forget that manager is roy and the club is liverpool, this is purely a debate about giving a manager time.
is it knee jerk to to sack a manager after 8 league games?
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Yes
Not if you know you made the wrong decision in the first place.
ordinarely I would have said yes.
I can hand on heart say if we were obviously evolving, i.e. playing a more pressing style of football then I would have more patience. I've always been of the opinion a manager should be given 3 seasons.
I can hand on heart say if we were obviously evolving, i.e. playing a more pressing style of football then I would have more patience. I've always been of the opinion a manager should be given 3 seasons.
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If Hodgson had a track-record we could look back upon and gain some comfort from then yes, it would be. But he hasn't go a good history. We needed someone to come in, do the simple things, and make the team believe again.
He's failing, and he has to go.
He's failing, and he has to go.
Normally yes, it would qualify as kneejerking, but it's downright autistic to stick to that come what may. You have to look at what's actually happening in any given situation and decide whether or not to make an exception. If we were slumming it in 9th or 10th, I'd be unhappy but wouldn't be calling for Roy's head yet. We're not - we're one off the bottom now and in a genuine relegation battle. Our squad may be thin, but it's not THAT thin. Roy is in over his head with this job and there's a very real danger he'll take us down if we persist with him.
As galling as it is to lose 2-0 to the Bluesh*te, would winning 1-0 merely have papered over our glaring current inadequacies?
Possible outcomes
a) Budgie realises he's out of his depth, and starts looking for a dignified exit
b) Lucas, Babel et al realise that the game is up and they need to either start playing or get ready to get booted out
c) NSV realise that they've got their work cut out, and start looking intensely to strengthen the squad using their miraculous "information analysis power" that has made such a difference to the Red Sox
d) the better players decide to stay, aware that the mediocrity surrounding them won't be for much longer.
Granted, this is a stretch, but I'm trying to think long term and find a silver lining , when all I want to do is drown my sorrows.
Possible outcomes
a) Budgie realises he's out of his depth, and starts looking for a dignified exit
b) Lucas, Babel et al realise that the game is up and they need to either start playing or get ready to get booted out
c) NSV realise that they've got their work cut out, and start looking intensely to strengthen the squad using their miraculous "information analysis power" that has made such a difference to the Red Sox
d) the better players decide to stay, aware that the mediocrity surrounding them won't be for much longer.
Granted, this is a stretch, but I'm trying to think long term and find a silver lining , when all I want to do is drown my sorrows.
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199333#msg1199333 date=1287336139]
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
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I can't argue with any of that.
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
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I can't argue with any of that.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199333#msg1199333 date=1287336139]
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
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good post marky 🙂
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
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good post marky 🙂
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42293.msg1199340#msg1199340 date=1287336416]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199333#msg1199333 date=1287336139]
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
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good post marky 🙂
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Not alot you can say really. I'm sure the 'I knew all along-ists' will be gleefully looking at their smug fucking grin tonight, but realistically you back what you're given, regardless, as a fan, what else can you do? But he's done nothing, he was given minimalistic expectations in steadying the ship and keeping things ticking over, instead he's jumped in with half a tonne of bricks and we're in danger of going under. Nice logic but it just hasn't worked out. It's time to save this team.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199333#msg1199333 date=1287336139]
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
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good post marky 🙂
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Not alot you can say really. I'm sure the 'I knew all along-ists' will be gleefully looking at their smug fucking grin tonight, but realistically you back what you're given, regardless, as a fan, what else can you do? But he's done nothing, he was given minimalistic expectations in steadying the ship and keeping things ticking over, instead he's jumped in with half a tonne of bricks and we're in danger of going under. Nice logic but it just hasn't worked out. It's time to save this team.
No, not only he is tactically inept, he also spouts shits in his press conferences and interviews..
self serving, arrogant, useless old fool..
he should be sacked immediately
self serving, arrogant, useless old fool..
he should be sacked immediately
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199345#msg1199345 date=1287336691]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42293.msg1199340#msg1199340 date=1287336416]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199333#msg1199333 date=1287336139]
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
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good post marky 🙂
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Not alot you can say really. I'm sure the 'I knew all along-ists' will be gleefully looking at their smug fucking grin tonight, but realistically you back what you're given, regardless, as a fan, what else can you do? But he's done nothing, he was given minimalistic expectations in steadying the ship and keeping things ticking over, instead he's jumped in with half a tonne of bricks and we're in danger of going under. Nice logic but it just hasn't worked out. It's time to save this team.
