Liverpool : Goalscoring Stats

[Frogfish]

Now caution is thrown to the wind and if that occasionally means they are exposed at the back then so be it.

The stats make remarkable reading.

Liverpool have scored three or more in 13 of their last 17 league games and have netted 34 times in their last nine league games at Anfield.

Their haul of 22 goals in their opening seven league games this season has only been bettered once in the club's history - in 1895.

Back then Queen Victoria was on the throne and the Reds were setting the foundations for clinching the Second Division crown with emphatic wins over the likes of Loughborough Town and Burton Wanderers.

The current crop will be hoping their autumn goal rush will also lead to a glorious finale.

Hitting hapless Hull for six was the perfect boost ahead of this Sunday's crunch clash with Chelsea.

With Carlo Ancelotti's side beaten by Wigan, the Reds now find themselves just three points off the summit. Those early defeats to Spurs and Aston Villa are already starting to look less costly.

The Stamford Bridge showdown will provide a clearer indication of this side's title credentials.

Liverpool have developed a useful habit of battering vastly inferior sides, now they must show they haven't lost the knack of chiselling out wins against the big boys.

 

[Roger REDerer]

We'll beat the chavs at the bridge.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=36111.msg952644#msg952644 date=1254132332]
We'll beat the chavs at the bridge.


[/quote]

aren't you always predicting loses but we end up winning? if you are, uh-oh.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36111.msg952621#msg952621 date=1254128216]
Those early defeats to Spurs and Aston Villa are already starting to look less costly.
[/quote]

That, depends on which way you look at it

regards

 

[Paddy]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36111.msg952651#msg952651 date=1254133088]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36111.msg952621#msg952621 date=1254128216]
Those early defeats to Spurs and Aston Villa are already starting to look less costly.
[/quote]

That, depends on which way you look at it

regards
[/quote]

Exactly. It's a ridiculous statement. Ah yes, 6 points dropped. Who cares! We won the next few games we should have anyway.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36111.msg952651#msg952651 date=1254133088]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36111.msg952621#msg952621 date=1254128216]
Those early defeats to Spurs and Aston Villa are already starting to look less costly.
[/quote]

That, depends on which way you look at it

regards
[/quote]

in what way? manu have lost 1, chelsea 1 and arsenal 2. they have pretty much cancelled out our two losses. I have to say thank fuck wigan beat chelsea because going into the game 6 points behind with a chelsea win meaning we would be 9 behind even at this early stage I would worry about our chances.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952653#msg952653 date=1254133322]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36111.msg952651#msg952651 date=1254133088]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36111.msg952621#msg952621 date=1254128216]
Those early defeats to Spurs and Aston Villa are already starting to look less costly.
[/quote]

That, depends on which way you look at it

regards
[/quote]

in what way? manu have lost 1, chelsea 1 and arsenal 2. they have pretty much cancelled out our two losses. I have to say thank fuck wigan beat chelsea because going into the game 6 points behind with a chelsea win meaning we would be 9 behind even at this early stage I would worry about our chances.
[/quote]

See Paddy's reply

 

[spider-Neil]

people look at the 2 loses over the course of a season and think 'shit, we lost as much in our first three games'. truth is the thing people should be looking at are the 12 draws, two of which we've already turned into wins.

 

[Paddy]

Neil, there is no positive way of looking at two losses early on in the season. If we had have picked up wins, what position would we be in? Exactly.
It was a fucking nightmare start, and we could well go further behind should Chelsea pick up a win against us on Sunday. You are basically saying that if Chelsea, Man Utd, or whoever lose a game it makes it alright for Liverpool to do so? Fuck off.

 

[Paddy]

It's practically the same as last season, when Utd, Chelsea and so on dropped points, we had an opportunity to better their results, but we rarely did. Was that ok?

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Paddy link=topic=36111.msg952657#msg952657 date=1254133627]
Neil, there is no positive way of looking at two losses early on in the season. If we had have picked up wins, what position would we be in? Exactly.
It was a fucking nightmare start, and we could well go further behind should Chelsea pick up a win against us on Sunday. You are basically saying that if Chelsea, Man Utd, or whoever lose a game it makes it alright for Liverpool to do so? Fuck off.
[/quote]

there is no positive outlook but they have turned out to be as costly as we once thought, unless we are going to throw our arms in the air and say 'we've lost two games fuck it let's go home.'

