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Joe Allen, LFC midfielders and midfield combinations and now the Jordan Henderson thread

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JOE Allen has agreed terms on a bumper contract with Liverpool as the midfielder edges closer to the Swansea City exit door.

The Evening Post can reveal the Allen camp were given permission to speak to Liverpool last month.

And we understand the 22-year-old has settled on an Anfield deal which, a source explained, will “set him up for life”.

However, though Swansea allowed Allen’s representatives to talk terms with Liverpool, they are still haggling over the size of the transfer fee.

Liverpool have tabled an offer of £12.5 million plus a player on loan — thought to be Jonjo Shelvey — which, the Post understands, Swansea have not responded to officially.

Swansea are digging their heels in over the deal, and are thought likely to demand £15 million before allowing the Welsh international to join former boss Brendan Rodgers on Merseyside.

That is the sum which would trigger a release clause in Allen’s Liberty Stadium contract.

The clause states that if Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea or one of the two Manchester clubs offer £15 million for Allen, Swansea must sell.

Swansea, though, may yet say no to Liverpool even if they do up their bid because of a clause in the compensation package agreed when Rodgers left for the Reds earlier this summer.

Swansea suggested last week that Liverpool had broken an agreement between the two clubs by moving for Allen.

The Post understands Rodgers was disappointed by that statement and believes he has done nothing wrong by registering an interest in the Pembrokeshire-born star.

Swansea’s former manager is a huge Allen fan and, for all the wrangling, the likelihood is that he will eventually get his man.

The player now appears to have his heart set on Liverpool, and it seems the move will happen once the clubs settle on a fee.

Swansea are understandably playing hardball as they attempt to get every penny possible for a player they have nurtured since he was just nine years old.

But the club’s hierarchy are also aware that it is difficult to hold on to someone whose head has been turned.

The Allen situation is complicated further by a second clause in the four-year Swansea deal he signed last summer.

It states that if any club outside the big five offers £10 million for his services, Swansea must sanction a deal.

And given that Tottenham are thought to be interested, it is not inconceivable that they could lose Allen for a smaller fee than the £12.5 million-plus-player package which is already on the table.

Allen is in action for the Team GB Olympic squad against Uruguay tonight, when a draw will be enough to see Stuart Pearce’s team reach next weekend’s quarter-finals.

It seems unlikely his club future will be sorted out before Team GB’s Olympic campaign comes to an end.

Liverpool were last night close to freeing up funds — plus a place in their squad — for Allen with midfielder Alberto Aquilani close to joining Fiorentina for £7 million.

Michael Laudrup, meantime, has insisted that the Allen situation has not changed.

“There’s no latest — he is with the GB team at the Olympics so I have not had the opportunity to talk to him since I arrived,” the Swansea boss said.

“There’s nothing concrete. I can read the papers talking about the interest — it’s normal there is interest because the new manager of Liverpool is the ex-manager of Joe Allen.

“We all know he is a very good player, but I can assure you there’s nothing concrete at this moment.

“Let’s see what happens — I can’t really tell you anything else right now.”
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If 12.5M is what we paid for Allen then well done. Thats great value for money.

After he has a great season with us, his value will likely double. Now for that official confirmation before we can give Spurs and AVB the fuckoff cheer.
 
Hansern said:
Allen is nothing like Barry
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He appears to be quite similar to Lucas from what i've seen which i'm a little worried about.

Big fan of Lucas, top player imo but we need creativity and goals from the middle of midfield and is Allen really the man to provide that?

He appears to be a deep lying midfielder very much in the Xavi mould but i'd worry he's not threatening enough in the final third.
 
Gary25 said:
He appears to be quite similar to Lucas from what i've seen which i'm a little worried about.

Big fan of Lucas, top player imo but we need creativity and goals from the middle of midfield and is Allen really the man to provide that?

He appears to be a deep lying midfielder very much in the Xavi mould but i'd worry he's not threatening enough in the final third.
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When did Lucas became like Xavi?
 
Said Allen is and Lucas is similar in terms of passing the ball around from deep without necessarily being productive going forward.

Basically, one Lucas type player is probably enough. Just an observation.
 
Gary25 said:
Said Allen is and Lucas is similar in terms of passing the ball around from deep without necessarily being productive going forward.

Basically, one Lucas type player is probably enough. Just an observation.
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So he's not like Xavi?
 