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I thought roy was a poor appointment but not in my wildest nightmare did I imagine he would be THIS bad. seriously, where's his 'plan b'?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42293.msg1199340#msg1199340 date=1287336416]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199333#msg1199333 date=1287336139]
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
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good post marky 🙂
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Not alot you can say really. I'm sure the 'I knew all along-ists' will be gleefully looking at their smug fucking grin tonight, but realistically you back what you're given, regardless, as a fan, what else can you do? But he's done nothing, he was given minimalistic expectations in steadying the ship and keeping things ticking over, instead he's jumped in with half a tonne of bricks and we're in danger of going under. Nice logic but it just hasn't worked out. It's time to save this team.
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I thought roy was a poor appointment but not in my wildest nightmare did I imagine he would be THIS bad. seriously, where's his 'plan b'?
Insults really arnt necessary. Its enough to say that he has to go.
He has to go
He has to go
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42293.msg1199355#msg1199355 date=1287336988]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199345#msg1199345 date=1287336691]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42293.msg1199340#msg1199340 date=1287336416]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199333#msg1199333 date=1287336139]
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
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good post marky 🙂
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Not alot you can say really. I'm sure the 'I knew all along-ists' will be gleefully looking at their smug fucking grin tonight, but realistically you back what you're given, regardless, as a fan, what else can you do? But he's done nothing, he was given minimalistic expectations in steadying the ship and keeping things ticking over, instead he's jumped in with half a tonne of bricks and we're in danger of going under. Nice logic but it just hasn't worked out. It's time to save this team.
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I thought roy was a poor appointment but not in my wildest nightmare did I imagine he would be THIS bad. seriously, where's his 'plan b'?
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I don't even know what's his plan a.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199345#msg1199345 date=1287336691]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42293.msg1199340#msg1199340 date=1287336416]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42293.msg1199333#msg1199333 date=1287336139]
I think the point with managers, at this stage, is you have to have seen 'something'. You have to be able to recognise where they are going. Right now we're going nowhere, no style, shape, tactic, preference, anything. It's rare that you find yourself wanting a gaffa gone at this stage, but it doesn't look good.
He said give him 10 games, we've seen nothing. It's a quarter of the way though the season near enough and we're in the bottom three, and I don't give a shiny shite what anyone says about what we were left with (and Rafa fucked up Royally over the last two seasons), we're better than this.
Nice man, wrong man. Time to cut bait.
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good post marky 🙂
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Not alot you can say really. I'm sure the 'I knew all along-ists' will be gleefully looking at their smug fucking grin tonight, but realistically you back what you're given, regardless, as a fan, what else can you do? But he's done nothing, he was given minimalistic expectations in steadying the ship and keeping things ticking over, instead he's jumped in with half a tonne of bricks and we're in danger of going under. Nice logic but it just hasn't worked out. It's time to save this team.
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I thought roy was a poor appointment but not in my wildest nightmare did I imagine he would be THIS bad. seriously, where's his 'plan b'?
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I don't even know what's his plan a.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=42293.msg1199354#msg1199354 date=1287336979]
It would be knee jerk to sack any manager except Roy after only 8 games.
There is absolutely no future with any hope if Roy is at the helm.
If you could see light at the end of the tunnel that would be a different story, currently its all dark!
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I can see light down there. Trouble is it's the headlight of an oncoming train. We need to get off the track, pronto.
It would be knee jerk to sack any manager except Roy after only 8 games.
There is absolutely no future with any hope if Roy is at the helm.
If you could see light at the end of the tunnel that would be a different story, currently its all dark!
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I can see light down there. Trouble is it's the headlight of an oncoming train. We need to get off the track, pronto.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42293.msg1199355#msg1199355 date=1287336988]
I thought roy was a poor appointment but not in my wildest nightmare did I imagine he would be THIS bad. seriously, where's his 'plan b'?
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his plan B is reserved for the Championship league
I thought roy was a poor appointment but not in my wildest nightmare did I imagine he would be THIS bad. seriously, where's his 'plan b'?
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his plan B is reserved for the Championship league
I have to admit I feel ashamed for wanting roy out because as I said in all the years of supporting liverpool I've always maintained a managr should be given at least three seasons and I've never 'actively' wanted a manager out before (never) well, until now.
Neil, we get the point. You want him gone.
Do you really have to pollute any and every thread with this stuff? Just change your username to Fuckoffwoy for a bit and we'll get the point.
Do you really have to pollute any and every thread with this stuff? Just change your username to Fuckoffwoy for a bit and we'll get the point.
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