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Juan Manuel Mata

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[quote author=studsup link=topic=45743.msg1350423#msg1350423 date=1308234997]
[quote author=Cerberus link=topic=45743.msg1350359#msg1350359 date=1308229644]
Everytime a member of SCM makes a Juan Mata pun a kitten dies.
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Pah. That explains the feline corpses all over the place. Was just juandering what was going on.

edit: Pah! There goes another! Mew....meh.
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I liked that 'juandering' pun.

It has to stop though.
 
Sid Lowe's column today

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/06/16/juan.mata/

Once the tipping point is reached departures become inevitable and the slide becomes harder to arrest than ever; what starts as an emergency solution risks becoming a permanent situation, the enshrinement of inequality and the inability to compete. Handled well, the effects can be palliated but, barring a sudden shift, the trend is unavoidable. Spanish soccer has reached that tipping point. Valencia certainly have.

David Silva and David Villa had to leave Valencia. The consequences of them staying were unthinkable. Lumbered with two stadiums -- one they could not sell and one they could not afford to finishing building, standing as an empty monument to the collapse in Spain's economy and the construction industry in particular, as well as the wastefulness of the former owner -- the club faced the possibility of disappearing altogether.

Manolo Llorente, the president, had rescued Valencia with the assistance of the local government but still needed to service the debt left by predecessor Juan Soler. Silva and Villa were the key, bringing in almost €80 million ($112M) with their moves to Manchester City and Barcelona respectively.

But if the consequences of them staying were unthinkable, the consequences of them going are concerning too. The initial, crippling debt remains and will do so until Valencia can find a buyer for Mestalla and, allied to the direction that Spanish soccer has taken, that serves to eclipse the country's "other" clubs -- of which Valencia is the strongest, finishing third for the last two years. The realization of that very fact only hastens it. When Silva and Villa left, they made the departure of other players all the more probable.

The tipping point had been reached. When Silva and Villa left, Valencia rebuilt remarkably well. With a sensible plan, and led by determined, skillful negotiators, they constructed a competitive side and still had a profit in excess of €45 million ($63M). But it was not competitive enough. Valencia won the league in 2002 and 2004. This season it finished 21 points behind second placed Real Madrid. And that was an improvement on last season.

Valencia is one problem, and the debt remains a hungry one. The players, conditioned by that situation, are another. All players want to win things; good players think they have to. When you can't compete, you leave. And when you depart, the team you leave behind can compete even less. It is a vicious circle. The hierarchy of clubs gets ever more defined. So far this summer, Valencia has been among the most active clubs in the transfer window.

Dani Parejo and Diego Alves have signed already. But that is a prelude to movement in the other direction.

The man nearest the exit door is Juan Mata -- both because he wants to compete and because Valencia know that he is the player most likely to raise a sizable transfer fee.
He would make a superb signing for any number of clubs joining the queue.

Mata stepped out of the shadow of Villa and Silva to become the central figure for Valencia this season. Now, someone else will have to do the same.

Last summer Barcelona were among Mata's potential destinations; this summer, England is. Liverpool is a genuine possibility. Last summer resistance was possible with Silva and Villa to sell; this year it is futile. The good news for Valencia comes in the shape of a check for around €25 million ($35M), another lifeline provided by selling off the family silver.

The price may be a little steep but Mata is worth it. The son of a soccer player, he joined Real Oviedo at 12 and Real Madrid at 15. He won the European U-19 Championships with Spain in 2006 and was second top scorer, named Player of the Tournament. The Real Madrid Castilla side he joined in Spain's Second Division included Jordi Codina, Miguel Torres, Sergio Sánchez, Javi García, Estéban Granero, Rubén de la Red (who has been forced to retire with heart trouble), Adrián, and Álvaro Negredo. All of them are First Division players, but only one of those is still at Madrid -- and Esteban Granero returned to the club after a spell at Getafe. Opportunities were limited. So Mata, too, moved on -- forcing an exit to join Valencia at 19.

And that is where he met Ronald Koeman. Koeman is not exactly popular in the East coast: when Valencia sacked coach Quique Sanchez-Flores in week nine of the 2007-08 season, it was in fourth place, just four points off the top of the table; when it finally sacked Koeman, his replacement, they were 35 points off the top and just two points clear of the relegation zone. It had secured its worst away result in 25 years, its captain had taken the club to court, and players were queuing to leave.

But Koeman was largely obliged to act as he did by Soler. And, besides, he did one good thing: he gave Mata a chance, putting him into the side on the left of a front three, cutting in from the wing and combining with David Villa.

Few had heard of him at the start of the season; by the end, he had scored twice against Barcelona on the way to winning the Copa del Rey and was a virtual ever-present after Koeman took charge, playing 24 league games and scoring five goals.

