Kuyt Setting Euro Records

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945553#msg945553 date=1253233706]
I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
[/quote]

How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.

I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35892.msg945556#msg945556 date=1253233897]
Some people are easily pleased, no wonder we won't win the league.
Good night I'm off to bed

regards
[/quote]

From the man who constantly lauded the merits of Peter Crouch.

Good night is right.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=35892.msg945560#msg945560 date=1253234022]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945553#msg945553 date=1253233706]
I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists  that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
[/quote]

How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.

I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.


[/quote]

Kuyt > Valencia, Nani
Kuyt > Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Insert other Arsenal Midfield player here. Rosicky in his pomp is a cracking player mind. Walcot could easily be classed as a striker.

It's hard to say for Chelsea cause they don't use an a RW at times. Is it fair to compare Kuyt with Essien for example?

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35892.msg945562#msg945562 date=1253234056]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35892.msg945556#msg945556 date=1253233897]
Some people are easily pleased, no wonder we won't win the league.
Good night I'm off to bed

regards
[/quote]

From the man who constantly lauded the merits of Peter Crouch.

Good night is right.
[/quote]

As a squad player yes. I always valued what Crouch brought to the table.

But mentioning him is a different topic.

We are talking about Kuyt who had a great season last year and has started well this year but is by no stretch of the imagination as good as many make out.

We didn't buy wingers this summer so need whoever player wide be it Kuyt or whoever to really push on and improve on last year if we want to win the league.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=35892.msg945564#msg945564 date=1253234357]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35892.msg945562#msg945562 date=1253234056]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35892.msg945556#msg945556 date=1253233897]
Some people are easily pleased, no wonder we won't win the league.
Good night I'm off to bed

regards
[/quote]

From the man who constantly lauded the merits of Peter Crouch.

Good night is right.
[/quote]

As a squad player yes. I always valued what Crouch brought to the table.

But mentioning him is a different topic.

We are talking about Kuyt who had a great season last year and has started well this year but is by no stretch of the imagination as good as many make out.

We didn't buy wingers this summer so need whoever player wide be it Kuyt or whoever to really push on and improve on last year if we want to win the league.
[/quote]

If we had a player on the left who could emulate Kuyt's stats from last year we'd be laughing.

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945563#msg945563 date=1253234235]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=35892.msg945560#msg945560 date=1253234022]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945553#msg945553 date=1253233706]
I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
[/quote]

How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.

I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.


[/quote]

Kuyt > Valencia, Nani
Kuyt > Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Insert other Arsenal Midfield player here. Rosicky in his pomp is a cracking player mind. Walcot could easily be classed as a striker.

It's hard to say for Chelsea cause they don't use an a RW at times. Is it fair to compare Kuyt with Essien for example?
[/quote]

I'd rather Valencia on the RW but I guess thats just opinion.

Also Diaby when fit has been a terrific player for Arsenal.

Rosisky is no contest and Chelsea are a different story due to their formation.

In any case the point is that I think our weakest points at the moment is up front and out wide so yes Kuyt is good but I'm not convinced he's good enough for a side who will win a league.

Time will tell I guess and he has started well this season and hopefully will continue to do the business.

 

[ILD]

I like Diaby too but he should be playing through the middle. I don't see him as a winger at all.

The much malinged Dirk Kuyt is the least of our worries concering our league ambitions and I do think he is good enough for A league winning side. He is easily good enough in my opinion. We'll agree to disagree DB.

 

[keniget]

I didn't think Valencia was all that at Wigan and was quite surprised that Utd chased him for so long. Once he signed for Utd, I expected to be illuminated... but I have to say... still not seeing it.

He's incredibly athletic, but in terms of genuine footballing quality, he's not quite up there with what you'd expect from Utd in attack.

 

[Ryan]

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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=35892.msg945560#msg945560 date=1253234022]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945553#msg945553 date=1253233706]
I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
[/quote]

How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.

I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.


[/quote]

Kuyt > Valencia, Nani
Kuyt > Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Insert other Arsenal Midfield player here. Rosicky in his pomp is a cracking player mind. Walcot could easily be classed as a striker.

