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LFC SOLD to NESV.

Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

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[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41783.msg1192902#msg1192902 date=1286831589]
Another late substitution by Liverpool, clearly just running down the clock, they're bringing on Moores and Parry for Spider-Neil's Endless Questions but it gives the Anfield faithful one last chance to say goodbye to these two great servants to the club and you can clearly see the whole stadium has erupted as soon as they were seen warming up on the sidelines.

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..................................Mr. Lim the Arab


High court......Dodgy owners........Angry creditors..........Relegation


Trophyless season.......Lucas........Poulson.........Crap manager


...............Point deduction............Moores and Parry






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Hillarious. Gene, is Richie Clayderman on the bench?
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Hey NESV injured?
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

Profile of the judge, from the Guardian:


Mr Justice Floyd has presided over a number of high-profile court cases in his time. But it is unlikely that a patent dispute over the copyright to Henry Hoover, a royalties decision in favour of the session violinist who played on the Bluebells hit Young at Heart or a spat over the name of a Stella McCartney perfume will generate nearly as much heat as that seventh on the cause list for court 16 tomorrow.

The nub of the argument remains the same as when the battle for control of Liverpool exploded into the open last week. Floyd, a contract and intellectual property law specialist, will be called on to decide whether Tom Hicks and George Gillett, Liverpool's co-owners, broke a contractual agreement with Royal Bank of Scotland when they last week attempted sack the club's commercial director, Ian Ayre, and chief executive, Christian Purslow.

As Martin Broughton, the independent director brought in by RBS as part of its refinancing agreement with Hicks and Gillett in April, has repeatedly argued in countless interviews since, he believes that RBS had a binding agreement with Hicks and Gillett that gave him sole reponsibility over the board and prevented them interfering in the sale process.

Neil Matthews, a corporate partner with Eversheds, said it was "unusual" to have such detailed undertakings written into a refinancing agreement. "The undertakings given to the board are very unusual," he said. "The introduction of an independent chairman is not unusual, but it would be rare for shareholders to forego their ability to sack a board."

It seems clear that Broughton must be sure of his ground. Much will depend on the wording of the clauses and the judge's interpretation of the competing aspects of company and contract law. "Company law is very clear in that it does give shareholders the power to remove directors. But the question is then whether it puts them in breach of contract," said Matthews.

Today's case is being brought by RBS, with the club's independent chairman and directors also expected to seek a declamatory judgment in a separate parallel process that they hope will confirm they have the right to sell the club. The bank is bringing the case because the signed legal undertakings were with RBS rather than the club.

As such, the case will boil down to whether the disputed agreements exist and are legally binding. Further legal argument is expected to follow over whether, under company law, Hicks and Gillett did have the right to dissolve and reconstitute the board and whether that action can be subsequently undone.

"The essential point to the case will be the wording of the agreements relied upon by the parties and the bank in particular," said Richard Curtin, special counsel at Faegre & Benson LLP. "I will be surprised if RBS got their paperwork wrong. I would also comment that they are likely to have explored every possibility in preparation for the dispute at court and whatever ramifications could follow.

"Mr Justice Floyd will not be swayed by any emotion and he will deal with the case as you would expect of a high court judge. It is not entirely certain that the case will ultimately be heard by him as it could be passed to another judge in the Chancery Division."

That is a lawyer's way of saying that this could run and run beyond Sunday's Merseyside derby. RBS insiders indicated yesterday that should the case, and any likely appeal, go beyond the 15 October deadline when their £237m financing agreement expires it would be highly unlikely to force the club into administration.

An already murky picture was further obscured last night with the re-emergence on the scene of the rival bidder that the club referred to last week, named for the first time as the Singapore billionaire Peter Lim.

The presence of another bidder had already riled New England Sports Ventures and its board became further unsettled over the weekend by suggestions that the club could go into administration and be hit with a nine-point penalty.

But like Broughton, the rest of the board, the now hated shareholders, the hedge fund company in the US that is believed to have control of Gillett's stake in the holding company and hundreds of thousands of Liverpool fans, its fate now rests in the hands of Justice Floyd.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=41783.msg1192889#msg1192889 date=1286829664]
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41783.msg1192888#msg1192888 date=1286829533]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1192873#msg1192873 date=1286828114]
do you know what is really fucking annoying about the corinthians debacle? the fact parry and moores could have googled that information with their personal PCs let alone due dilligence they supposedly peformed on hicks and gillet.
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I would ban Moores from Anfield for life.
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If Moores fucked up it's due to plain stupidity and not malice. Parry however has no such excuses...
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People need to go back and read Moores´ interview a while back.

