I genuinely don't think we'll see a reaction. Everyone's confidence is shot. We're more likely to see us turned over than we are a positive performance
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I genuinely don't think we'll see a reaction. Everyone's confidence is shot. We're more likely to see us turned over than we are a positive performance
Nah I don't believe that. It was a perfect storm yesterday.
We had 34 shots. That's not a team short on confidence.
Was one of those games were we made bad decisions. But we kept trying.. if not for Alisson we'd have lost though.
Just about every player had one they wish they had back.
Nunez really is the most frustrating player we've had in a long time.
We’re top of the table, or at least were, wtf is there to be confidence shot about. Maybe it’s a pressure to maintain a position not many expected from us at the start of the season but what have they to be confidence shot over?
A week's ban the time you start a match thread Dreamie. The time after that a month....
We had a similar performance against United at Old Trafford around that time. Maybe a year earlier.
They were injury ridden, everybody thought it would be an easy win, and peak Mane, Mo and Bobby played like we did yesterday. Result was nil nil. Manic and brainless
I thought Gakpo and Elliot coming on would calm us down and we’ll start playing with a brain but nope, they were taking stupid pot shots as well.
It was the dumbest performance by us in a long time.
The forwards aren't scoring bar Salah, and even his forms shite. You can't say there's a belief in the forwards atm? What is it, like 2 months sinc any of them scored in the league (again. Bar Salah)? Overplaying is an example of a lack of confidence. I don't think it's pressure, as there's weirdly been zero pressure from anyone.
We've rode our luck for weeks. And this game was where it came.home to roost.
34 shots but how many tested Onana? Probably zero, as they were all directly at him. salahs efforts, gakpo from range (where he weirdly delayed the shot, turned back on himself and gave himself a trickier shot), van dijk and konate. All at the keeper.
The delaying of passes, shots, or overplaying is hugely a confidence issue.
A fairer assessment and breakdown. 13 shots blocked, 13 off target, 8 on. That's not confidence play. That's taking half chances formed from dithering or making a wrong choice. This isn't a single game issue. If United had actually tried for the full 90, they probably would have taken the points, as we weren't creating good enough opportunities
A lack of confidence doesn't mean a lack of chances. It means you dawdle and the better opportunity goes due to indecision.
We could have played another 3 hours, and we still wouldn't have scored.
No Fabio.
If Utd tried, it would've opened up the space more for us to create better chances. They HAD to play the way they did to get ANYTHING from that game.
If Utd had tried to play we would have won given that we thrive more in space and on the break. Our new midfield and attackers being out of form resulted in the struggle against the low block yesterday. Taking snap shots, making poor decisions in good football moments and being unfocused and out of rhythm.
But do you know what? That happens some times. We are were we are in the table because we are a good side, and will continue to challenge given that we only will improve and get better. And people are ready to give up. Bunch of fannies.
But do you know what? That happens some times. We are were we are in the table because we are a good side, and will continue to challenge given that we only will improve and get better. And people are ready to give up. Bunch of fannies.
Why? They opened up space in the second half and they got 1 on 1 with Alisson TWICE. We didn't manage it once, even when we had the chance to due to poor decisions.
They probably would have gotten a goal and gone defensive again before we even created a decent chance.
Why what? They sat back and countered through their wide men.....that's it. The space they found came as a result of us overcommitting.....which is generally what you have to do to try and win a game the later the games on, they never did that and I can assure you if they did from the start, we'd have blown them away. It's pretty difficult to get in 1 on 1 with a keeper if you have 10 men parked up in front of him and they don't abandon their shape, which is why all our of chances had to come from either crosses or long range shots. Between Trent, Kostas & Szobo we put in 32 crosses into their box, do you know how many we won? 4.
We were there for the taking just as much as they were. If they played more aggressively it could have ended up 3-3 or a high scoring loss for us.
Arguably we should be happy with a point, because if you don't test the keeper, you don't deserve to win games.
Arguably we should be happy with a point, because if you don't test the keeper, you don't deserve to win games.
There's "giving up" and there's realism over our chances and reliance on klopp getting half the team firing again.
Not happy no but a point against Utd isn't the end of the world, they'll be a lot happier with the point because they only really tested Ali once & barely had any of the play......we tested theirs a few more times & had much more of the play...... so if there was a side that was more worthy of the 3 points, it was us. On another day Ibou finds the corner, as does Virgil, as does Trent. Maybe Gakpo's header goes on target, maybe Diaz doesn't get in Nunez way and makes him hesitate......we just needed 1 bit of luck with any of those and we're all having a very different conversation right now.
United played the kind of tactics you would expect from a "small team" as Rafa once said. But they did so with a better standard of player than small teams tend to possess, so they were effective. They did really well blocking the passing lines when we were trying to bring the ball out of defence, and then sat deep and stopped us getting in behind them when we did move the ball up the field.
Of course it's frustrating, but fair play to them, they came with a game plan and they executed it well. We're too willing to say our lads were shit, but they were only as effective as the opposition (and their system) allowed them to be. If we'd got an early goal then it could have been very different, but we didn't.
