is it knee jerk to to sack a manager after 8 league games?

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=crump link=topic=42293.msg1199385#msg1199385 date=1287337759]
I think six goals against is the most damning stat.

But fuck stats, we are just plain shit, a team full of internationals and we can't keep hold of the ball ever.
[/quote]

Yep the second sentence is the most damning of all.

 

[jexykrodic]

I dont think I can ever remember fans being so universally against a manager. Its a very scary time for our club

 

[aquaman4]

[quote author=crump link=topic=42293.msg1199385#msg1199385 date=1287337759]
I think six goals against is the most damning stat.

But fuck stats, we are just plain shit, a team full of internationals and we can't keep hold of the ball ever.
[/quote]
you are better off with an avarage player than an avarage international player as they will be worse when they come back from international breaks and have to play more games .unfortunately we have many below avarage international players in our squad (lucas,poulsen,maxi,jovanovic,....etc)

 

[Hansern]

I wonder how long they'll give him, before they know they have to do something.
My biggest concern is that the current board, who appointed him will want to give him more time.

The board have done an extremely good job regarding the takeover, but the footballing bit has gone to hell.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

I love it how he sorts of divert some blame onto Torres.

If I was Torres, I wouldn't trust my career with someone (Roy) whose own career's on the tightrope, let alone read in the papers about some blert (Roy) telling the whole world that Torres himself's shot of confidence.

 

[Woland]

[quote author=aquaman4 link=topic=42293.msg1199401#msg1199401 date=1287338760]
[quote author=crump link=topic=42293.msg1199385#msg1199385 date=1287337759]
I think six goals against is the most damning stat.

But fuck stats, we are just plain shit, a team full of internationals and we can't keep hold of the ball ever.
[/quote]
you are better off with an avarage player than an avarage international player as they will be worse when they come back from international breaks and have to play more games .unfortunately we have many below avarage international players in our squad (lucas,poulsen,maxi,jovanovic,....etc)
[/quote]

Bollocks - our players are much better than this. Much better than Blackpools and Brums and Evertons. They're just playing shite right now. They're playing on their own, no teeamwork, no work ethic, no movement, no ideas.

It's the coach. He hasn't got a fucking clue.

 

[Woland]

He's going to get us wewegated.

Have you seen the fucking interview? He reckons we were the better team... What a fucking nob.

 

[RolandG]

Roy must have been watching last seasons game!

 

[Insignificance]

I think there was some talk about new owners could get rid for a agreed upon sum. They rather spend that now or risk having to pay him normal break of contract in a few weeks when the new owners factor is gone.

Never have I witnessed such a case of wrong person in wrong place.

 

[keniget]

It's one of those things that has say you saying "this happens to other people... not me!".

 

[Fox]

yes, we are not newcastle


Kenny is not the answer either

 

[Judge Jules]

What makes you so sure of that (especially since he'd only be a caretaker anyway) and who else would you fetch in instead?

 

[kingjulian]

Just sack the fucker.

What is this doing the morally right thing bollox...

Just do whatever it takes to get us back to the top.

 

[Judge Jules]

Has anyone said it would be morally wrong to sack Roy? If they have, I don't see why. We're under no moral obligation to allow him to drag us into the Championship.

 

[kingjulian]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42293.msg1199468#msg1199468 date=1287342961]
Has anyone said it would be morally wrong to sack Roy? If they have, I don't see why. We're under no moral obligation to allow him to drag us into the Championship.
[/quote]

I may have misunderstood the purpose of this thread....

but words like "Liverpool way" "Knee-jerk" pointed me in that direction...

 

[Judge Jules]

I take those as comments on the footballing rights and wrongs of all this, rather than on any supposed moral ones.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=WinningEleven link=topic=42293.msg1199348#msg1199348 date=1287336755]
No, not only he is tactically inept, he also spouts shits in his press conferences and interviews..
self serving, arrogant, useless old fool..
he should be sacked immediately
[/quote]

I don't see the need to belittle him really. What's the point in scraping through his every utterance trying to find another non-nicety to boot him with? He's clearly out of his depth, and as Mark said - not showing anywhere near enough signs to demonstrate that he's got the nous or capability to drag us out of this - but all this bullshit aimed at him from the usual fucking bluffers is equally as embarassing.

How the fuck is he "arrogant" or "self serving"? What has he done to demonstrate evidence of either. Zero. I feel for him in a way. He shouldn't be in the role, and his reputation as being one of football's good guys, and of a manager of decent repute is being washed away everytime the fucking camera pans to him. Not every manager can be a Mourinho, or a Wenger, doesn't mean they haven't paid their dues though.

The hypocrisy here's astounding. People banging on about ridding our club of that Texan joker for the last two weeks cos he didn't understand 'The Liverpool way', and then this to our own Manager?

Fuck off.

