is it fair to say kuyt is in a poor run of form...
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It sends a terrible signal to young players at the club.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36960.msg1010439#msg1010439 date=1260395118]
I can't really say I'm surprised. He had a similar (albeit not quite as bad) slump last season, which nobody dared mention amidst the love in.
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kuyt has had a slump every single season he has been here.
I can't really say I'm surprised. He had a similar (albeit not quite as bad) slump last season, which nobody dared mention amidst the love in.
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kuyt has had a slump every single season he has been here.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36960.msg1010439#msg1010439 date=1260395118]
I can't really say I'm surprised. He had a similar (albeit not quite as bad) slump last season, which nobody dared mention amidst the love in.
We need a real top class winger.
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I mentioned it, loadsa times.
I can't really say I'm surprised. He had a similar (albeit not quite as bad) slump last season, which nobody dared mention amidst the love in.
We need a real top class winger.
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I mentioned it, loadsa times.
Kuyts form is shocking?
Well he always was a team player.... surely its only appropriate.
Well he always was a team player.... surely its only appropriate.
Kuyt has been shocking for over 2 months now.
I mentioned this is some other Dirk Kuyt thread..
[quote author=Garmy link=topic=37059.msg985053#msg985053 date=1257825986]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37059.msg985009#msg985009 date=1257813715]
When Dirk's bad, he's hopeless. He just doesn't have much to fall back on if he isn't in good form.
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He's great when the whole team's playing great, cuz he'll harass the opponents non-stop, and pops up anywhere and everywhere cuz his legs can bring him there. But we can't rely on him much as an individual. Too one-dimensioned.
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..and my opinion remains the same.
[quote author=Garmy link=topic=37059.msg985053#msg985053 date=1257825986]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37059.msg985009#msg985009 date=1257813715]
When Dirk's bad, he's hopeless. He just doesn't have much to fall back on if he isn't in good form.
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He's great when the whole team's playing great, cuz he'll harass the opponents non-stop, and pops up anywhere and everywhere cuz his legs can bring him there. But we can't rely on him much as an individual. Too one-dimensioned.
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..and my opinion remains the same.
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Rafa, listen carefully; Dirk Kuyt shall never ever again be played as our lone striker. EVER!
He is NOT a striker (at least not anymore) and we're at a bare minimum a 100% better off fielding N'gog upthere - should Torres stay unfit.
When he strayed offside for the umpteenth time last night I almost tipped over my newly poured lager. Almost.
He is NOT a striker (at least not anymore) and we're at a bare minimum a 100% better off fielding N'gog upthere - should Torres stay unfit.
When he strayed offside for the umpteenth time last night I almost tipped over my newly poured lager. Almost.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=36960.msg1010843#msg1010843 date=1260439174]
Rafa, listen carefully; Dirk Kuyt shall never ever again be played as our lone striker. EVER!
He is NOT a striker (at least not anymore) and we're at a bare minimum a 100% better off fielding N'gog upthere - should Torres stay unfit.
When he strayed offside for the umpteenth time last night I almost tipped over my newly poured lager. Almost.
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He scored most of his goals last season as a striker but when the team is playing like shit and are in need of an early out ball, it's a pretty fucked situation - Kuyt knows he's too slow to latch onto anything, so he veers offside.
Rafa, listen carefully; Dirk Kuyt shall never ever again be played as our lone striker. EVER!
He is NOT a striker (at least not anymore) and we're at a bare minimum a 100% better off fielding N'gog upthere - should Torres stay unfit.
When he strayed offside for the umpteenth time last night I almost tipped over my newly poured lager. Almost.
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He scored most of his goals last season as a striker but when the team is playing like shit and are in need of an early out ball, it's a pretty fucked situation - Kuyt knows he's too slow to latch onto anything, so he veers offside.
It has just dawned on me . Dirk is just another part of the jigsaw in the Torres as lone striker with Gerrard playing behind formation.