It's hard to say for Chelsea cause they don't use an a RW at times. Is it fair to compare Kuyt with Essien for example?
[/quote]

I'd rather Valencia on the RW but I guess thats just opinion.

[/quote]

I've decided instead of getting angry/laughing at you, I'll ask why.

Why Dreambeliever, would you prefer Antonio '7 goals in 90 Premier League games' Valencia over Dirk Kuyt?

 

[aqua.Lai.ni]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945553#msg945553 date=1253233706]
I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
[/quote]

^^ this.

imo, more than often when kuyt plays, he play with passion like he is through and through a scouser, just like carragher, gerrard (minus the talent), with plenty of tracking back chasing for ball, following up on rebounds. One important note, he came out of feyenoord as a striker, but he did not relent, rant, but instead he worked hard when he was played out of position.

Might not be the best, but definitely, among the top of the rest.

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35892.msg945581#msg945581 date=1253237860]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=35892.msg945574#msg945574 date=1253236058]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945563#msg945563 date=1253234235]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=35892.msg945560#msg945560 date=1253234022]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945553#msg945553 date=1253233706]
I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
[/quote]

How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.

I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.


[/quote]

Kuyt > Valencia, Nani
Kuyt > Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Insert other Arsenal Midfield player here. Rosicky in his pomp is a cracking player mind. Walcot could easily be classed as a striker.

It's hard to say for Chelsea cause they don't use an a RW at times. Is it fair to compare Kuyt with Essien for example?
[/quote]

I'd rather Valencia on the RW but I guess thats just opinion.

[/quote]

I've decided instead of getting angry/laughing at you, I'll ask why.

Why Dreambeliever, would you prefer Antonio '7 goals in 90 Premier League games' Valencia over Dirk Kuyt?
[/quote]

Simply. We drew to many games last year where we couldn't break teams that parked a bus in front of the goal.

To break these teams down we need pace out wide to stretch them and get in behind them.

I think considering we have slow as xmas Reira or cut inside Yossi on the left then I'd rather have the pace of Valencia than the workrate of Kuyt in those all to many stalemate games we had last year.

 

[Fallon]

What good is pace if it doesn't result in balls flying into the box? At least Kuyt gets rid of the ball when he runs into trouble.

 

[gareth_thomas]

i love Kuyt..


He is more of a Hilux truck than a fine tuned Ferrari..

More of a tugboat than a million pound yaught.

more of a donkey than a thoroughbred stallion.

More of a sausage and mash kinda bloke than a pancetta wrapped fillet of angus accompanied with creamy polenta cakes in Jus type of guy.

more of a BIC pen rather than a shiny new Parker pen.

More like the trusty gaffa tape than the expensive shiney see through crap.




If Kuyt was supposed to be our most talented footballer... id be in tears but i think his hardworking never say die attitude sometimes gives me goose bumps..

HEEEEEYY YOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUU GUUUYYYYYYYSSSSSS..

 

[MaBigTip]

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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35892.msg945562#msg945562 date=1253234056]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35892.msg945556#msg945556 date=1253233897]
Some people are easily pleased, no wonder we won't win the league.
Good night I'm off to bed

regards
[/quote]

From the man who constantly lauded the merits of Peter Crouch.

Good night is right.
[/quote]

As a squad player yes. I always valued what Crouch brought to the table.

But mentioning him is a different topic.

We are talking about Kuyt who had a great season last year and has started well this year but is by no stretch of the imagination as good as many make out.

We didn't buy wingers this summer so need whoever player wide be it Kuyt or whoever to really push on and improve on last year if we want to win the league.
[/quote]

If we had a player on the left who could emulate Kuyt's stats from last year we'd be laughing.
[/quote]

The player we should have on the left laughs all over Kuyts stats considering half of his goals were at striker in a 4-4-2.

Actually our untouchable winger:
Yossi 21 games started 11 subs 8 goals 5 assists - in the league last year.

Edit: Nothin against Kuyt he is fine to have on our team. But if I was trying to improve our attacking play I could easily give him up.  The fact that Rafa put Kuyt in the center behind Torres the last two games  over Benayoun is a joke and the biggest reason why I don't like Kuyt is Rafa's undeniable favoritism. Leads to bad decisions such as never dropping Kuyt on a 7 month scoreless run.

