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Meireles & Gerrard

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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43762.msg1259429#msg1259429 date=1295710207]
So am I literally the only person who thinks moving Stevie to teh right might get more of the side?

Pah!
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Haha I think moving Gerrard to the right should seriously be considered especially if you have a shit hot winger on the other side who will hug the touchline.
 
I agree with FFF, i'd put Gerrard on the right to put quality balls in and make runs into the box

he had one of his best seasons on the right dont forget

Give him some freedom with the solid Kelly behind him.

That will leave Johnson at LB or on the bench though
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43762.msg1259429#msg1259429 date=1295710207]
So am I literally the only person who thinks moving Stevie to teh right might get more of the side?

Pah!
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If it means one of the Pucas twins is playing then I'm not in favour, if we have someone else to step in there then it might be a good idea
 
I'd happily swap Adam for a quality DM. Central midfield is obviously the major concern in the team but I'm afraid we're getting carried with the idea of a quick fix. I'm perfectly happy with Meireles as the premier ball playing central midfielder in the squad. I also think we have a superb young understudy for him in Shelvey. Getting Adam in rids of Lucas/Poulsen but leaves still leaves us with a gaping hole at DM with none of Lucas/Poulsen/Spearing being good enough to start.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43762.msg1259429#msg1259429 date=1295710207]
So am I literally the only person who thinks moving Stevie to teh right might get more of the side?

Pah!
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No. It really depends on the formation. I would never do it in a 4-4-2 but I'm certainly not averse to it in a 4-2-3-1.

In an ideal world, this would be fucking boss

---------------Meireles-------------Quality DM
------Gerrard-----------Suarez-----------Young
--------------------------Torres

With Gerrard, Suarez, and Young forming a fluid front three and interchanging throughout the game. So it essentially becomes more of a free role than a right-sided position.

*Prays*
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=43762.msg1259419#msg1259419 date=1295709804]
This is the best problem we've had in ages
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Good isn't it? 🙂
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=43762.msg1259432#msg1259432 date=1295710359]
I agree with FFF, i'd put Gerrard on the right to put quality balls in and make runs into the box

he had one of his best seasons on the right dont forget

Give him some freedom with the solid Kelly behind him.

That will leave Johnson at LB or on the bench though

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There wouldn't be much in the way of quality balls in. When he played there he was always coming inside, and you've only got to look at his iffy corner-taking to see that he's not at his best hitting balls from out wide. He did play very well that season individually, but the team effectively had to do without a RM/RW to make up for it. It's never going to be his best position.
 
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=43762.msg1259437#msg1259437 date=1295710669]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=43762.msg1259419#msg1259419 date=1295709804]
This is the best problem we've had in ages
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Good isn't it? 🙂
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gaddamrite.

beas talking about who was less shit.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43762.msg1259438#msg1259438 date=1295710763]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=43762.msg1259432#msg1259432 date=1295710359]
I agree with FFF, i'd put Gerrard on the right to put quality balls in and make runs into the box

he had one of his best seasons on the right dont forget

Give him some freedom with the solid Kelly behind him.

That will leave Johnson at LB or on the bench though

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There wouldn't be much in the way of quality balls in. When he played there he was always coming inside, and you've only got to look at his iffy corner-taking to see that he's not at his best hitting balls from out wide. He did play very well that season individually, but the team effectively had to do without a RM/RW to make up for it. It's never going to be his best position.
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We play without a RW/RM now Jules, & Stevie not only scored bucketfuls from there he did play the ball in a helluva lot more than deadly does.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43762.msg1259429#msg1259429 date=1295710207]
So am I literally the only person who thinks moving Stevie to teh right might get more of the side?

Pah!
[/quote]


Gerrard is a brilliant player, so he'll play well anywhere however for him to be at his best he has to play in a central role, so that's where we need to play him
 
Agreed.

Foxy, we're trying to improve on what we do now, aren't we? I think widening our play out will be key to that, as will getting the most out of our best player. Neither of those purposes will be served by playing Stevie wide right IMHO.
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=43762.msg1259439#msg1259439 date=1295710796]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=43762.msg1259437#msg1259437 date=1295710669]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=43762.msg1259419#msg1259419 date=1295709804]
This is the best problem we've had in ages
[/quote]

Good isn't it? 🙂
[/quote]

gaddamrite.

beas talking about who was less shit.
[/quote]

*shudders at the Lucas & Poulsen thread*
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=43762.msg1259336#msg1259336 date=1295708074]
I'd move gerrard back to the middle anyway.

Adam.... Gerrard
Meireles
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If you're gonna do that, we may aswell just be the sum of our parts and go for

Adam---Meireles
-----Gerrard------

....cos Gerrard is better than anyone there, even Ming.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43762.msg1259429#msg1259429 date=1295710207]
So am I literally the only person who thinks moving Stevie to teh right might get more of the side?

Pah!
[/quote]

No, I actually agree with you, I think that he was fire just behind Torres but also free on the right hand side. Don't think centre mid is even his second best position, never mind his best one.
 
[quote author=dubluke link=topic=43762.msg1259472#msg1259472 date=1295713396]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43762.msg1259429#msg1259429 date=1295710207]
So am I literally the only person who thinks moving Stevie to teh right might get more of the side?

