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In that case let's not. I'm pissed off over the fact that Fabinho didn't start.
But yeah, I guess I'm somewhat angry that we're not unbeaten any more but it's stupid.
On the head.
Fuck me. You're not pissed off over the loss, you're pissed off that your new favourite player didn't start and your pet hate did. Says it all about you. It's not like we haven't said before that you care more about personal triumphs over how well the team actually does. I swear you'd rather spend a match moaning about Lallana than enjoying us trounce someone.
Yeah, it's stupid being angry over a loss when we're top and 4 points clear is what I'm saying.
We had same amount of passes (+/- 10) except for more passes in their half than they had in our. We had same amount of shots, hit the post one time each. Kompany was a poor ref decision from sending off. We had two chances cleared of the line while one of them with less than an inch before it crossed. One of those clearances was just between the legs of Salah who would have scored there if the ball went any other direction than just where it went. And all this away against City, the big big League favorites. The CL favourites as well…. Add to that that one of the "workhorses" had more assists in the CL last season than any player have had before him.
Sure it doesn't work.
We could of course done it differently and it would have worked. I for one thought that since they had all to loose and we had all to win maybe a more creative midfiled would have been Worth a gamble even if it cost protection. Maybe sacrifying Milner for Shaq would push them more, even if it ment less protection for Trent/Lovren. I don't know. I suspect they could have torn us up easier. Maybe the midfield we chose neutrilized them to a degree that we could easier snatch a winner without giving them to many chances to hurt us. It is tough Calls, and we get them right more often than wrong.
Nah mate I could easily say remove the games milner doesn't start and we're unbeaten. I get it you don't like hendo(i'm not his biggest fan), but i hardly think him starting or not starting has made a significant difference to us winning games. Like Mark said its all about the right combinations. Either way i'm sure once Klopp fully trusts fabinho in midfield we'll see hendo on the bench a lot more.
I admit that it's not statistically proven, the sample size is too small and it doesnt definitively point Henderson, but I guess no midfield combo should include Henderson then.
You are just like Donald Trump. You got no fucking clue but you keep on mumbling....
Says you of all people, hahaha. The last thing Trump does is mumbling...
Perspective. But now that you've made me say it, I realise it's probably too much to ask.
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I'm not particularly blaming klopp, not for anything aside of playing henderson ,I'm just saying henderson offers fuck all against good sides , like fuck all . Yeah he's fine against an arsenal or whoever where he can press and run around but decent sides just play around him or through him , that coupled with how deep he plays and his inability to be progressive with the ball at his feet just turns him into a total passenger . Couldn't give a flying fuck how good he was under Rodgers' title run , he's bang average now and when I look at reasons at why we don't win , he never a headline grabber , he's too competent for that but he's always there..offering fuck all in those games.
..As he did last night ..
@mark1975 forget about it being city , that could be any top side, he's just not good enough and I think we need better if we want to be champions / Gini/fab and shaq/keita to play ahead of him
..As he did last night ..
@mark1975 forget about it being city , that could be any top side, he's just not good enough and I think we need better if we want to be champions / Gini/fab and shaq/keita to play ahead of him
I think Henderson's biggest problem in these games is that he seems to get quite easily hurried on the ball, and when the pressure is on like last night he'll pass it backwards or sideways, instead of finding players in attacking positions. Making it nearly impossible for us to get out of our own half, and eventually the mong in the middle (Lovren) ended up with his chipped pass thingy and we lost possession.
When Fabinho came on he did the opposite. Escaped pressure, created space and pinged the passes out wide towards players in an attacking position.
He's been very good at that in almost every game he's played.
When Fabinho came on he did the opposite. Escaped pressure, created space and pinged the passes out wide towards players in an attacking position.
He's been very good at that in almost every game he's played.
