or directly created 41 of them.
That’s a quite astonishing tally. Put simply Gerrard had a direct hand in almost half of all the goals Liverpool scored last season – and he missed the start of 14 games.
His importance to Liverpool Football Club outweighed any of his contemporaries' significance to their own football clubs by a mile.
Cristiano Ronaldo might have scored as many goals, but his assists tally was less than half of Gerrard’s.
Cesc Fabregas – the previous season’s assists king – added just eight to his tally, and he only scored three. Nicolas Anelka? 12 league goals and seven assists.
Frank Lampard? 12 and 10. Robin van Persie? 11 and 11.
Quite simply Gerrard was out on his own."
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Eeeek...
not exactly diplomatic are you?
I think Gerrard is one of the best players in the world.. but i question if behind the striker is the best place for him... He and Torres were on fire that season. There is no doubting his ability but from team point of view it makes more sense to have him constantly involved in teh game.
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=43762.msg1259360#msg1259360 date=1295708505]
Meireles behind Torres... Torres was rarely isolated today as Meireles was running so hard to give him support..
I've never really bought this..'.Gerrard, being behind the striker' shite. He can shoot and score... but he is far more effectual when he gets on the ball and controls the 'engine room'
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LOL, what a stupid statement.
Behind the striker is where he played when we finished 2nd in 2009, with a record premiership points total for the club, was named the Football Writers player of the year and called the best player in the World by Zidane.
You're an idiot for posting that, you really are, more proof courtesy of David Prentice
"Liverpool scored 107 goals during the 2008/09 campaign. Gerrard either scored or directly created 41 of them.
That’s a quite astonishing tally. Put simply Gerrard had a direct hand in almost half of all the goals Liverpool scored last season – and he missed the start of 14 games.
His importance to Liverpool Football Club outweighed any of his contemporaries' significance to their own football clubs by a mile.
Cristiano Ronaldo might have scored as many goals, but his assists tally was less than half of Gerrard’s.
Cesc Fabregas – the previous season’s assists king – added just eight to his tally, and he only scored three. Nicolas Anelka? 12 league goals and seven assists.
Frank Lampard? 12 and 10. Robin van Persie? 11 and 11.
Quite simply Gerrard was out on his own."
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Eeeek...
not exactly diplomatic are you?
I think Gerrard is one of the best players in the world.. but i question if behind the striker is the best place for him... He and Torres were on fire that season. There is no doubting his ability but from team point of view it makes more sense to have him constantly involved in teh game.
Of course Gerrard is more effective through the middle, he will see more of the ball that way and exert a greater influence over the game, we know he can play wide on the right and put in get good performances but we cant just play him there because he is the best player we have for that position, if that were the case it would be equally true he could play on the left wing or even left back and be our best option.
The real question is whether he is better as a central midfielder or an attacking midfielder, for me the answer is clearly as an attacking midfielder, it allows him to do what he is best at, driving forward and making things happen, he can still do this from centre mid but it raises 2 problems, firstly its a more congested area and its easier to crowd him out and secondly he lacks the positional discipline to stay there, he is prone to drift looking for the ball, for an attacking midfielder thats not such a big issue for your central midfielder to go wandering is just not acceptable. When hes been at his best as a CM hes had a defensive anchor like Hamman/Mascher minding the shop and covering his runs, at the moment we dont have that type of player meaning Gerrard is far more productive in front of the midfield.
The real question is whether he is better as a central midfielder or an attacking midfielder, for me the answer is clearly as an attacking midfielder, it allows him to do what he is best at, driving forward and making things happen, he can still do this from centre mid but it raises 2 problems, firstly its a more congested area and its easier to crowd him out and secondly he lacks the positional discipline to stay there, he is prone to drift looking for the ball, for an attacking midfielder thats not such a big issue for your central midfielder to go wandering is just not acceptable. When hes been at his best as a CM hes had a defensive anchor like Hamman/Mascher minding the shop and covering his runs, at the moment we dont have that type of player meaning Gerrard is far more productive in front of the midfield.
[quote author=RedStar link=topic=43762.msg1259858#msg1259858 date=1295766618]
Of course Gerrard is more effective through the middle, he will see more of the ball that way and exert a greater influence over the game, we know he can play wide on the right and put in get good performances but we cant just play him there because he is the best player we have for that position, if that were the case it would be equally true he could play on the left wing or even left back and be our best option.