It is nowhere near as simple as is being made out ç.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41783.msg1192972#msg1192972 date=1286872168]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=41783.msg1192889#msg1192889 date=1286829664]
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41783.msg1192888#msg1192888 date=1286829533]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1192873#msg1192873 date=1286828114]
do you know what is really fucking annoying about the corinthians debacle? the fact parry and moores could have googled that information with their personal PCs let alone due dilligence they supposedly peformed on hicks and gillet.
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I would ban Moores from Anfield for life.
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If Moores fucked up it's due to plain stupidity and not malice. Parry however has no such excuses...
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People need to go back and read Moores´ interview a while back.

It is nowhere near as simple as is being made out.
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But surely you realise Ross, that the truth should never be allowed to get in the way of a good scapegoating
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41783.msg1192972#msg1192972 date=1286872168]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=41783.msg1192889#msg1192889 date=1286829664]
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41783.msg1192888#msg1192888 date=1286829533]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1192873#msg1192873 date=1286828114]
do you know what is really fucking annoying about the corinthians debacle? the fact parry and moores could have googled that information with their personal PCs let alone due dilligence they supposedly peformed on hicks and gillet.
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I would ban Moores from Anfield for life.
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If Moores fucked up it's due to plain stupidity and not malice. Parry however has no such excuses...
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People need to go back and read Moores´ interview a while back.

It is nowhere near as simple as is being made out.
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But surely you realise Ross, that the truth should never be allowed to get in the way of a good scapegoating

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Indeed. DIC had plans to load debt onto the club. Tom and George lied and said they never. Hindsight is a marvellous thing.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

How much debt would DIC have "loaded" on the club? Every enterprise as big as LFC borrows money (even NESV won't wipe the whole of the debt out - some of it will remain as a line of credit for the new stadium).

It doesn't take hindsight to realise Moores should have done due diligence on Hicks instead of simply accepting Gillett's word for him. As for Parry, Tony Evans confirmed (again) yesterday that he was history if DIC had taken over, so his advice to Moores was hardly objective.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

PROSPECTIVE Reds buyer John Henry today thanked Liverpool FC fans for their kind words of support as he waits to find out whether the courts will approve the sale process.

On the morning of the vital court case to decide whether his New England Sports Venture consortium will be allowed to buy LFC, Mr Henry reached out to fans.

On social networking website Twitter, he broke his silence and said: “Hello LFC supporters!

“Thanks! Yes, everyone is hoping for the best. There have been enough twists and turns. Hopefully all gets sorted out soon; LFC moves forward."

He followed up by tweeting: “It would be inappropriate and presumptuous at this time to respond to questions. In the interim, we're all rooting for the same thing.â€

The ECHO understand the Boston Red Sox owner is keen to engage with fans.

Mr Henry is said to have become increasingly frustrated that he has not yet been able to travel to Merseyside to meet fans and do interviews.


I wonder if Babel might be in favour again?...
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

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I wonder if Babel might be in favour again?...
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Arf !
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

Ha.

Apparently it was a Liverpool fan who works for the Red Sox who initially got him into this, by e-mailing him and asking if he'd be interested in rescuing LFC.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41783.msg1193017#msg1193017 date=1286874467]
Ha.

Apparently it was a Liverpool fan who works for the Red Sox who initially got him into this, by e-mailing him and asking if he'd be interested in rescuing LFC.
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Where did you hear that?
 
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In the opening paragraph of a long and interesting article in last weekend's "Sunday Times". Here it is:

"It started with a Dear John letter. Like many rich men, John W.Henry receives numerous requests for help but this was different. It came not from a desperate stranger but one of his own employees, at the Boston Red Sox baseball club, and was more romantic than just a personal plea for money. Addressed also to Larry Lucchino, the Red Sox president, the communication implored: 'Would you be interested in rescuing my football club?' That was two months ago; the club was Liverpool."
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

Fuckin el. If that's true, kudos to the guy and Henry for taking it seriously.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

Well, as far as that goes, the article continues further on:

"He had bought the Red Sox through his investment vehicle, New England Sports Ventures (NESV) in 2002 and its analysts were struck by parallels between Liverpool now and the Red Sox then. The baseball franchise was an iconic but struggling team with a vast local and national fanbase whose loyalty was sustaining but underutilised.