Rafa stumbled on the Gerrard Torres formation by accident ,through lack of other options and it worked. Dirk was accommodated out of the way on the right, as a spin it worked and became almost an integral part of it.
Take either the Gerrard or Torres element out and it falls over as no one is right to replace either of them, (well Yossi is the right man to replace Gerard in that role , but Rafa won't try it).
So when the Torres Gerrard formation is not there, Dirk is a bit fucked.
We need to forget about that formation it relies on two people being in the team too much.
regards
Rafa stumbled on the Gerrard Torres formation by accident ,through lack of other options and it worked. Dirk was accommodated out of the way on the right, as a spin it worked and became almost an integral part of it.
Take either the Gerrard or Torres element out and it falls over as no one is right to replace either of them, (well Yossi is the right man to replace Gerard in that role , but Rafa won't try it).
So when the Torres Gerrard formation is not there, Dirk is a bit fucked.
We need to forget about that formation it relies on two people being in the team too much.
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Yes, me
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36960.msg1010971#msg1010971 date=1260446799]
It has just dawned on me . Dirk is just another part of the jigsaw in the Torres as lone striker with Gerrard playing behind formation.
Rafa stumbled on the Gerrard Torres formation by accident ,through lack of other options and it worked. Dirk was accommodated out of the way on the right, as a spin it worked and became almost an integral part of it.
Take either the Gerrard or Torres element out and it falls over as no one is right to replace either of them, (well Yossi is the right man to replace Gerard in that role , but Rafa won't try it).
So when the Torres Gerrard formation is not there, Dirk is a bit fucked.
We need to forget about that formation it relies on two people being in the team too much.
regards
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I agree with most of this but the Gerrard-Torres combo also relied on the midfield behind them.
That has been the main difference this season. Lucas-Mascher just doesnt work and leaves the Gerrard-Torres partnership completely isolated and useless.
Gerrard should have been back in the middle with Yossi behind Torres.
Oh, and I think I talked already about our ole Deadly... :🙂
It has just dawned on me . Dirk is just another part of the jigsaw in the Torres as lone striker with Gerrard playing behind formation.
Rafa stumbled on the Gerrard Torres formation by accident ,through lack of other options and it worked. Dirk was accommodated out of the way on the right, as a spin it worked and became almost an integral part of it.
Take either the Gerrard or Torres element out and it falls over as no one is right to replace either of them, (well Yossi is the right man to replace Gerard in that role , but Rafa won't try it).
So when the Torres Gerrard formation is not there, Dirk is a bit fucked.
We need to forget about that formation it relies on two people being in the team too much.
regards
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I agree with most of this but the Gerrard-Torres combo also relied on the midfield behind them.
That has been the main difference this season. Lucas-Mascher just doesnt work and leaves the Gerrard-Torres partnership completely isolated and useless.
Gerrard should have been back in the middle with Yossi behind Torres.
Oh, and I think I talked already about our ole Deadly... :🙂
rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36960.msg1010971#msg1010971 date=1260446799]
It has just dawned on me . Dirk is just another part of the jigsaw in the Torres as lone striker with Gerrard playing behind formation.
Rafa stumbled on the Gerrard Torres formation by accident ,through lack of other options and it worked. Dirk was accommodated out of the way on the right, as a spin it worked and became almost an integral part of it.
Take either the Gerrard or Torres element out and it falls over as no one is right to replace either of them, (well Yossi is the right man to replace Gerard in that role , but Rafa won't try it).
So when the Torres Gerrard formation is not there, Dirk is a bit fucked.
We need to forget about that formation it relies on two people being in the team too much.
regards
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Kuyt was very effective last season from the right sided berth because he formed an excellent partnership with Arbeloa on that flank. They combined very well and was one of our main attacking threats. Also, he managed to score a few times from the service from the other flank provided by Riera and Aurelio.
