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I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.
To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
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How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.
I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.
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Kuyt > Valencia, Nani
Kuyt > Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Insert other Arsenal Midfield player here. Rosicky in his pomp is a cracking player mind. Walcot could easily be classed as a striker.
It's hard to say for Chelsea cause they don't use an a RW at times. Is it fair to compare Kuyt with Essien for example?
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I'd rather Valencia on the RW but I guess thats just opinion.
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I've decided instead of getting angry/laughing at you, I'll ask why.
Why Dreambeliever, would you prefer Antonio '7 goals in 90 Premier League games' Valencia over Dirk Kuyt?
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Simply. We drew to many games last year where we couldn't break teams that parked a bus in front of the goal.
To break these teams down we need pace out wide to stretch them and get in behind them.
I think considering we have slow as xmas Reira or cut inside Yossi on the left then I'd rather have the pace of Valencia than the workrate of Kuyt in those all to many stalemate games we had last year.
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So basically you'd prefer someone with pace and no goals, over someone with average pace and goals.
Why stop at Antonio Valencia then, let's get Usain cunting Bolt in.
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Kuyt went 5 months without a goal before he started scoring its been 1 month barely at a new club for valencia. Give him a chance.
It's all opinions, not a Ryan is right or a Patrick is right.
Thats football. If you don't think Valencia would add an extra demension to our 1 paced attack from the wings so be it.
I think he would. If nothing else he would stretch defences and pull people out of position creating space for the likes of Torres to get free more often and hence score more.
At the end of the day I think Liverpool as a team would be more of threat going forward with the likes of Valencia (or another pacey attacking midfielder) than Kuyt.
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It's pretty safe to say that you're never right Pat, so work off that from now on.
Valencia has a goalscoring ratio of 1 in 12 in England. He's never scored a goal in European competition, and has 5 goals for his country.
Dirk on the other hand has a ratio of 1 in 3, has 12 Champions League goals, and 15 (I think) for Holland.
But you're right; Valencia is quick, and that would be much better to have on the right-wing than a proven goalscorer.
