It says quite a lot about Karius that I'm not at all sure which one I would like to see in goal for the rest of the season, and actually might prefer Mignolet.
I can't recall Karius making a save of any note ever.
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It says quite a lot about Karius that I'm not at all sure which one I would like to see in goal for the rest of the season, and actually might prefer Mignolet.
I can't recall Karius making a save of any note ever.
You'd think the goalkeeping coach would know who is the better keeper is by now. If it was Karius, you'd think he'd have been playing much earlier.
I kind of just think Klopp has decided Mignolet is going to be moved on, and he thinks, "hell, might as well give this other clown a go before I sack him off too" (hopefully).
I think it's psychological. Klopp can berate Karius in his native tongue, which probably helps to subdue is apoplectic rage. With Mignolet, he has no outlet and English doesn't do his true feelings justice so it builds up, inside him, and makes him unstable over the following week. If you keep repeating that over many weeks, your brain will condition itself into preferring Karius.
Half that turn would be massive upgrade. But I guess if he is to have any upgrade he needs this chance. If he take it, fine. If not he will be sold back to Germany come summer. Also if he goes on a nightmare spell as last time it will be interesting to see how we deal with that. Ming har normally hit well back when being dropped, but if he is leaving in the summer maybe Ward is a better call.
It's not often you see psychology, neurology and linguistics used together to explain a footballing decision.
More, I say!
I'm inclined to agree. Whilst Ming has made huge errors in big games, I don't tend to think every shot against us is going to go in, unlike with Karius.
I actually don't see many redeeming qualities in Karius. It's not like he's superb with his feet, great with commanding his box or super fast off his line. I'm not sure what he's actually better at than Ming?
Ming is the better shot stopper.
Yeah, I agree. I think Karius has the bigger potential though. Wheter or not he'll develop enough to make a career for himself at Liverpool is the big question. So far it looks nothing like that, and we need a new goalkeeper.
Ming just isnt good enough to be that ball playing goalkeeper that just about every top team have these days. But Karius could be.
I'm guessing Klopp have given Karius to the end of the season to prove himself. If he cant perform then he's finished.
Interesting that some German journalists said he doesnt play like he did for Mainz in terms of confidence and belief.
Maybe a run in the team will see him develop.
I have some serious reservations about this working out, so I think we need a new GK this summer. Or, we NEED a new GK.
Hmmm some good saves there but that video confirms my thoughts that when Karius is involved he drops the ball often and leave the ball loose inside our box. Often just around the goal line. He need to work on grab the ball and hold on to it.
Good we have more potential clubs to sell him too.
Yep, that's what I'm seeing too. Parrying it back into the danger area.
He does seem pretty quick in and around his box, to give him some credit. His footwork to get into position for a save looks better than Ming, but I his hand positioning (low) is a big concern. I see many more shots beating him at his near post if he doesn't sort that out.
From my limited GK coaching experience (FA B GK License; l say limited because the English FA aren't exactly leading the way in the production of great GKs right now, see Joe Hart), his hands shouldn't be that low when he's in a "set position" to make a save. Means when he's parrying anything mid-to-high height, he needs an extra second to bring his hands up. That's exactly why the Sane shot beat him yesterday.
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I feel Karius is a better GK than he has showed for us.
But at LFC we have vast expectations and being able to perform under the high scrutiny & pressure is what matters.
No point in having the talent if you freeze or have low confidence & are mentally fragile to perform. That's just as important as the talent.
Downing was supposedly unplayable in training at times. Always raved how talented he was and how well he looked. But if you can't produce on the match days, it's pointless. Dalglish was the opposite. Was meant to be one of the worst trainers around, but come match day he was a different player and shone.
Karius was a very good shot stopper in Germany, looking at the stats. But he's not been here, he's been average & at times below that with some poor mistakes.
But it's just one part of a GKs game & at LFC his kicking has been a problem, as has his ability at dealing with crosses.
I don't think he has the personality & character to cope.
To thrive at LFC character is essential. If Carragher, Gerrard, Suarez or Kuyt made errors within a game, they'd still have the courage & confidence to forget it & deal with it going forwards. Suarez might give away the ball 4 times in a row, but he'd still have the confidence to not let it affect him the next time he got the ball to try to win us the match. Same for Gerrard. Kuyt made the most of his talent & had such a good career for us due to his character & fight a mentally tough footballer, as was Carragher - who made plenty of defensive errors, but he could put those mistakes behind him to be a great defender for us.
I question Karius' character as although I question his ability to deal with crossing. He's a better shot stopper and with his feet than he has showed for us. But a lack of confidence can make all part of your game suffer. Regardless of talent, he's not producing.
I have no problem with Klopp giving him until the end of the season to have regular action and see if he can regain confidence and show his best. As we have seen enough of Mignolet to know he's not the long term answer.
But unless we see a radical change from Karius, I think a new GK will be the top priority in the summer and I think Klopp is already eyeing that up now.
What might be interesting is if Karius continues to disappoint, show Ward get a chance to show what he can do - as he might have a brighter future here than both Mignolet & Kariius, even if it is only as backup to a new future number 1.
But at LFC we have vast expectations and being able to perform under the high scrutiny & pressure is what matters.
No point in having the talent if you freeze or have low confidence & are mentally fragile to perform. That's just as important as the talent.
Downing was supposedly unplayable in training at times. Always raved how talented he was and how well he looked. But if you can't produce on the match days, it's pointless. Dalglish was the opposite. Was meant to be one of the worst trainers around, but come match day he was a different player and shone.