 

[the count]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42293.msg1199643#msg1199643 date=1287354007]
[quote author=WinningEleven link=topic=42293.msg1199348#msg1199348 date=1287336755]
No, not only he is tactically inept, he also spouts shits in his press conferences and interviews..
self serving, arrogant, useless old fool..
he should be sacked immediately
[/quote]

I don't see the need to belittle him really. What's the point in scraping through his every utterance trying to find another non-nicety to boot him with? He's clearly out of his depth, and as Mark said - not showing anywhere near enough signs to demonstrate that he's got the nous or capability to drag us out of this - but all this bullshit aimed at him from the usual fucking bluffers is equally as embarassing.

How the fuck is he "arrogant" or "self serving"? What has he done to demonstrate evidence of either. Zero. I feel for him in a way. He shouldn't be in the role, and his reputation as being one of football's good guys, and of a manager of decent repute is being washed away everytime the fucking camera pans to him. Not every manager can be a Mourinho, or a Wenger, doesn't mean they haven't paid their dues though.

The hypocrisy here's astounding. People banging on about ridding our club of that Texan joker for the last two weeks cos he didn't understand 'The Liverpool way', and then this to our own Manager?

Fuck off.

[/quote]

He doesn't merit the personal abuse that is being hurled his way because he is, no doubt, a decent bloke.
However, it is apparent now that he is way out of his dept, unfortunately, and it is really time for him to go, as early in his incumbancy as it is.
Considering that previous managers, with some success, attracted such vitriol, you can hardly be surprised that Hodgson has as well, harsh and unjustified as it may be.

Welcome back by the way.
Can I assume that it was the "Take That" video that done the trick 😉

 

[localny]

Welcome back Ryan. It's nice to see your words.

Clearly the people slagging off abuse at Roy personally are eejits. Do we really need to give them air?

To me, it's like the Rafa hating. You don't think he's good enough for the job, fair enough.

In Rafa's case, the hatred should be mitigated by acknowledgment of his successes.

In Roy's case, it should be mitigated by the fact, that he is a decent guy, reasonably accomplished in the game (compared to any of us), and a gentleman.

 

[Oncy]

Im trying not to rip him, because he is a lovely fella but he has to go.
Im not going to start disecting press snippets or anything but were in the bottom 2, Weve got -6 goals, weve won 1 in 8, Weve lost to northampton and blackpool in our last two home games. The players look demotivated and dissinterested just as they did under the last manager. We cant afford to wait.

 

[Ryan]

I don't think anyone's arguing otherwise Andy.

 

[WinningEleven]

Yes. Beautiful.

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42293.msg1199468#msg1199468 date=1287342961]
Has anyone said it would be morally wrong to sack Roy? If they have, I don't see why. We're under no moral obligation to allow him to drag us into the Championship.
[/quote]

 

[Dreambeliever]

Sadly in this case its not.

I really thought Roy would have made a better go of it than this.

But really it only gets worse and worse.

It's time for Roy to go one way or another.

The big question is who next?

We can't afford another manager to come in and not do well.

 

[ZhaoYun]

[quote author=crump link=topic=42293.msg1199411#msg1199411 date=1287339309]
[quote author=aquaman4 link=topic=42293.msg1199401#msg1199401 date=1287338760]
[quote author=crump link=topic=42293.msg1199385#msg1199385 date=1287337759]
I think six goals against is the most damning stat.

But fuck stats, we are just plain shit, a team full of internationals and we can't keep hold of the ball ever.
[/quote]
you are better off with an avarage player than an avarage international player as they will be worse when they come back from international breaks and have to play more games .unfortunately we have many below avarage international players in our squad (lucas,poulsen,maxi,jovanovic,....etc)
[/quote]

Bollocks - our players are much better than this. Much better than Blackpools and Brums and Evertons. They're just playing shite right now. They're playing on their own, no teeamwork, no work ethic, no movement, no ideas.

It's the coach. He hasn't got a fucking clue.


[/quote]

I agree with Crump. On paper, our pool of players should not lose to Blackpool at home, crash-out of FA Cup in the hand of some minor team. Torres, Gerald, Joe Cole, Kuyt, Reina, Carragher, Maxi, Meiriles, these are top class player who are not playing at even 20% of their potential ! And who can we blame ?

 

[jason]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42293.msg1199643#msg1199643 date=1287354007]
[quote author=WinningEleven link=topic=42293.msg1199348#msg1199348 date=1287336755]
No, not only he is tactically inept, he also spouts shits in his press conferences and interviews..
self serving, arrogant, useless old fool..
he should be sacked immediately
[/quote]

I don't see the need to belittle him really. What's the point in scraping through his every utterance trying to find another non-nicety to boot him with? He's clearly out of his depth, and as Mark said - not showing anywhere near enough signs to demonstrate that he's got the nous or capability to drag us out of this - but all this bullshit aimed at him from the usual fucking bluffers is equally as embarassing.

How the fuck is he "arrogant" or "self serving"? What has he done to demonstrate evidence of either. Zero. I feel for him in a way. He shouldn't be in the role, and his reputation as being one of football's good guys, and of a manager of decent repute is being washed away everytime the fucking camera pans to him. Not every manager can be a Mourinho, or a Wenger, doesn't mean they haven't paid their dues though.