Agreed . He's a good bench warmer
I said myself earlier that in those games we will need Fabinho, because he's a specialist, actual defensive midfielder. We do play alot without a DM and more with a ball-carrier in most games, we did it with Gerrard and then Lucas too, it's worked. You can call him average/offers fuck all, whatever, but it doesn't reflect so much in the results. The results are there for all to see. Henderson will struggle against your Modric's, Silva's etc, without the help of another more defense minded player. It's a no brainer. Gerrard and Alonso started against Milan and they were better players than Henderson and they struggled against the Milan midfield, the same too in a game against Arsenal, because both games required a definitive anchorman who would put his foot in and protect the defense. It's not required at this level in every game, as our goals against record also shows, so reflecting on one game as symptomatic of a downfall is a bit shortsighted, given our form elsewhere has been magnificent, including games where Henderson has played.
Let's look at this objectively too, because like with anything, there are reasons for starting certain players in some games and not so much in others:
Gini - brilliant at shielding possession, great on the half-turn, strong as an ox. The downside is he can be inconsistent and can drift out of games, offers zero direct threat, no long ball game.
Hendo - supports the defense from a possession perspective, allows both centre backs to pull wide, then gives an outlet to the fullbacks. Covers ground, keeps possession ticking over. Lacks energy of old, reacts slow to certain situations, doesn't have the attacking impetus he once did and is too reluctant to play the risky pass.
Fabinho - still getting to grips with the league but reads the game exceptionally well, great passing range, can support the attack too, gives us another dimension aerially. Struggles with the pace occasionally, gives possession away cheaply in dangerous areas, but is learning and is the only actual DM we have.
Milner - great energy, enthusiasm, drive and setpipece deliveries. Is ageing now though so can't play every game, prefers playing centrally but is arguably better in wider/advanced areas.
Shaqiri - one of the few genuine players we have that can link midfield and attack, great setpiece delivery, ability to pick a through ball and goal threat. The downside is he's renowned for being inconsistent and occasionally a liability. There used to be this notion that there was no in between with him, he was either brilliant or awful. I don't see so much of that in him these days, he always offers something and should be considered consistently for the attacking role of the midfield three.
Keita - hard to read really, as we're all expressing what we hope for from him, based on his form in Germany and for his country. Has shown flashes of brilliance and a real naivety on the pitch at times too, giving away possession cheaply and generally looking a bit of a luxury. I think it'll be next season before we see him at his best, but for me he's behind the wonderful Shaqiri.
AOC - was a real breath of fresh air last season, I had my doubts about his preference to play centrally, but he gave a real drive and attacking impetus from the middle of the park, that we've missed quite a bit since. Hopefully he comes back the same player. The downside is just that, he's injury prone which has hampered his personal progress.
So we have plenty of midfielders who offer a variety of options, I think they all have their merits and their negative points too, which is why you have a squad - horses for courses as it were. I think in the longterm we'll see much more of Fabinho and we will see more of a shift towards a permanent attacking focus spearheading the midfield, it's up to Keita, Shaqiri and AOC to make that spot their own, or for all three to give us an enviable number of options so that we never look as flat as we did last night.
I hear you, but you said we were looking to move him along, and were clearly not (as evidenced by giving him a contract equal or in excess of what we'd get for him as a transfer fee).
Showing for the ball means fuck all if you cough it back to the opposition straight away. And Salah didn't hide. I think we were watching different games mate.
I doubt it. A bit of luck and it would have worked out.
We didn’t get slaughtered or anything
I don’t that. We didn’t need the added pressure of going upbeaten to mount. Would have been better to lose after the city game but hey ho. Now we can concentrate on stringing another 9 wins together
I doubt that. He's from Guinea. They have a festival celebrating the fact that's where Ebola first broke out.
I think in the three of Hendo, Gini & Millie, Hendo has the least effective role. They all seem to get confused with who is sitting deeper, who is making runs etc. In other combinations I think roles become more obvious and that is why all of them look better in any midfield combo that isn't this three.
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