I'd forgotten that football is a game of stats.
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True.
Regarding the thread - erm.. have to ask - who do you guys that don't want him here - would you like to see in Klopp's place right now. I enjoy the football we play - and to be honest even when we won stuff under GH, and Rafa - it was a great feeling to win stuff - but not a single win was easy or convincing was it ? - it was always last minute shit and defensive shit and in many ways as bad as the shit we see under Klopp but at least we take the game to the opposition and suffer shit later.
I wear the SPQR flag. No idea what your CNDW flag look like....
My point is that we are moving places. Being instant right on all accounts is difficult... being wrong can be used either to correct things or hang yourself. But it seem like all wrongs we as a club does is down to individuals that deserve hanging...
In the quest for quick results you either sell your soul to the devil or you accept a slap in the face along the road.... you my friend seem like the odd type that wish you could handle a slap in the face, but clearly got no spine to carry it.... which is quite normal for YWAB's.
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You're just a coconut mate.... uninreresting at best
Rosco the issue as I think Klopp sees it is that individual mistakes are costing us but at the same time last night we could have been out of Arsenal's sight by the end of the first half and won the game 3-6 like he was suggesting and no one would give a shit. There are actually problems at both ends in reality:-
1) Our forward men are not always clinical with the chances they create, and also fail to make a difference against parked busses that have their handbrakes on firmly than most other teams. This happens MORE often than pure bad defending, and on this point @manwithnoname is correct in wanting a front man that can produce the goods regularly. We don't play with a recognised clinical striker - we really don't.
2) Since the Spurs game we are defending in numbers - players are getting behind the ball, but sometimes not reacting the right way as shown on MOTD today regarding their reactions. But early in the season there was no collective responsibility for defending which I think has been addressed by Klopp since the spurs game.
3) Individual mistakes - a couple by Ming this season, Moreno had that game against Seville, and Lovren against the blue shite.
Buying players to address these problems - would require a goalkeeper, defender, and striker, with no guarantees it would work out. Regarding goal keepers - since David James - I can honestly say only Reina inspired any confidence in me, because he was unaffected mentally by any mistakes he ever made during a game or after the game. Defenders ? - no guarantee, Strikers ? - don't know if it would work out. So Klopp probably thinks (rightly) that its better to work with what he has and get thier heads right because they have the skill-sets - just need some guidance.
Most people are arguing about our playing style being to attacking and the manager not knowing anything about defence - I don't believe that for a second - I actually think that Man City could potentially fuck up and make the same kind of mistakes if a team really went at them - such is the state of football - i have no idea if their defence is good or is it because they have the ball more or everybody they have played against just change to a new system against them and end up losing. I know one thing - we will find out when we play them.
Matip is a weak 50p head. If he’s our best that is the problem.
Nah, I think Lovren-Klavan is the best-performing CB pair this season to date and until his error I was actually thinking that Gomez already might be playing better than Clyne ever was (certainly compared to last season), the way he was dominating Sanchez up to that point. Still some inexperience, of course (although I’ve seen mature defenders, including Clyne, make similar errors), but overall I think Gomez belongs in our best back 4.
Well he's the more elegant of the 3 centre backs, so that clearly means he's better, in cloud Modo land.
If that was your point, you probably should have said that, instead of jumping in with the "so this is 100% on Klopp?" comment. Everytime someone is remotely critical of him, we have to put up with that sort of rubbish. Like Moron asking who his haters want him replaced with. I mean, really? What haters? The people who don't sugarcoat every bad decision he makes?
What the fuck are you even going on about? Slaps in the face? You mean repeated errors? Like dropping points from positions of strength in games? Not being able to feel assured that a 2 or 3 goal cushion is ever enough? People can take the occasional bump in the road, they're sometimes unforeseeable and you can occasionally bare the brunt of a bad decision or terrible luck - it happens. That's a totally different scenario to repeatedly making the same errors of judgement.
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Are you talking about Klopp when you say ‘repeated errors in judgement’?
Do you think we have progressed defensively? When we don't have the ball, do you feel assured that we won't concede? Do you ever feel that a two or three goal lead is enough? I don't and I'll wager most other fans don't, because we've shown enough times that we can easily concede goals and throw away leads that a top team would see out.
We said last season we needed another attacker or two (something yourself and a few other posters rebuffed, yet are now championing), we went out and bought three more attackers and we've progressed significantly offensively. Klopp did brilliantly doing that, something a few fans spotted last season as a problem, something that those fans were ridiculed for, by the same fans who are now getting a shitty on, everytime the defensive side of our game is picked holes out of.
The same posters are shooting these criticisms down now (surprise!), so forgive me if I take this "everything is great" outlook with a pinch of salt.
No one is saying that everything is wrong, we are making the same mistakes we have consistently made under Rodgers and now Klopp. It doesn't matter who the personnel are, the same fundamental flaws show themselves time and time again, yet as an attacking team we're as good as anyone. We're looking at a centre back for a reason, just like we'll probably eventually buy another keeper and a DM, because we all know we need them, but then we knew that in the Summer. That's the point. And that is on Klopp. As is the resulting errors and subsequent dropped points that happen, because of a lack of those quality key players. I'm sure he'll sort it, but right now it's an issue that should have been resolved sooner and if it hinders us, then he'll rightly be criticised for it. Just like he should rightly take any of the plaudits for our fantastic attack.
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Based on the thread title it was directed at Klopp so I asked if all was down to one person here.
Bollocks.
Quite. Last week it was Henderson's fault, this week when he didn't play, it's not down to the midfield, it's our injured defenders.
Come on lads, I've been impressed with Klavan like everyone but Matip is a much better defender.
Clyne isn't even a discussion point, he's straight back in when he's fit.
Clyne isn't even a discussion point, he's straight back in when he's fit.
He's been injured forever and there's no guarantee he will come back the same player, or that he will get up to speed quickly. TAA and Gomez have both done brilliantly, give or take the occasional error, which you get from every young player.
There is a person who identifies players, buys players, coaches players, picks players for the match day squad and makes decisions during the match.
If Klopp is primarily responsible for all of those things, then yeah, it is mostly down to one person.
The give or take occasional error cost us a win at Arsenal.
So did Mignolet's gaff. Occasional errors from younger players is normal. It's the established players who repeatedly let you down that you need to worry about.
Clyne has basically been Mr consistency when he's played. Gomez is not better than him atm. Matip, well see if he's on the bench when he gets back.
When we hired Klopp it was because the previous project was gone beyond savable. Hence we must assume our squad was not good enough, being Liverpool our not good enough players were on lucrative contracts and we were planing for rebuilding the stadium.
I believe Klopp during his tenure har around 50% winrate. In a little over 100 games for us. If it os correct that we have lost 43 points from winning, combining this with his 50 wins, it means he has taken a team so shit that they got the previous manager sacked into a team putting themselves in winning positions 93 times in just over 100 games. We all know we haven't won all those games, but the most difficult part of football is actually creating goals. Hence that is quite impressive of Klopp (And his team). Of course things are not perfect.... otherwise we would probably not had to sack Rodgers in the first place. But it is far from the pathetic doom and gloom we see every time we loose points.
If Clyne committed suicide it’d probably be a month before his Mum noticed. Matip is even more insignificant, who cares?
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