This season when starting on the right, Kuyt hasn't formed the same partnership with Magic, partly because of Glen's injuries and maybe also because Glen doesn't really need him as much as Arbeloa to help attack that flank. Lsatly our service from the left has been pretty much non-existent this season and so Kuyt hasn't had as many opportunities to score.
So yes, Kuyt playing on the right needs a big rethink.
It has just dawned on me . Dirk is just another part of the jigsaw in the Torres as lone striker with Gerrard playing behind formation.
Rafa stumbled on the Gerrard Torres formation by accident ,through lack of other options and it worked. Dirk was accommodated out of the way on the right, as a spin it worked and became almost an integral part of it.
Take either the Gerrard or Torres element out and it falls over as no one is right to replace either of them, (well Yossi is the right man to replace Gerard in that role , but Rafa won't try it).
So when the Torres Gerrard formation is not there, Dirk is a bit fucked.
We need to forget about that formation it relies on two people being in the team too much.
regards
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Kuyt was very effective last season from the right sided berth because he formed an excellent partnership with Arbeloa on that flank. They combined very well and was one of our main attacking threats. Also, he managed to score a few times from the service from the other flank provided by Riera and Aurelio.
This season when starting on the right, Kuyt hasn't formed the same partnership with Magic, partly because of Glen's injuries and maybe also because Glen doesn't really need him as much as Arbeloa to help attack that flank. Lsatly our service from the left has been pretty much non-existent this season and so Kuyt hasn't had as many opportunities to score.
So yes, Kuyt playing on the right needs a big rethink.
Speculation doesn't cease to be speculation through repetition. This silly picking and choosing of what bits to believe and what bits to dismiss, depending on one's bias, is getting more and more prevalent. Apparently we're now managed by Chauncey Gardiner, Souness is a brave tactical genius/freedom fighter and the club is doomed according to the logic of dialectical materialism.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1010984#msg1010984 date=1260448308]
rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
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Don't ever wtf me Neil
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rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
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Don't ever wtf me Neil
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So, Rafa "stumbled" on the Gerrard/ Torres combination?
Or didn't stumble?
I think it's a bit of tricky one, really, He's shown several signs of not knowing where the fuck to play Gerrard: RM. CM. AM. Striker.
He bought Keane. What was the plan there?
He also seemed to think Sissoko could play an advanced role in CM at one point.
So to claim that his "master plan" was always to play Torres and Gerrard in an advanced striking partnership seems rather specious.
Or didn't stumble?
I think it's a bit of tricky one, really, He's shown several signs of not knowing where the fuck to play Gerrard: RM. CM. AM. Striker.
He bought Keane. What was the plan there?
He also seemed to think Sissoko could play an advanced role in CM at one point.
So to claim that his "master plan" was always to play Torres and Gerrard in an advanced striking partnership seems rather specious.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1010984#msg1010984 date=1260448308]
rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
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Don't ever wtf me Neil
regards
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heh heh 🙂
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1010984#msg1010984 date=1260448308]
rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
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Don't ever wtf me Neil
regards
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heh heh 🙂
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1011012#msg1011012 date=1260450649]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36960.msg1011001#msg1011001 date=1260450163]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1010984#msg1010984 date=1260448308]
rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
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Don't ever wtf me Neil
regards
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heh heh 🙂
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I am not sure what that is meant to mean, but I don't think I like that either.
regards
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1010984#msg1010984 date=1260448308]
rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
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Don't ever wtf me Neil
regards
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heh heh 🙂
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I am not sure what that is meant to mean, but I don't think I like that either.
regards
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=36960.msg1011005#msg1011005 date=1260450434]
So, Rafa "stumbled" on the Gerrard/ Torres combination?
Or didn't stumble?
I think it's a bit of tricky one, really, He's shown several signs of not knowing where the fuck to play Gerrard: RM. CM. AM. Striker.
He bought Keane. What was the plan there?
He also seemed to think Sissoko could play an advanced role in CM at one point.
So to claim that his "master plan" was always to play Torres and Gerrard in an advanced striking partnership seems rather specious.