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Paddy link=topic=36111.msg952660#msg952660 date=1254133981]
It's practically the same as last season, when Utd, Chelsea and so on dropped points, we had an opportunity to better their results, but we rarely did. Was that ok?
[/quote]

manu played chelsea twice and twice we played stoke and drew which you could argue cost us the league but the truth is the draws cost us the league not the loses (unless obviously we won those two games). the main thing we turn our see of draws into wins and that will require we gamble more which may result in more loses but a win, a loss and draw is better than three draws.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Paddy link=topic=36111.msg952657#msg952657 date=1254133627]
Neil, there is no positive way of looking at two losses early on in the season. If we had have picked up wins, what position would we be in? Exactly.
It was a fucking nightmare start, and we could well go further behind should Chelsea pick up a win against us on Sunday. You are basically saying that if Chelsea, Man Utd, or whoever lose a game it makes it alright for Liverpool to do so? Fuck off.
[/quote]

Unless the two losses gave us the kick start we needed, it's possible that if we drew those two games, that we might have not gone on such a run since. But that's impossible to know, and I take your point, I'd much prefer to not have lost those games, obviously.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=36111.msg952673#msg952673 date=1254134680]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=36111.msg952657#msg952657 date=1254133627]
Neil, there is no positive way of looking at two losses early on in the season. If we had have picked up wins, what position would we be in? Exactly.
It was a fucking nightmare start, and we could well go further behind should Chelsea pick up a win against us on Sunday. You are basically saying that if Chelsea, Man Utd, or whoever lose a game it makes it alright for Liverpool to do so? Fuck off.
[/quote]

Unless the two losses gave us the kick start we needed, it's possible that if we drew those two games, that we might have not gone on such a run since. But that's impossible to know, and I take your point, I'd much prefer to not have lost those games, obviously.
[/quote]

how many people were saying 'yeah but we never lost, yeah but we never lost' manu lost double the amount we did and still won the league with 4 points to spare. I'd rather we lost a game trying to win it, than drew a game trying not to lose it. the former and latter breeds a certain mentaility that is hard to switch off. you can conceivably not lose a game all season but get relegated (38 draws).

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952666#msg952666 date=1254134232]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=36111.msg952660#msg952660 date=1254133981]
It's practically the same as last season, when Utd, Chelsea and so on dropped points, we had an opportunity to better their results, but we rarely did. Was that ok?
[/quote]

manu played chelsea twice and twice we played stoke and drew which you could argue cost us the league but the truth is the draws cost us the league not the loses (unless obviously we won those two games). the main thing we turn our see of draws into wins and that will require we gamble more which may result in more loses but a win, a loss and draw is better than three draws.
[/quote]
Neil stop digging. The point is that any points you drop must have the potential to be very costly particularly as regards the top four this year. It does not matter how you flower it up and trade it off.
Let's be realistic on our first two games, Spurs was going to be difficult, but we should have walked the Villa game (in fact most of them did). That three points at the moment has cost us top spot and who knows in the final analysis it is entirely possible it still would

regards

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36111.msg952676#msg952676 date=1254134898]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952666#msg952666 date=1254134232]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=36111.msg952660#msg952660 date=1254133981]
It's practically the same as last season, when Utd, Chelsea and so on dropped points, we had an opportunity to better their results, but we rarely did. Was that ok?
[/quote]

manu played chelsea twice and twice we played stoke and drew which you could argue cost us the league but the truth is the draws cost us the league not the loses (unless obviously we won those two games). the main thing we turn our see of draws into wins and that will require we gamble more which may result in more loses but a win, a loss and draw is better than three draws.
[/quote]
Neil stop digging. The point is that any points you drop must have the potential to be very costly particularly as regards the top four this year. It does not matter how you flower it up and trade it off.
Let's be realistic on our first two games, Spurs was going to be difficult, but we should have walked the Villa game (in fact most of them did). That three points at the moment has cost us top spot and who knows in the final analysis it is entirely possible it still would

regards
[/quote]

obviously I'm not happy we lost but put it this way I am more positive about our position now than I was three weeks ago.