Karius was a very good shot stopper in Germany, looking at the stats. But he's not been here, he's been average & at times below that with some poor mistakes.
But it's just one part of a GKs game & at LFC his kicking has been a problem, as has his ability at dealing with crosses.
I don't think he has the personality & character to cope.
To thrive at LFC character is essential. If Carragher, Gerrard, Suarez or Kuyt made errors within a game, they'd still have the courage & confidence to forget it & deal with it going forwards. Suarez might give away the ball 4 times in a row, but he'd still have the confidence to not let it affect him the next time he got the ball to try to win us the match. Same for Gerrard. Kuyt made the most of his talent & had such a good career for us due to his character & fight a mentally tough footballer, as was Carragher - who made plenty of defensive errors, but he could put those mistakes behind him to be a great defender for us.
I question Karius' character as although I question his ability to deal with crossing. He's a better shot stopper and with his feet than he has showed for us. But a lack of confidence can make all part of your game suffer. Regardless of talent, he's not producing.
I have no problem with Klopp giving him until the end of the season to have regular action and see if he can regain confidence and show his best. As we have seen enough of Mignolet to know he's not the long term answer.
But unless we see a radical change from Karius, I think a new GK will be the top priority in the summer and I think Klopp is already eyeing that up now.
What might be interesting is if Karius continues to disappoint, show Ward get a chance to show what he can do - as he might have a brighter future here than both Mignolet & Kariius, even if it is only as backup to a new future number 1.
I actually think that Klopp fully intended to buy a keeper in this window, but the one he wants (Allisson?) is waiting until the summer before moving. So instead he's decided to give Karius a run in the team as a final chance to prove himself. Ming has obviously shown no sign of improving to the extent required.
I wonder if Danny Ward also isn't playing because he needs more coaching in terms of playing as a keeper with a high line? But I never saw Huddersfield play with him in goal so that's not really based on anything.
I wonder if Danny Ward also isn't playing because he needs more coaching in terms of playing as a keeper with a high line? But I never saw Huddersfield play with him in goal so that's not really based on anything.
Was thinking the same, a "perform until the end of the season or fuck off" statement to Karius and just "fuck off" to Ming.
He might be doing a very tongue in cheek thing there, because he knows our fans have been screaming for him
Exactly right. The far corner is a much more difficult shot to execute with power and accuracy at pace.
Interesting. Thanks for the info. I have a good feeling about Ward but its not been shown to be true yet
I'm afraid Karius knows he is not rated which is why his confidence is wrecked. I can't think of any other reason. The Sane goal was a travesty.
He needs to learn the art of soldiering on despite all the fans in the universe and your teammates knowing you are shit.
Thankfully he has a mentor in Mignolet for that.
He needs to learn the art of soldiering on despite all the fans in the universe and your teammates knowing you are shit.
Thankfully he has a mentor in Mignolet for that.
I'm afraid Karius knows he is not rated which is why his confidence is wrecked. I can't think of any other reason. The Sane goal was a travesty.
He needs to learn the art of soldiering on despite all the fans in the universe and your teammates knowing you are shit.
Thankfully he has a mentor in Mignolet for that.
He needs to learn the art of soldiering on despite all the fans in the universe and your teammates knowing you are shit.
Thankfully he has a mentor in Mignolet for that.
I'm likely in the minority but I really don't think Karius is that bad.
He's decent with the ball at his feet - certainly better than Mignolet, his distribution is good, and he's been solid under the high ball. His footwork is ok too, but I think where he's got caught out is through hesitation. He looks unsure too often. Caught between coming for something or not, not dominating at corners, a little too meek and a little awestruck by the company he's in.
I'm interested to see how he copes under 10-15 games really. I think it'll help him, but whether he can truly step up or not remains to be seen.
I'm glad he's getting a chance though. I know Mignolet isn't good enough - I've had years of evidence on that front.
He's decent with the ball at his feet - certainly better than Mignolet, his distribution is good, and he's been solid under the high ball. His footwork is ok too, but I think where he's got caught out is through hesitation. He looks unsure too often. Caught between coming for something or not, not dominating at corners, a little too meek and a little awestruck by the company he's in.
I'm interested to see how he copes under 10-15 games really. I think it'll help him, but whether he can truly step up or not remains to be seen.
I'm glad he's getting a chance though. I know Mignolet isn't good enough - I've had years of evidence on that front.
He’s shit mate. I mean right up there with the biggest shithouses ever to stand between our sticks. Really.
Me neither, and when you read what sort of comments he gets on social media after sharing his thoughts on the win against City. Well, you get embarrassed really.
Maybe he wont be good enough and we'll probably buy a top quality goalkeeper this summer.
Not much else to say in all honesty.
Maybe he wont be good enough and we'll probably buy a top quality goalkeeper this summer.
Not much else to say in all honesty.
I don't mind him as well. I think he has got to be given some games to show what he can do. I don't think we will get a keeper in Jan, so it will be him till end of the season.
One of Ming and Karius must be sold by the start of next season though, with a class goal keeper coming in.
I think the goal keeper situation is getting to Klopp. He should just decide now on his number 1 for the rest of the season, and see it through. This rotating of keeper business is bull and it will always be a talking point regardless of what he do. Every single goal keeping error or non-error will be scrutinized. It's getting silly.
One of Ming and Karius must be sold by the start of next season though, with a class goal keeper coming in.
I think the goal keeper situation is getting to Klopp. He should just decide now on his number 1 for the rest of the season, and see it through. This rotating of keeper business is bull and it will always be a talking point regardless of what he do. Every single goal keeping error or non-error will be scrutinized. It's getting silly.
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