The real question is whether he is better as a central midfielder or an attacking midfielder, for me the answer is clearly as an attacking midfielder, it allows him to do what he is best at, driving forward and making things happen, he can still do this from centre mid but it raises 2 problems, firstly its a more congested area and its easier to crowd him out and secondly he lacks the positional discipline to stay there, he is prone to drift looking for the ball, for an attacking midfielder thats not such a big issue for your central midfielder to go wandering is just not acceptable. When hes been at his best as a CM hes had a defensive anchor like Hamman/Mascher minding the shop and covering his runs, at the moment we dont have that type of player meaning Gerrard is far more productive in front of the midfield.
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Good post.
I agree, Gerrard is more effective behind Torres.
Judging by the line up against Man U, I bet that's where Kenny will play him.
Of course Gerrard is more effective through the middle, he will see more of the ball that way and exert a greater influence over the game, we know he can play wide on the right and put in get good performances but we cant just play him there because he is the best player we have for that position, if that were the case it would be equally true he could play on the left wing or even left back and be our best option.
The real question is whether he is better as a central midfielder or an attacking midfielder, for me the answer is clearly as an attacking midfielder, it allows him to do what he is best at, driving forward and making things happen, he can still do this from centre mid but it raises 2 problems, firstly its a more congested area and its easier to crowd him out and secondly he lacks the positional discipline to stay there, he is prone to drift looking for the ball, for an attacking midfielder thats not such a big issue for your central midfielder to go wandering is just not acceptable. When hes been at his best as a CM hes had a defensive anchor like Hamman/Mascher minding the shop and covering his runs, at the moment we dont have that type of player meaning Gerrard is far more productive in front of the midfield.
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Good post.
I agree, Gerrard is more effective behind Torres.
Judging by the line up against Man U, I bet that's where Kenny will play him.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43762.msg1259429#msg1259429 date=1295710207]
So am I literally the only person who thinks moving Stevie to teh right might get more of the side?
Pah!
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Since arguably, SG's best season came on the right I wouldn't have a problem with him playing there at all. It is certainly should be an option, if not a formation we employ week-in week-out.
So am I literally the only person who thinks moving Stevie to teh right might get more of the side?
Pah!
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Since arguably, SG's best season came on the right I wouldn't have a problem with him playing there at all. It is certainly should be an option, if not a formation we employ week-in week-out.
[quote author=DBP link=topic=43762.msg1259901#msg1259901 date=1295775657]
Except his best season was 2008-2009 playing behind Torres
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He scored almost as many goals from the right a season or two before, and 'arguably', contributed more to the team, since one doesn't normally expect a RM to contribute 20 goals in a season. It was certainly among his best seasons.
Except his best season was 2008-2009 playing behind Torres
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He scored almost as many goals from the right a season or two before, and 'arguably', contributed more to the team, since one doesn't normally expect a RM to contribute 20 goals in a season. It was certainly among his best seasons.
Point is, though, he really wasn't ever a true RM. He was a CM who spent a bit more time out wide than some but continually came inside off his wing and did all his best work in the centre.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43762.msg1259913#msg1259913 date=1295776408]
Point is, though, he really wasn't ever a true RM. He was a CM who spent a bit more time out wide than some but continually came inside off his wing and did all his best work in the centre.
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Yup. Not to mention a proportion of those goals and assists were racked up when he started at CM.
We have options of Cole, Kuyt, Maxi and Johnson on the right. We already know that the guys in charge are looking at wingers and getting a bit of pace into the side... we simply don't need to go down this road again.
Point is, though, he really wasn't ever a true RM. He was a CM who spent a bit more time out wide than some but continually came inside off his wing and did all his best work in the centre.
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Yup. Not to mention a proportion of those goals and assists were racked up when he started at CM.
We have options of Cole, Kuyt, Maxi and Johnson on the right. We already know that the guys in charge are looking at wingers and getting a bit of pace into the side... we simply don't need to go down this road again.
Does that matter though? He used to swap flanks with Kewell during a game, cut into the centre, and did all sorts. I don't think it matters that he wasn't hugging the sideline. We had a dangerous, attacking RM.
I think too many managers made the mistake of NOT building the side around Gerrard.
His versatility has improved him as a player but has hampered his international career (not that I care).
The King will do what's best for the team but Gerrard will benefit from a confident Liverpool playing on the front foot.
His versatility has improved him as a player but has hampered his international career (not that I care).
The King will do what's best for the team but Gerrard will benefit from a confident Liverpool playing on the front foot.
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