 

[LarryHagman]

Kuyt's great. Die for the shirt attitude, can pay a number of positions, never complains. Defintely worthy of a spot. But up there with the best he ain't. A good team doesn't need 11 galacticos. He's one of those players who suits the way we play and does well. He might well be crap for another team. If he was up for grabs, I don't think Europe's top clubs would be interested but you can't devalue the job he does for us. RW (right-forward) is an area we don't need to address as priority becuase of the job he does.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945553#msg945553 date=1253233706]
I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
[/quote]

I think that pretty well sums him up ... he is more than the sum of his parts.

However, there was a spell, the season before last and at the beginning of last season when his form dipped, Xabi-esque. It is fair enough to criticise a player in a rut and even to replace him if he shows no sign of getting out of it.

In respect to current form there is certainly no-one else in our squad I would prefer on our RM and because of the way he dovetails beautifully with Johnson I find it hard pressed to think of another EPL RM I would prefer there, Lennon maybe.

 

[Frogfish]

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[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945553#msg945553 date=1253233706]
I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
[/quote]

How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.

I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.


[/quote]

Kuyt > Valencia, Nani
Kuyt > Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Insert other Arsenal Midfield player here. Rosicky in his pomp is a cracking player mind. Walcot could easily be classed as a striker.

It's hard to say for Chelsea cause they don't use an a RW at times. Is it fair to compare Kuyt with Essien for example?
[/quote]

I'd rather Valencia on the RW but I guess thats just opinion.

[/quote]

I've decided instead of getting angry/laughing at you, I'll ask why.

Why Dreambeliever, would you prefer Antonio '7 goals in 90 Premier League games' Valencia over Dirk Kuyt?
[/quote]

Simply. We drew to many games last year where we couldn't break teams that parked a bus in front of the goal.

To break these teams down we need pace out wide to stretch them and get in behind them.

I think considering we have slow as xmas Reira or cut inside Yossi on the left then I'd rather have the pace of Valencia than the workrate of Kuyt in those all to many stalemate games we had last year.
[/quote]

Last season that statement would be correct ... but this year we have Johnson and Kuyt seems to be the perfect foil for him so far.

 

[MaBigTip]

players off my head that are in the PL that could play right mid for us and I'd prefer in that position:

Lennon
Young
Arshavin
Rooney(he's the much better Kuyt)
Benayoun
Gerrard
Robinho
Tevez

pretty good list of players, I am fine with Kuyt on our right side. I'd even rather get a better backup CF then replace Kuyt

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Assulin link=topic=35892.msg945620#msg945620 date=1253248180]
players off my head that are in the PL that could play right mid for us and I'd prefer in that position:

Lennon - absolutely
Young - not RW
Arshavin - not RW
Rooney(he's the much better Kuyt) - give us a break, do we have a spare 80M ?
Benayoun - no - better at AM. Even when we have a fully fit 11 he would not improve the team there
Gerrard - and who would play CM or AM ?
Robinho - give us a break, do we have a spare 50M ?
Tevez - that ship has sailed
[/quote]

Ok - let me clarify. Reallistically.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Assulin link=topic=35892.msg945620#msg945620 date=1253248180]
players off my head that are in the PL that could play right mid for us and I'd prefer in that position:

Lennon
Young
Arshavin
Rooney(he's the much better Kuyt)
Benayoun
Gerrard
Robinho
Tevez
[/quote]

Sweet Jesus.

 

[Ryan]

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[quote author=ILD link=topic=35892.msg945553#msg945553 date=1253233706]
I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
[/quote]

How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.

I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.


[/quote]

Kuyt > Valencia, Nani
Kuyt > Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Insert other Arsenal Midfield player here. Rosicky in his pomp is a cracking player mind. Walcot could easily be classed as a striker.

It's hard to say for Chelsea cause they don't use an a RW at times. Is it fair to compare Kuyt with Essien for example?
[/quote]

I'd rather Valencia on the RW but I guess thats just opinion.

[/quote]

I've decided instead of getting angry/laughing at you, I'll ask why.

Why Dreambeliever, would you prefer Antonio '7 goals in 90 Premier League games' Valencia over Dirk Kuyt?
[/quote]

Simply. We drew to many games last year where we couldn't break teams that parked a bus in front of the goal.