The hypocrisy here's astounding. People banging on about ridding our club of that Texan joker for the last two weeks cos he didn't understand 'The Liverpool way', and then this to our own Manager?

Fuck off.

[/quote]

Nice to see you've still got your teeth.By Gum. BiG Guns.Bad gu.y

 

[WinningEleven]

and why not? Have seen worst things ditched out to rafa over here.
Roy only cares about himself!

"I have a three-year contract so if someone wants to get rid of me they presumably pay up my three-year contract"
"It will be a sad day for football if I am sacked".
"I was feted as one of the best managers around".
"A local derby against our fiercest rivals is the best way to bounce back, if we're capable of doing so."
"Any fair-minded person will agree with me that we were unlucky to lose (to everton)"
"You're under pressure as the liverpool manager if you lose 2 games in a row, at this stage of the season we have already lost uuuum, 5 is it? I think we lost 5 out of 8, or is it 4?"
"ok 4 out of 8, Obviously that is a very very bad return, ummm I think there are reasons for it and I think we have been a little bit unlucky, of course I can't stand here and say there is no reason for me not to feel under pressure, of course there is, errrr but it would be sad I think if I, if I, ummm have to shoulder all the responsibility for whats gone especially in light of the performances of the players have given."

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42293.msg1199643#msg1199643 date=1287354007]
[quote author=WinningEleven link=topic=42293.msg1199348#msg1199348 date=1287336755]
No, not only he is tactically inept, he also spouts shits in his press conferences and interviews..
self serving, arrogant, useless old fool..
he should be sacked immediately
[/quote]

I don't see the need to belittle him really. What's the point in scraping through his every utterance trying to find another non-nicety to boot him with? He's clearly out of his depth, and as Mark said - not showing anywhere near enough signs to demonstrate that he's got the nous or capability to drag us out of this - but all this bullshit aimed at him from the usual fucking bluffers is equally as embarassing.

How the fuck is he "arrogant" or "self serving"? What has he done to demonstrate evidence of either. Zero. I feel for him in a way. He shouldn't be in the role, and his reputation as being one of football's good guys, and of a manager of decent repute is being washed away everytime the fucking camera pans to him. Not every manager can be a Mourinho, or a Wenger, doesn't mean they haven't paid their dues though.

The hypocrisy here's astounding. People banging on about ridding our club of that Texan joker for the last two weeks cos he didn't understand 'The Liverpool way', and then this to our own Manager?

Fuck off.

[/quote]

 

[Squiggles]

I agree with Ryan.

Some of the abuse has been fucking ridiculous, wrong ,and complete bullshit a lot of the time, and from posters I would usually expect better from, too. But there's no denying that Roy should resign or be dismissed very quickly. We cannot go on like this.

 

[spider-Neil]

people surely have to admit sacking a manager after 8 games sets a 'very' dangerous precedent because what happens if the poor run continues? what do you do then?

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42293.msg1199723#msg1199723 date=1287383950]
people surely have to admit sacking a manager after 8 games sets a 'very' precedent because what happens if the poor run continues? what do you do then?
[/quote]

I'd be dead against changing for the sake of it, but it's not really the case, sometimes you have to make bold decisions to save a team. We're in crisis, there's no getting away from it. It's ok now when you win a game and move up four, five or six places. What happens as time goes on and you barely move up a place for getting a win? It's a quarter of the way through the season and he just has to go, we need to appoint someone like Kenny until the end of the season and hope for the best, and at this stage I really would take O'Neill too over Hodgson.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199725#msg1199725 date=1287384292]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42293.msg1199723#msg1199723 date=1287383950]
people surely have to admit sacking a manager after 8 games sets a 'very' precedent because what happens if the poor run continues? what do you do then?
[/quote]

I'd be dead against changing for the sake of it, but it's not really the case, sometimes you have to make bold decisions to save a team. We're in crisis, there's no getting away from it. It's ok now when you win a game and move up four, five or six places. What happens as time goes on and you barely move up a place for getting a win? It's a quarter of the way through the season and he just has to go, we need to appoint someone like Kenny until the end of the season and hope for the best, and at this stage I really would take O'Neill too over Hodgson.
[/quote]

one of the reasons a stated for not sacking rafa was it would start a revolving door of managers, I seriously, seriously hope I'm wrong about that.
if NESV were asking me for my advice (ha ha) I would tell them to sack roy (NOW) install kenny and give him the simple brief of keeping us up, then sound out a new hungry manager with progressive ideas who can bring down the average age of the sqaud, improve the footbll and work in tandem with their ideas that brought red sox back to the top. by roy's own admission he is too set in his ways.

that basically rules out the likes of MON and managers of vast experience, our brief should be long term with us treading water in the short term. how long did it take kilinsman and loew to change the entire landscape of german football?