Kelleher
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You're assuming he'll 100% want to stay with us for 5 years - as he will likely still be world class for that time period.
a) will he want to stay if we don't compete next year ...?
b) will he maybe want to try playing for a Barca? or a Madrid?
c) if we have an opportunity to create a better team by replacing a vital cog, the right analysis should be done to ensure the best option is taken.
Bild have linked us with Ron-Robert Zieler (Hannover) overnight. He's 34 and a former German international. Would make sense to bring in someone like that as a replacement / supplement for Adrian who would also not be in the way of a younger keeper coming up through the ranks because if we do let Kelleher go then we need to have someone who can step in for Alisson if he's out injured, not just to cover cup games. All rumours of course, but looks like we may be seeing a sale of Kelleher as a way to raise some cash (or maybe we have agreed to let him go out on loan next season). Hope it's the latter. Really like the kid and think he has the potential to be a top-drawer keeper but he needs / deserves regular playing time. He's too good to be playing second fiddle.
a) We dont know that
b) Who knows
c) If he wants to leave then yes. But you dont create a better team by selling one of the best goalkeepers in the World. That isnt the best option if he has no plans to leave the club. Breaking up that spine to sign a younger inferior goalkeeper at the stage of rebuild we are in will only set us back further. For what? Adding 40-50 mill to the transfer warchest? Big N O. Alisson has a contract until 2027. Focus on other areas of the team.
Its insane how people are allergic to players over 30. Fucking hell. With the development of sports science these last few years its next to no issue if someone is 30 years old. Least of all for goalkeepers who might be in their best years at that age. (Ederson, Oblak, Courtois).
Van der Sar won the league with Utd when he was 40.
b) Who knows
c) If he wants to leave then yes. But you dont create a better team by selling one of the best goalkeepers in the World. That isnt the best option if he has no plans to leave the club. Breaking up that spine to sign a younger inferior goalkeeper at the stage of rebuild we are in will only set us back further. For what? Adding 40-50 mill to the transfer warchest? Big N O. Alisson has a contract until 2027. Focus on other areas of the team.
Its insane how people are allergic to players over 30. Fucking hell. With the development of sports science these last few years its next to no issue if someone is 30 years old. Least of all for goalkeepers who might be in their best years at that age. (Ederson, Oblak, Courtois).
Van der Sar won the league with Utd when he was 40.
I don't think anyone has suggested selling Alisson.
I'd say the caution is coming from experience of players wanting a new challenge or get a big deal with Barca, Real or PSG. Either for money, change in scenery or whatever.
That's the concern about letting Irish Kevin go. We let him leave and next summer Alisson decides he's off. Then we are properly fucked having just let a potential world class keeper leave.
I'd say the caution is coming from experience of players wanting a new challenge or get a big deal with Barca, Real or PSG. Either for money, change in scenery or whatever.
That's the concern about letting Irish Kevin go. We let him leave and next summer Alisson decides he's off. Then we are properly fucked having just let a potential world class keeper leave.
Who's allergic?
If the player wants to stay for 5 years, obviously keep him.
If the player doesn't want, that's the issue I'm raising and hence not willing to play the "oh we're Liverpool, and no great players will leave us!"
Now - I'd rather we keep Alli for 5 years - but this sentence => "You dont create a better team by selling one of the best goalkeepers in the World" is kinda nonsense no? If we sold him and it allowed us to buy two top draw midfielders - would our team be better with that and Kelleher? I don't know ... I know it's worked & failed in the past but it's fine to ask the question ...
Ideally he goes on loan to a prem side. We'd be idiots to sell. Alisson could quickly decline, as great as he's been, or he could decide he wants a new challenge. Give Kelleher a year or two elsewhere, get a proper feel for where he's at and by then I reckon we'd probably have a decision on our hands about Ali anyway.
But how many goalkeepers who did that can you name? Or even keepers who got 2 big moves (with the 2nd one being in their 30s)? I genuinely can't think of any
His fitness level / availability has been phenomenal this season but it does worry me in the future. Can it get better with age? Maybe, but who knows.
Remember all the games we had to watch Adrian play when Alison was out injured? Nervous, especially as we're going to lose an able deputy this summer (and probably bring in another shite second choice).
Yes, its fine to ask it. But its not the best option, clearly..
I would not sell..
But should we do so i would insert a buyback clause
Same reason we sold one of the best strikers in the world, same reason we sold one of the best creative midfielders in the world, same reason we sold one of the best young prospects in the world.....we had offers which were too good to turn down, look at it from FSG's perspective....it's a business to them after all, the guys that run LFC aren't Liverpool fans....they don't have the same mindset as we do.
Not to get confused with me being in favour of selling Alisson, but to help answer a question you find unfathomable.
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The answer is, we send Irish Kevin out on loan to a decent team that will play him, we keep Alisson as our number 1, we replace Adrian with another veteran keeper that’s happy to sit on the bench collecting a decent wage and potentially not play ever and we let Harvey Davies play in the League Cup.
I feel like the £20-30m becomes more crucial if, as @Beamrider says, we lose CL revenue next season and the owners aren’t going to cover any increase in the expenditure balance by investment or a finance arrangement of some sort.
I feel like the £20-30m becomes more crucial if, as @Beamrider says, we lose CL revenue next season and the owners aren’t going to cover any increase in the expenditure balance by investment or a finance arrangement of some sort.
If we are going to send Kelleher out on loan we need to consider expending his contract given that he'll have only 2 years left after that loan deal ends.
I think his value and possible transfer fee will be highest for us this summer in all honesty given the circumstances.
I think his value and possible transfer fee will be highest for us this summer in all honesty given the circumstances.
He's under contract until 2026 and we do tend to extend contracts before loans to protect the sale value.
Yeah, thats what i meant. If its a loan his contract must be extended. I dont think he is interested in a loan mind you. A sale is the best option. With a buy back clause.
Pretty sure a few of those were already pushing for exits.
The difference with a keeper is that they can play until later in their careers more easily. Less physical demand etc etc etc
Players will have talks with their agents all the time about potential moves. But when a player is pushing for it and refuses to play or burns bridges in the media, the club will often have to sell. Rather than choosing to offload.
£120 million for Ali? I’d sanction that in a heartbeat, but we all know that ain’t gonna happen.
£120 million for Ali? I’d sanction that in a heartbeat, but we all know that ain’t gonna happen.
The club always have the choice....Palace chose to keep Zaha, Spurs chose to keep Kane, PSG chose to keep Mbappe, if the money is right...the player will go. It's that simple.
That was kinda my point, it contradicts the saying "who'd be stupid enough to sell your best player, best keeper in the world etc"
Obviously people who value obscene money....so of course you'd sanction it lol.
Why did Madrid sell Ronaldo to Juve? He was still winning ballon D'ors at the time so why sell? 80m for a 33 year old that's why....what do you do with that 80m? You sign players like Valverde and Vini.
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Except me. I’m priceless.
You're a master debater
yeh but it’s doesn’t contradict anything in the real world as nobody is going to offer that. It’s a non debate as the figure of £120 is a nonstarter.
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