 

[Ossi]

Us getting exposed because we are more offensive isn´t the mail problem. Our defending at set pieces are. How many goals have we conceded from set pieces so far this season?

 

[Mystic]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952675#msg952675 date=1254134887]

I'd rather we lost a game trying to win it, than drew a game trying not to lose it.
[/quote]

You'd rather lose a game than draw a game? Are you serious?

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Mystic link=topic=36111.msg952755#msg952755 date=1254139157]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952675#msg952675 date=1254134887]

I'd rather we lost a game trying to win it, than drew a game trying not to lose it.
[/quote]

You'd rather lose a game than draw a game? Are you serious?
[/quote]

I'm talking more about the approach rather than the actual result, i.e. playing to win (with the possibility of a loss that playing not to lose with the possiblity of a draw).

 

[Mystic]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952766#msg952766 date=1254139490]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=36111.msg952755#msg952755 date=1254139157]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952675#msg952675 date=1254134887]

I'd rather we lost a game trying to win it, than drew a game trying not to lose it.
[/quote]

You'd rather lose a game than draw a game? Are you serious?
[/quote]

I'm talking more about the approach rather than the actual result, i.e. playing to win (with the possibility of a loss that playing not to lose with the possiblity of a draw).
[/quote]

The league is won by points not by how we play, just ask an Arsenal fan.

In NO situation is a lose better than a draw.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Mystic link=topic=36111.msg952768#msg952768 date=1254139567]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952766#msg952766 date=1254139490]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=36111.msg952755#msg952755 date=1254139157]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952675#msg952675 date=1254134887]

I'd rather we lost a game trying to win it, than drew a game trying not to lose it.
[/quote]

You'd rather lose a game than draw a game? Are you serious?
[/quote]

I'm talking more about the approach rather than the actual result, i.e. playing to win (with the possibility of a loss that playing not to lose with the possiblity of a draw).
[/quote]

The league is won by points not by how we play, just ask an Arsenal fan.

In NO situation is a lose better than a draw.
[/quote]

you set you intent before a ball is even kicked. weekend gone rafa dropped masher to the bench with signalled his intent in regards to taking the game to hull even though it would leave the defenders more exposed. a draw is obviously better than a loss, in regards to points on the board and moral but if there points are there for the taking than I'd rather we risked that point in the quest to secure all three.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

The league is won by points not by how we play, just ask an Arsenal fan.

In NO situation is a lose better than a draw.

Thank you Neal, it brings us right back to my original post questioning the wisdom of the hack saying the defeats now seem less costly.

Quote from: Frogfish on Today at 09:56:56 AM
Those early defeats to Spurs and Aston Villa are already starting to look less costly.

That, depends on which way you look at it

regards

In every case a loss is costly no matter when or how, it happens, it is compounded when the loss is to a team that is eminently beatable

regards

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36111.msg952785#msg952785 date=1254140372]

The league is won by points not by how we play, just ask an Arsenal fan.

In NO situation is a lose better than a draw.

Thank you Neal, it brings us right back to my original post questioning the wisdom of the hack saying the defeats now seem less costly.

Quote from: Frogfish on Today at 09:56:56 AM
Those early defeats to Spurs and Aston Villa are already starting to look less costly.

That, depends on which way you look at it

regards

In every case a loss is costly no matter when or how, it happens, it is compounded when the loss is to a team that is eminently beatable

regards
[/quote]

spurs was alway going to be difficult first game of the season, I was surprised by the villa loss though. ho-hum. at least it made us more determined to go on a run.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952795#msg952795 date=1254140710]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36111.msg952785#msg952785 date=1254140372]

The league is won by points not by how we play, just ask an Arsenal fan.

In NO situation is a lose better than a draw.

Thank you Neal, it brings us right back to my original post questioning the wisdom of the hack saying the defeats now seem less costly.

Quote from: Frogfish on Today at 09:56:56 AM
Those early defeats to Spurs and Aston Villa are already starting to look less costly.