To break these teams down we need pace out wide to stretch them and get in behind them.

I think considering we have slow as xmas Reira or cut inside Yossi on the left then I'd rather have the pace of Valencia than the workrate of Kuyt in those all to many stalemate games we had last year.
[/quote]

So basically you'd prefer someone with pace and no goals, over someone with average pace and goals.

Why stop at Antonio Valencia then, let's get Usain cunting Bolt in.

 

[MaBigTip]

lol, I wasn't suggesting we get the players. and Benayoun on the right would make us a much better side


I think Kuyt is fine, he just isn't the bees knees. And remember he is still our RW who can't consistently cross the ball and has very little creativity.

 

[MaBigTip]

[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35892.msg945621#msg945621 date=1253248547]
Gerrard - and who would play CM or AM ?
[/quote]

          Masch      Aquilani


Gerrard        Benayoun        Riera

                      Torres

But I'd put Kuyt in though, I just think we could easily improve and he is definitely isn't the Ideal RWF

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Assulin link=topic=35892.msg945628#msg945628 date=1253250592]
lol, I wasn't suggesting we get the players. and Benayoun on the right would make us a much better side

[/quote]

I'm all for opinions and people putting forward their thoughts.

But not in this case, cos you're just plain wrong.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=35892.msg945585#msg945585 date=1253238657]
I think considering we have slow as xmas Reira or cut inside Yossi on the left then I'd rather have the pace of Valencia than the workrate of Kuyt in those all to many stalemate games we had last year.
[/quote]

For someone who likes Yossi, you sure have an odd way of showing it ...

 

[aqua.Lai.ni]

[quote author=Assulin link=topic=35892.msg945620#msg945620 date=1253248180]
players off my head that are in the PL that could play right mid for us and I'd prefer in that position:

Lennon -
Young -
Arshavin -
Rooney(he's the much better Kuyt) - fuck me. the 'i will never leave everton' kissing scum badge shrek?
Benayoun - so he moves to the right. then we can create another topic of "should kuyt play the left?"
Gerrard - this is the 23-25 energetic Gerrard, ya talking about right? One of the main reason he is playing nearer to Torres, i think, is because he can hardly sustain 90 minutes of box to box action. My thoughts.
Robinho - no thanks. i rather keep kuyt, at least kuyt can defend and covers johnson when overlapping.
Tevez - no thanks. dun see him as any big step forward compare with Kuyt.

pretty good list of players, I am fine with Kuyt on our right side. I'd even rather get a better backup CF then replace Kuyt
[/quote]

Lennon and young would be good, but since they are english internationals, we will need to pay the 'English' ransom

 

[Dreambeliever]

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I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
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How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.

I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.


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Kuyt > Valencia, Nani
Kuyt > Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Insert other Arsenal Midfield player here. Rosicky in his pomp is a cracking player mind. Walcot could easily be classed as a striker.

It's hard to say for Chelsea cause they don't use an a RW at times. Is it fair to compare Kuyt with Essien for example?
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I'd rather Valencia on the RW but I guess thats just opinion.

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I've decided instead of getting angry/laughing at you, I'll ask why.

Why Dreambeliever, would you prefer Antonio '7 goals in 90 Premier League games' Valencia over Dirk Kuyt?
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Simply. We drew to many games last year where we couldn't break teams that parked a bus in front of the goal.

To break these teams down we need pace out wide to stretch them and get in behind them.

I think considering we have slow as xmas Reira or cut inside Yossi on the left then I'd rather have the pace of Valencia than the workrate of Kuyt in those all to many stalemate games we had last year.
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Last season that statement would be correct ... but this year we have Johnson and Kuyt seems to be the perfect foil for him so far.
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True but so far being the important part.

We have played only two teams of any note and both beat us.

 

[Ryan]

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I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
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How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.

I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.


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Kuyt > Valencia, Nani
Kuyt > Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Insert other Arsenal Midfield player here. Rosicky in his pomp is a cracking player mind. Walcot could easily be classed as a striker.

It's hard to say for Chelsea cause they don't use an a RW at times. Is it fair to compare Kuyt with Essien for example?
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I'd rather Valencia on the RW but I guess thats just opinion.