'A group of [NESV] employees began seeing similarities between Liverpool and the Red Sox and eventually the owners were briefed and were intrigued by a number of things Major League Baseball [MLB] doesn't allow its clubs to do', says a well-placed source. 'MLB clubs don't control their own website or even their own kit. The Red Sox are limited to New England. All of these things are available to a global club like Liverpool FC.'

It was not only about business, however. The chance to do something different and the fun Henry felt could be had competing on the largest playing field in sport were central to Liverpool's attraction. 'It was a chance for NESV to go global', says the source."
 
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If that's true JJ, that guy will never buy a drink again.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41783.msg1193023#msg1193023 date=1286874651]
In the opening paragraph of a long and interesting article in last weekend's "Sunday Times". Here it is:

"It started with a Dear John letter. Like many rich men, John W.Henry receives numerous requests for help but this was different. It came not from a desperate stranger but one of his own employees, at the Boston Red Sox baseball club, and was more romantic than just a personal plea for money. Addressed also to Larry Lucchino, the Red Sox president, the communication implored: 'Would you be interested in rescuing my football club?' That was two months ago; the club was Liverpool."
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wow, that fan deserves kudos for that!
 
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Too right. And Henry will get a very different reception in any pub close to the ground from the one Fuckface Hicks junior got.
 
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Wow indeed, it's a very romantic story....
 
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If that's true JJ, that guy will never buy a drink again.
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definately, he should come forwards and take all the praise he is due.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41783.msg1193036#msg1193036 date=1286875978]
Too right. And Henry will get a very different reception in any pub close to the ground from the one Fuckface Hicks junior got.
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hicks jnr deserves praise as well...


but for his outburst the board would be 3 to 2 in hicks' favour.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

There's no doubt these guys are much more savvy businessmen than H&G, and we can expect to be run with a realistic plan to expand/rebuild and to have a better infrastructure (although it has to be said that our marketing infrastructure has definitely improved under the current regime). However, somewhere along the line they'll want a return on the investment. These aren't fans, their job always will be to milk the club of cash for investors. Can that ever work successfully as a model for the running of a flagship football club?
 
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We've been run well for decades prior to this and made profits, I see no reason why it can't continue.

In fact we'd be profitabl now were it not for the meaningless debt placed on the lub.
 
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We've been run well for decades prior to this and made profits, I see no reason why it can't continue.

In fact we'd be profitabl now were it not for the meaningless debt placed on the lub.
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Yes but didn't more of the profits go back into the club, for buying players and so on, rather than being creamed by investors?
 
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That's true.

Hopefully our investors are a bit more prudent and see that greater success on the pitch will translate to more money for them later on.
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41783.msg1193042#msg1193042 date=1286876210]
There's no doubt these guys are much more savvy businessmen than H&G, and we can expect to be run with a realistic plan to expand/rebuild and to have a better infrastructure (although it has to be said that our marketing infrastructure has definitely improved under the current regime). However, somewhere along the line they'll want a return on the investment. These aren't fans, their job always will be to milk the club of cash for investors. Can that ever work successfully as a model for the running of a flagship football club?
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i think it's rare, but you only have to look at arsenal to see that it's possible. and how influential the uefa FFP rules are will be important, as there will no longer be pressure on clubs to stretch themselves just to compete. it'll be much easier to make money without that constant upward pressure on costs.

and actually, it's not just arsenal - man utd make amazing profits and they'd be laughing if it wasn't for the glazers.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=41783.msg1193034#msg1193034 date=1286875831]
If that's true JJ, that guy will never buy a drink again.
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Until or unless these owners turn into nightmares like the last lot...
 
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we are absolutely ideally placed when the new rules come into practice, the likes of chelsea and man city are fucked, but saying that chelsea's recent success has drastically improved their turnover.
 
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Any change brings risk with it though, Bunny. IMHO the greater risk would be to leave things as they are.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41783.msg1193051#msg1193051 date=1286876704]
Any change brings risk with it though, Bunny. IMHO the greater risk would be to leave things as they are.
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I'm not suggesting otherwise. And on the whole, I'm quite optimistic about this lot. But it's a bit early to start saying that the guy who started it need never buy a drink again.
 
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