If United had tried to take the game to us, they'd have lost, so they didn't. It may have been boring and frustrating, but it's just how the game is sometimes, it's just that usually teams that try that aren't good enough to pull it off. I felt exactly the same about Everton that time Rafa called them a small team, and also Jose's Chelsea side (albeit that the consequences in that game were catastrophic for us).
And in the end, United missing Maguire, Fernandes and dropping Rashford was probably good for them, as the team they did put out was better placed to do the job they needed to do.
So we move on, and let's take it out on West Ham and Arsenal before the international break.
Of course it's frustrating, but fair play to them, they came with a game plan and they executed it well. We're too willing to say our lads were shit, but they were only as effective as the opposition (and their system) allowed them to be. If we'd got an early goal then it could have been very different, but we didn't.
If United had tried to take the game to us, they'd have lost, so they didn't. It may have been boring and frustrating, but it's just how the game is sometimes, it's just that usually teams that try that aren't good enough to pull it off. I felt exactly the same about Everton that time Rafa called them a small team, and also Jose's Chelsea side (albeit that the consequences in that game were catastrophic for us).
And in the end, United missing Maguire, Fernandes and dropping Rashford was probably good for them, as the team they did put out was better placed to do the job they needed to do.
So we move on, and let's take it out on West Ham and Arsenal before the international break.
Nunez should have done better
THERE’S AN INTERNATIONAL BREAK COMING!!!!
Fuck you Santa!!!
THERE’S AN INTERNATIONAL BREAK COMING!!!!
Fuck you Santa!!!
It might be a winter break TBF.
Yesterday I glimps Thiago sitting with the team. God I can not wait for him to return..
Our mind field is so poor, the only stand outs are Elliot, Jones and Szob.
Mac,Endo, Graven, Gakop are simple not good enough...
I understand supporters backing them and wanting them to be top signings but in truth Fab, and Henderson and even Milner out shine these players.
What would make the midfield better, aside from being better players is if the would play with more urgency and speed, and release the ball quickier.
Instead of wasting the money we had on Endo,Mac,Graven, and Gakop we should have bought Bellingham, Quality over Quantity
The lack in quality show throught the midfieldfield and reflects into the lack of potency in attack.
We need to move these players on and start bringing in "Quality"
Our mind field is so poor, the only stand outs are Elliot, Jones and Szob.
Mac,Endo, Graven, Gakop are simple not good enough...
I understand supporters backing them and wanting them to be top signings but in truth Fab, and Henderson and even Milner out shine these players.
What would make the midfield better, aside from being better players is if the would play with more urgency and speed, and release the ball quickier.
Instead of wasting the money we had on Endo,Mac,Graven, and Gakop we should have bought Bellingham, Quality over Quantity
The lack in quality show throught the midfieldfield and reflects into the lack of potency in attack.
We need to move these players on and start bringing in "Quality"
We're not playing particularly well though. We're getting results, but we've been lucky more than a few times and we've not really clicked in attack. Nunez has been hit and miss again, Diaz has been really poor and Szobo too. Gravenberch is doing ok, but can be a bit anonymous in games. Salah continues to try to find the far corner even though it feels like decades since he's been able to do that. Yesterday was one of those games where Jota would have snatched a goal.
Yesterday was also crying out for Harvey to come on early. The Gapko sub was a poor one, we became to overloaded in an area where we were already struggling to find space, it largely doesn't work.
We can go all cliched and say that once we click we'll be brilliant, but it's not happened really and we're now 4 months into the season. It's obviously not all doom and gloom, we're just off top, the defense is marginally better than it has been and AB is brilliant. But yesterday really showed why we still need a couple of additions and why Klopp needs to put a bit more faith in Elliott. He's looked our most effective and dangerous player of late and he plays like he really gives a fuck. Gomez, despite the odd lapse, has had a good season too. They've been two of our better players when called upon.
Personally I'd toughen us up at the back by making Gomez an ever present at right back, and put Trent in midfield, but I've said it for ages and it doesn't happen. Trent had an off day yesterday, but we dropped points for a myriad of other reasons. Mostly because we're not playing that well and our position in the table is mostly thanks to our early season form and the fact that we're still plucky and persistent, not because we're blowing away teams generally. And I'm reading jack shit into possession and shots, we were shooting from everywhere yesterday out of sheer frustration and cluelessness. None of the incisive passing and movement of old is there, we can score some great goals, but we're not looking like a big goalscoring team. Not at the moment anyway.
That was 95 minutes of my life I'm never getting back.
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In the past he would not have. Bit sadly as we saw from Nunez, even when an empty defensless goal is front of you, our players will find a way not to score. I have said this before, apart from Salah, all the others must have been given instructions to pass before attempting to shoot. Thats training shit.
Thanks for your support, but I was referring to the 1-1 draw in October 2019 on the way to the muvvafuckin title 😀
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No. That's what i wanted too.
And when did Jude say no to us..??
We failed to bid for him, instead chosing to spend that money on Mac,Gakop,Graven, and Endo
klopp would never do that though
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