That, depends on which way you look at it

regards

In every case a loss is costly no matter when or how, it happens, it is compounded when the loss is to a team that is eminently beatable

regards
[/quote]

spurs was alway going to be difficult first game of the season, I was surprised by the villa loss though. ho-hum. at least it made us more determined to go on a run.
[/quote]

That's what I said.............ages ago

Let's be realistic on our first two games, Spurs was going to be difficult, but we should have walked the Villa game (in fact most of them did).

regards

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36111.msg952809#msg952809 date=1254141271]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952795#msg952795 date=1254140710]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36111.msg952785#msg952785 date=1254140372]

The league is won by points not by how we play, just ask an Arsenal fan.

In NO situation is a lose better than a draw.

Thank you Neal, it brings us right back to my original post questioning the wisdom of the hack saying the defeats now seem less costly.

Quote from: Frogfish on Today at 09:56:56 AM
Those early defeats to Spurs and Aston Villa are already starting to look less costly.

That, depends on which way you look at it

regards

In every case a loss is costly no matter when or how, it happens, it is compounded when the loss is to a team that is eminently beatable

regards
[/quote]

spurs was alway going to be difficult first game of the season, I was surprised by the villa loss though. ho-hum. at least it made us more determined to go on a run.
[/quote]

That's what I said.............ages ago

Let's be realistic on our first two games, Spurs was going to be difficult, but we should have walked the Villa game (in fact most of them did).

regards
[/quote]

so you did. anyway the loses are done now, onwards and upwards

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36111.msg952676#msg952676 date=1254134898]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36111.msg952666#msg952666 date=1254134232]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=36111.msg952660#msg952660 date=1254133981]
It's practically the same as last season, when Utd, Chelsea and so on dropped points, we had an opportunity to better their results, but we rarely did. Was that ok?
[/quote]

manu played chelsea twice and twice we played stoke and drew which you could argue cost us the league but the truth is the draws cost us the league not the loses (unless obviously we won those two games). the main thing we turn our see of draws into wins and that will require we gamble more which may result in more loses but a win, a loss and draw is better than three draws.
[/quote]
Neil stop digging. The point is that any points you drop must have the potential to be very costly particularly as regards the top four this year. It does not matter how you flower it up and trade it off.
Let's be realistic on our first two games, Spurs was going to be difficult, but we should have walked the Villa game (in fact most of them did). That three points at the moment has cost us top spot and who knows in the final analysis it is entirely possible it still would

regards
[/quote]

Bang on Vlad.

I can forgive the performance against Spurs being the first game and away, but the Villa result was truly shocking.

We've got a bitch of a month coming up and those 3 points dropped might prove to be very costly indeed.

 

[Avmenon]

Everyone is correct about the points dropped, but I feel that Neil's point is being missed.

We lost no. 19 last year because we dropped more points than The Scum; but the points dropped came in the shape of draws, not defeats.

The reason is because all too often we went into games trying not to lose, rather than trying to win clinically.

I think Neil is talking about mindset.

 

[spider-Neil]

mentality is exactly right. for example, if manu were breathing down our necks with points on the board rather than games in hand we would have gone for games more but we lulled ourselves into a false sense of security with the weeks we spent at the top of the table, 'oh, another draw, ner mind eh we didn't lose and we're still top...'

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=36111.msg952958#msg952958 date=1254151727]
Everyone is correct about the points dropped, but I feel that Neil's point is being missed.

We lost no. 19 last year because we dropped more points than The Scum; but the points dropped came in the shape of draws, not defeats.

The reason is because all too often we went into games trying not to lose, rather than trying to win clinically.

I think Neil is talking about mindset.
[/quote]

Neil is talking mindset , but he missed the point]

regards

 

[KopKing]

I'm not convinced we're throwing caution to the wind at all. Our approach is the same as last season and our style of play. I think we had our 'Eureka' moment during the last 3 months of the season when we learnt how to consistently win matches. Our forward play is just more efficient now than it was which makes us a very dangerous team. Long may it continue.

Dropped points are always costly, but everyone drops points. We just have to somehow drop less than everyone else. The two defeats are no way as costly now as they were at the time, but we need to continue winning. I'm enjoying our football and think we're a pretty good team and I'm confident we can beat anyone these days.