[/quote]

I've decided instead of getting angry/laughing at you, I'll ask why.

Why Dreambeliever, would you prefer Antonio '7 goals in 90 Premier League games' Valencia over Dirk Kuyt?
[/quote]

Simply. We drew to many games last year where we couldn't break teams that parked a bus in front of the goal.

To break these teams down we need pace out wide to stretch them and get in behind them.

I think considering we have slow as xmas Reira or cut inside Yossi on the left then I'd rather have the pace of Valencia than the workrate of Kuyt in those all to many stalemate games we had last year.
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Last season that statement would be correct ... but this year we have Johnson and Kuyt seems to be the perfect foil for him so far.
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True but so far being the important part.

We have played only two teams of any note and both beat us.
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Which completely contradicts your previous point about 'not being able to beat teams that parked a bus' doesn't it?

Fucking AAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........

 

[Dreambeliever]

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I find it odd when people, just like Keni above say they haven't warmed to Kuyt. I think he is one of the most likeable players in the squad and even one of my favourite players. Great for us on the pitch, (chips in with goals, assists and immense work rate and show leadership qualities from time to time) and great off the pitch as he rarely voices an outlandish word to the media. A model pro and as Ryan said a managers dream. He is Rafa soldier so to speak. Yes he drifts into a rut from time to time but never shirks responsibility and is imperative in any big game will play.

To call him a grafter is an injustice to the player. Dirk has shown with important goals and assists that he is clearly more than just a work horse.
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How about the fact I love Kuyt for all his effort, love seeing him score and wish every player had his desire and work rate yet I still don't rate him as more than a grafter as Vlad says.

I think our own fans can be very blinkered at times. He would not get into any of the top 5 sides apart from us on the right wing. He is doing a good job as a striker on the right wing. I would still like to see him played in his favourite position but thats not going to happen under Rafa.


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Kuyt > Valencia, Nani
Kuyt > Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Insert other Arsenal Midfield player here. Rosicky in his pomp is a cracking player mind. Walcot could easily be classed as a striker.

It's hard to say for Chelsea cause they don't use an a RW at times. Is it fair to compare Kuyt with Essien for example?
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I'd rather Valencia on the RW but I guess thats just opinion.

[/quote]

I've decided instead of getting angry/laughing at you, I'll ask why.

Why Dreambeliever, would you prefer Antonio '7 goals in 90 Premier League games' Valencia over Dirk Kuyt?
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Simply. We drew to many games last year where we couldn't break teams that parked a bus in front of the goal.

To break these teams down we need pace out wide to stretch them and get in behind them.

I think considering we have slow as xmas Reira or cut inside Yossi on the left then I'd rather have the pace of Valencia than the workrate of Kuyt in those all to many stalemate games we had last year.
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So basically you'd prefer someone with pace and no goals, over someone with average pace and goals.

Why stop at Antonio Valencia then, let's get Usain cunting Bolt in.
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Kuyt went 5 months without a goal before he started scoring its been 1 month barely at a new club for valencia. Give him a chance.

It's all opinions, not a Ryan is right or a Patrick is right.

Thats football. If you don't think Valencia would add an extra demension to our 1 paced attack from the wings so be it.
I think he would. If nothing else he would stretch defences and pull people out of position creating space for the likes of Torres to get free more often and hence score more.

At the end of the day I think Liverpool as a team would be more of threat going forward with the likes of Valencia (or another pacey attacking midfielder) than Kuyt.

 

[Dreambeliever]

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I think considering we have slow as xmas Reira or cut inside Yossi on the left then I'd rather have the pace of Valencia than the workrate of Kuyt in those all to many stalemate games we had last year.
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For someone who likes Yossi, you sure have an odd way of showing it ...
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Ha ha he cuts in when on the left.

I love Yossi but really believe his position is in the hole and in the hole only. Anywhere else and he isn't using his full potential as proven by his only game in the hole this year. And generally speaking when he does play out wide must of his good work comes from cutting inside. The problem being against a team with 11 men behind the ball, this just conjests things and we often see him lose the ball or try a through ball that is impossible to execute.

Let him play in the whole and we will see a player who quickly becomes a must starter.