The following year, with Koeman gone but the case convincingly made, Mata scored 11 times. The year after that, five. Then, last year, nine. A World Cup win followed, as did the match ball -- "stolen" and spirited away under his shirt. That was not the only thing spirited away: so were Silva and Villa. Valencia had to sell and it had to compete. Together, they are almost the paradigm of the player that leaves La Liga's lesser lights, big teams that can't quite be big enough: either you join Madrid or Barcelona or you leave Spain altogether.

It could have derailed Mata. The men he combined with best had gone; men he got on well with off the pitch as well as on it. Instead, at 22, he took responsibility. Intelligent and instantly likable, he has studied at university and is making strides with his English. Mata has been a remarkably consistent performer in at team that has often been erratic.

Fast, skillful, and creative -- dangerous heading up the left wing or inside from the right, dashing from deeper beyond the front two -- he has an impeccable touch and swift, precise passing. As he has shown at the European U-21 championships, he can also take a more central, playmaker's role.

He scored 10 times and provided 12 assists. Only four players provided more. And those are the ones that were taken: he provided 73 assists in total last season.

At the end of the season, the soccer statisticians at Opta put together a team of the season. Mata was one of only two outfield players included to play for one of Spain's "other" clubs - the other was Santi Cazorla. The pity is that when that happens, they tend not to be playing for one of those other clubs for very much longer.

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(Two players we're linked with coming up tops in terms of statistics, again. Coincidence or what?)
 
I really really really really want Mata. *Wonders was that enough reallys*
Oh and the Santi Cazorla fan's will like his little mention there.
 
At the end of the season, the soccer statisticians at Opta put together a team of the season. Mata was one of only two outfield players included to play for one of Spain's "other" clubs - the other was Santi Cazorla.

Talk about missing the point... I shouldn't have searched for the team. :-[
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=45743.msg1350520#msg1350520 date=1308246414]
Your face is over rated.
[/quote]Great use of 'your face' five!
*puts hand up*
 
I regularly watch Mata and he is good, very good even, reading about the financial mess we are in i doubt we will buy him tbh but in honesty i'd prefer we bought Cazorla who is the better player.
 
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=45743.msg1350520#msg1350520 date=1308246414]
Your face is over rated.
[/quote]Great use of 'your face' five!
*puts hand up*
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*Feels bad for leaving Oncy hanging so long*

*Give Oncy an umerciful high five*
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1350528#msg1350528 date=1308247053]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=45743.msg1350520#msg1350520 date=1308246414]
Your face is over rated.
[/quote]Great use of 'your face' five!
*puts hand up*
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*Feels bad for leaving Oncy hanging so long*

*Give Oncy an umerciful high five*

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*Pause...*
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=45743.msg1350657#msg1350657 date=1308264732]
I regularly watch Mata and he is good, very good even, reading about the financial mess we are in i doubt we will buy him tbh but in honesty i'd prefer we bought Cazorla who is the better player.
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I haven't seen much of either, but I always thought Mata was more highly rated?

I guess one factor would be that Cazorla's going to be 27 this year whereas Mata is just 23. I think Mata's end product at this age are pretty amazing. Very few players are that productive so early on in their career. If that's anything to go by, he could end being a pretty special player. Though I really have seen very little of him, and have expressed my reservation on going after a 'finesse' player, as opposed to a pacy flying winger, I'd have him here in a heartbeat, especially given the kind of players we've been linked with.
 
I've wanted Mata here for years. I'm so happy with this link, and I'll be so disappointed when it doesn't happen.
 
mata or cazorla would be great signings, mata being the younger i would say he is first choice. I would be delighted with either though, both would link up really well with suarez i imagine
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1350721#msg1350721 date=1308294991]
does mata play on the left or right?
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Does it Mata?

;D Lefty.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1350721#msg1350721 date=1308294991]
does mata play on the left or right?
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Does it Mata?

;D Lefty.
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so it's downing or mata? I know which juan I want out of the two.
 
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That would be a bell diagram right there
 
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45743.msg1350840#msg1350840 date=1308304419]
That would be a bell diagram right there
[/quote]As in if we sign Downing, Damien CoMOLEy would be a massive fucking bell.
 
We have arranged to play Valencia on August 6th at Anfield in a pre season friendly.
Part of the deal for Mata? 8)
 
Well, I think they played City as part of the Silva deal last year so...

RAWK are in overdrive with conspiracy theories..
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=45743.msg1351558#msg1351558 date=1308423592]
Well, I think they played City as part of the Silva deal last year so...

RAWK are in overdrive with conspiracy theories..
[/quote]Yea, read that about the Man City friendly as part of the Silva deal Hans.

I wonder will this news have any effect on the Ryanometre percentage?

the last 3 big transfers from Spain we arranged friendlies with their clubs (2 being at anfield)

Villarreal - Signing of Reina
Espanyol - Signing of Riera
Atletico - Signing of Torres
 
Lets hope so mate. I'll throw in this tidbit aswell, when we signed Torres and Riera we also played friendlies against Espanyol and Atletico.. 🙂
 
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