Liverpool v Sevilla Match Thread CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
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Yeah, but despite the midfield containing someone you can't help but hate on, the defense is even chronically worse.
Klopp doesn't know how to organise a team defensively, end of. There are plenty of personnel there who are good players, but we have no organisation. Have a look at the second goal, Salah and Gomez are ball watching completely. If your team repeatedly switches off like that, it's not a personnel problem, it's a managerial problem. They all do it, his signings and the players who were already there.
Fuck it play Can there alongside Matip, can't be much worse
It's both players and manager.
... I think I'm joining you in the anti hendo camp.
He's a shadow of the player he was a few years ago, and he is mostly wasteful
I think it's both that's the issue
The defence is moreso shaky as fuck because they get no protection from midfield.
The defence is dead shit, but our midfield... Fuck
I blame Can for the second. They have a throw and he's standing there marking nobody, giving the thrower a free shot to the guy who had the assist.
And I don't give a fuck what Moreno gives us going forward, he's a liability. We first and foremost need defenders who can defend.
You can blame Klopp for the fact that we consistently defend badly. Consistently.
Bollocks. Henderson is the only one who reacts. Henderson has a player and has to leave him because Can doesn't pick up his man. Salah, Can and Gomez all react too late. Henderson is the only one who reacts, the player who ends up on the ball isn't his man!
The problem is systemic.
I find it hard to believe that the players are so shit, so defensively inept that they cannot be organized to defend better as a team.
In an ideal world every team wants those players that are a freakish mix of footballing genius and athletic ability but when nothing else will do... you've got problems.
Anyways... yeah, we will regret not making some major defensive signings in the summer. There are a couple of starters that are not good enough irrespective of systems.
I find it hard to believe that the players are so shit, so defensively inept that they cannot be organized to defend better as a team.
In an ideal world every team wants those players that are a freakish mix of footballing genius and athletic ability but when nothing else will do... you've got problems.
Anyways... yeah, we will regret not making some major defensive signings in the summer. There are a couple of starters that are not good enough irrespective of systems.
Fair enough. My point was that the players deserve the blame more than Klopp in that instance. It's elementary stuff.
Klopps game exposes the defence so badly and the fact they are average and error prone just destroys us. He's too stubborn to shift the balance of play away from his default approach. We need world class defenders to play this way. Instead we've got Lovren, Klaven, Moreno and some kids.
Who organises them? If it's elementary stuff, they clearly don't remember the fundamental basics, as they repeatedly forget the school boy stuff, and you're not telling me that only rears it's head during games, it must happen in training all the time. So Klopp should be addressing it and he clearly isn't, or it isn't getting through, either way it's as much on him.
It is fucking tedious seeing the same problems game after fucking game
When every player makes mistakes like these, it's not that every player is shit. Totally agree that the accountability at some point lies with Klopp. Some of the players do need upgrading but it can't be all of them.
Do you need to ask top level players to run? Or to track players? The players were there. We had like 7-8 back against 3 or 4 in a throw in. The players just didn't bother.
I blame Klopp for not getting a defensive midfielder. To be completely honest Keita isn't the solution either. He's a CM. At Leipzig, he has a DM, Diego Demme, next to him which allows him to go on his dribbling runs.
Exactly it's mostly Can's fault. But Hendo isn't completely innocent either.
Lovren was the biggest culprit when we conceeded the first goal. I couldn't find a long enough video but I want you to have another look at our midfield. Ball watching AGAIN!
Their player is surrounded but none of our players even attempt to make a tackle.
What scares me the most about this season is that our starting midfielders don't have any competition, AT ALL. Henderson, Can, Wijnaldum are pretty much guaranteed a spot in midfield. We have no proper defensive midfielder in the club and that's a fucking tragedy.
Their player is surrounded but none of our players even attempt to make a tackle.
What scares me the most about this season is that our starting midfielders don't have any competition, AT ALL. Henderson, Can, Wijnaldum are pretty much guaranteed a spot in midfield. We have no proper defensive midfielder in the club and that's a fucking tragedy.
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Yes Lovren was the main culprit in their first goal, but the whole move leading up to it started with Can deciding not to put in a tackle.
Can was shite tonight, looked like he was trudging through syrup the whole match. this midfield trio does not work when the press isnt on, totally ineffective in the second half once their man sat deep in the middle. wijnaldum brought work rate and surging runs to the party in the first half, not sure what any of the three offered in the second half.
IF Moreno is to play, he HAS to have some cover, a decent side wouldve mauled us down his side tonight.
Lovren was shite, manes first touch seemed off, Salah was lively as was firmino. i like gomez, hes going to be a quality player, agai he got overran and dragged inside too often as he received no cover from that trio in midfield.
IF Moreno is to play, he HAS to have some cover, a decent side wouldve mauled us down his side tonight.
Lovren was shite, manes first touch seemed off, Salah was lively as was firmino. i like gomez, hes going to be a quality player, agai he got overran and dragged inside too often as he received no cover from that trio in midfield.
One of them will be ousted when Lallana is back, and for all the faults you have with him, he definitely doesn't ball watch
I'm very hard on Henderson, more so since he made the move to DM. It's probably not his fault. I bet he wants to play further up the pitch and that's totally OK.
The problem with Henderson is not his running, it's not covering, it's not clearing the ball. It's defensive positioning, awareness in defense and anticipation.
I'd add challenging for the ball as well because it sometimes look like he hesitates when there's a risk of bringing the opponent down.
All that is connected to him not being schooled properly to play in that position.
I bet if we give him Emre Can's freedom to go forward he'd look a whole lot better.
In short I think we're stifling Hendo when we're playing him there.
Remind me, where did he play when we finished second in the league?
Exactly, Gerrard had the deep role, Hendo was more of a CM and everyone raves about his performances in midfield that season. (except me )
Sure, blame injuries, but consider where he's playing as well.
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