Pah!
[/quote]

No, I actually agree with you, I think that he was fire just behind Torres but also free on the right hand side. Don't think centre mid is even his second best position, never mind his best one.
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I agree too, at least in terms of, as I said, being the sum of our parts. Let's face it, Gerrard can play anywhere in attack.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=43762.msg1259352#msg1259352 date=1295708335]
Just play Gerrard behind Torres and play Adam and Meireles together in midfield.
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Agreed. Raul is a cm
 
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=43762.msg1259360#msg1259360 date=1295708505]
Meireles behind Torres... Torres was rarely isolated today as Meireles was running so hard to give him support..

Gerrard is far better running from deep. Gerrard can tackle, pressure and his burst of pace assists him to win a lot more in the centre of the park. I've never really bought this..'.Gerrard, being behind the striker' shite. He can shoot and score... but he is far more effectual when he gets on the ball and controls the 'engine room'
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This! When Gareth Thomas says something, he is right.


Also i posted a Meireles thread after watching his very first or second performance, and i'll repeat the same again. Raul Meireles is the only good thing Roy Hodgson did for Liverpool.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=43762.msg1259471#msg1259471 date=1295713334]
Yep, to clarify, I dont really mind what way round it is, as long as they're all in the middle.
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This seems right too...

but first, is it confirmed we are getting Adam?
 
Raul was class today and it's a nice problem to have. How long has it been since the midfield is not just all about stevie.

PS. You could have just carried on my Friday thread Jon, Git 😉
 
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=43762.msg1259360#msg1259360 date=1295708505]
Meireles behind Torres... Torres was rarely isolated today as Meireles was running so hard to give him support..
I've never really bought this..'.Gerrard, being behind the striker' shite. He can shoot and score... but he is far more effectual when he gets on the ball and controls the 'engine room'
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LOL, what a stupid statement.

Behind the striker is where he played when we finished 2nd in 2009, with a record premiership points total for the club, was named the Football Writers player of the year and called the best player in the World by Zidane.

You're an idiot for posting that, you really are, more proof courtesy of David Prentice

"Liverpool scored 107 goals during the 2008/09 campaign. Gerrard either scored or directly created 41 of them.

That’s a quite astonishing tally. Put simply Gerrard had a direct hand in almost half of all the goals Liverpool scored last season – and he missed the start of 14 games.

His importance to Liverpool Football Club outweighed any of his contemporaries' significance to their own football clubs by a mile.

Cristiano Ronaldo might have scored as many goals, but his assists tally was less than half of Gerrard’s.

Cesc Fabregas – the previous season’s assists king – added just eight to his tally, and he only scored three. Nicolas Anelka? 12 league goals and seven assists.

Frank Lampard? 12 and 10. Robin van Persie? 11 and 11.

Quite simply Gerrard was out on his own."
 
[quote author=DBP link=topic=43762.msg1259494#msg1259494 date=1295715633]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=43762.msg1259360#msg1259360 date=1295708505]
Meireles behind Torres... Torres was rarely isolated today as Meireles was running so hard to give him support..
I've never really bought this..'.Gerrard, being behind the striker' shite. He can shoot and score... but he is far more effectual when he gets on the ball and controls the 'engine room'
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LOL, what a stupid statement.

Behind the striker is where he played when we finished 2nd in 2009, with a record premiership points total for the club, was named the Football Writers player of the year and called the best player in the World by Zidane.

You're an idiot for posting that, you really are

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You are quite opinionated when it comes to other posters, aren't you.

Any more thoughts on Sunny, our regular ITK guy since your last thoughts on the subject.
.....
"Anyone claiming to have inside info is an attention seeker and really needs to have a long hard look at themselves in the mirror"
 
I'm more of a lurker than a poster, it's usually statements of extreme idiocy that compel me to post.

Think I've proved that Gareths statement was an example of that.
 
[quote author=DBP link=topic=43762.msg1259503#msg1259503 date=1295716177]
I'm more of a lurker than a poster, it's usually statements of extreme idiocy that compel me to post.

Think I've proved that Gareths statement was an example of that.
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Why did you edit your post?

Thought more 'facts' would make people think you're less of a muppet?

I doubt it
 
I'm not saying Ming is better than Gerrard, I'm not mental!

However stevie is only marginally less effective on the right, and offers a lot more than kuyt does.

Raul is chipping in with the goals from midfield & if we can keep those goals coming & add stevie scoring too we look a lot more effective.
 
If there was a thread on is Gerrard a better CM or AM we could debate it for an awfully long time with no clear consensus I'd imagine. There are merits to both.

Statements of "extreme idiocy" don't generally lead to that.
 
I think Meireles can pitch in with goals from CM as well. We've seen him go close on a number of occasions this season... now a couple have gone in. That's not to say he suddenly needs to move into the AM role.

And in my opinion Gerrard's best season was the one where he played in AM and got 20+ goals and 20+ assists. He and Torres were unstoppable. When he played on the right, he drifted in far too often and still played enough games in the middle as well.

Also, he's got a fucking fantastic cross on him. Wash your mouth out JJ.
 
I guess the question is do you play Gerrard to fill a gap as he can be excellent in many positions, or do you play him in his best position where he is beyond excellent, but you may however have a poor player elsewhere?

edit: England have tried the first option with little success (not that that's Stevie's problem)
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=43762.msg1259510#msg1259510 date=1295716520]
If there was a thread on is Gerrard a better CM or AM we could debate it for an awfully long time with no clear concensus I'd imagine. There are merits to both.

Statements of "extreme idiocy" don't generally lead to that.
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This.

This is perhaps confusing and a good problem to have. Both Gerrard and Ming can play well in more than one position. (of course Ming is the lesser player of the two.) The final team configuration would involve finding the optimum position for these two given the limitations in other positions....in short, it's a good problem to have.
 
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