I think gary meant XAbi Alonso NOT xavi. I said same as gary in another thread allen is like a mix of lucas and alonso but that should not worry us. suarez and sg can provide necessary creative element.
 
moron said:
I said same as gary in another thread allen is like a mix of lucas and alonso but that should not worry us.
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Allen is nothing like a mix of those two players, nothing like. If anything he's a more classy and mobile Carrick. Just because he was playing deep for GB last night doesn't mean he's a defensive midfielder.
 
I've probably asked this before but is he really worth prioritizing when we have an already overstocked midfield?

I've seen very little of him so can only wait and see if he's as good as everyone says. I'm quite concerned about our attacking options going into the season though. I really hope there is money leftover to address this.
 
keniget said:
I've probably asked this before but is he really worth prioritizing when we have an already overstocked midfield?

I've seen very little of him so can only wait and see if he's as good as everyone says. I'm quite concerned about our attacking options going into the season though. I really hope there is money leftover to address this.
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I'm concerned about that myself. Obviously the lads been hyped up by reputable posters, but at the moment we're going into a new season with suarez and borini as strikers (as carroll is probably fucking off). This is similar to how we started last season, if not worse as we have lost kuyt and maxi
 
If we don't buy a striker, or a relatively prolific AM we're going to be terribly stretched. If Rodgers thinks Morgan is the answer he's wrong.
 
keniget said:
I've probably asked this before but is he really worth prioritizing when we have an already overstocked midfield?

I've seen very little of him so can only wait and see if he's as good as everyone says. I'm quite concerned about our attacking options going into the season though. I really hope there is money leftover to address this.
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First para: yes, it is, if the midfield we have already isn't up to snuff (and might be thinned out in the transfer window accordingly).

Second para: well, we have already bought Borini, besides which I'm pretty sure the owners have already said they think there's more potential in our existing options than we managed to actually realise last season (and FWIW they're right in my view). One of Brendan Rodgers' specific assignments will have been to get the current players - those he decides to keep anyway - performing to that potential.
 
Judge Jules said:
First para: yes, it is, if the midfield we have already isn't up to snuff (and might be thinned out in the transfer window accordingly).

Second para: well, we have already bought Borini, besides which I'm pretty sure the owners have already said they think there's more potential in our existing options than we managed to actually realise last season (and FWIW they're right in my view). One of Brendan Rodgers' specific assignments will have been to get the current players - those he decides to keep anyway - performing to that potential.
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I'd agree that the owners would want rodgers to get more from our current lot, but i'm unconvinced he will, and our wastefulness will only continue
Suarez: not overly clinical
Borini: Might be, but not enough evidence to know that
Bellamy: Temperamental in his form but can be extremely clinical
Pacheco: not overly clinical
Downing: Nope


We've got no one really who could pick up the slack. We NEED another forward
 
Fabs: that's way previous IMHO. I certainly wouldn't say no to another forward if the right deal comes along, but it doesn't make sense to me to write all those players off that easily, along with Rodgers' ability to get the best out of them, before he's even tried.
 
Insignificance said:
We certainly should let Spearing go on loan before Shelvey?
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Nope. Spearing has probably gone past the point where a loan would improve him. We need to keep him as cover.

Jonjo will be fighting it out for one of 2 midfield berths, fighting Gerrard, Hendo, Adam and potentially Allen. It'd make sense to loan him to an attacking premiership club to continue his development.
 
It's Rafa's fault this. He started 4-6-0 in Athens, it didn't work then but Spain just won the Euros playing it and BR now thinks it's a bleeding edge technique.
 
Fabio said:
Nope. Spearing has probably gone past the point where a loan would improve him. We need to keep him as cover.

Jonjo will be fighting it out for one of 2 midfield berths, fighting Gerrard, Hendo, Adam and potentially Allen. It'd make sense to loan him to an attacking premiership club to continue his development.
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The problem is that Spearing is not a very good cover. But your probabloy right, he will not improve either.
 
I've never seen Allen play. Is he any good? By that I mean does he score or set goals up or shit?
Or am I going to spend most of next season watching him and Lucas pass it to each other 10 yards into our own half? Before one is robbed, the other team score and we then have to bring Henderson on to try and snatch a draw.
A heads up would be appreciated.
 
We have for 3 midfield spots:
Gerrard
Lucas
Spearing
Shelvey
Henderson
Downing
Cole
Adam
(and Aquilani)

We probably need to get rid of a few even If we don't buy Allen.
 
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