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Indeed so, and if it was, it was not well thought out for the reasons we have now, if one or the other is missing, plan "A" is pretty fucked up with no apparent plan "B" ...Oh wait playing Dirk as the lone striker 🙁
regards
So, Rafa "stumbled" on the Gerrard/ Torres combination?
Or didn't stumble?
I think it's a bit of tricky one, really, He's shown several signs of not knowing where the fuck to play Gerrard: RM. CM. AM. Striker.
He bought Keane. What was the plan there?
He also seemed to think Sissoko could play an advanced role in CM at one point.
So to claim that his "master plan" was always to play Torres and Gerrard in an advanced striking partnership seems rather specious.
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Indeed so, and if it was, it was not well thought out for the reasons we have now, if one or the other is missing, plan "A" is pretty fucked up with no apparent plan "B" ...Oh wait playing Dirk as the lone striker 🙁
regards
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36960.msg1011001#msg1011001 date=1260450163]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1010984#msg1010984 date=1260448308]
rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
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Don't ever wtf me Neil
regards
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heh heh 🙂
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I am not sure what that is meant to mean, but I don't think I like that either.
regards
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fucks sake vlad chill out. okay, gerrard was moved to an advanced position before torres arrived, he then bought torres and played him as an out and out striker (a brilliant move as he played deeper for AM and spain). so no, I don't think rafa stumbled on the torres/gerrard I will conceed however rafa didn't have the faintest clue what to do with keane because to be a success it would have to break up that gerrard/torres combo.
lastly, kuyt has been utter gash
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36960.msg1011001#msg1011001 date=1260450163]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1010984#msg1010984 date=1260448308]
rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
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Don't ever wtf me Neil
regards
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heh heh 🙂
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I am not sure what that is meant to mean, but I don't think I like that either.
regards
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fucks sake vlad chill out. okay, gerrard was moved to an advanced position before torres arrived, he then bought torres and played him as an out and out striker (a brilliant move as he played deeper for AM and spain). so no, I don't think rafa stumbled on the torres/gerrard I will conceed however rafa didn't have the faintest clue what to do with keane because to be a success it would have to break up that gerrard/torres combo.
lastly, kuyt has been utter gash
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36960.msg1011001#msg1011001 date=1260450163]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1010984#msg1010984 date=1260448308]
rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
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Don't ever wtf me Neil
regards
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heh heh 🙂
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I am not sure what that is meant to mean, but I don't think I like that either.
regards
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fucks sake vlad chill out. okay, gerrard was moved to an advanced position before torres arrived, he then bought torres and played him as an out and out striker (a brilliant move as he played deeper for AM and spain). so no, I don't think rafa stumbled on the torres/gerrard I will conceed however rafa didn't have the faintest clue what to do with keane because to be a success it would have to break up that gerrard/torres combo.
lastly, kuyt has been utter gash
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I am not sure that that sequence was actually correct.
I think he tried playing Torres in various combinations of two up front, but it did not work out, and then Gerrard took up the advanced role, Torres liked it and then stated his preference for being a lone striker.
regards
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1011012#msg1011012 date=1260450649]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36960.msg1011001#msg1011001 date=1260450163]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36960.msg1010984#msg1010984 date=1260448308]
rafa 'stumbled' on the gerrard/torres combo? wtf?!
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Don't ever wtf me Neil
regards
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heh heh 🙂
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I am not sure what that is meant to mean, but I don't think I like that either.
regards
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fucks sake vlad chill out. okay, gerrard was moved to an advanced position before torres arrived, he then bought torres and played him as an out and out striker (a brilliant move as he played deeper for AM and spain). so no, I don't think rafa stumbled on the torres/gerrard I will conceed however rafa didn't have the faintest clue what to do with keane because to be a success it would have to break up that gerrard/torres combo.
lastly, kuyt has been utter gash
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I am not sure that that sequence was actually correct.
I think he tried playing Torres in various combinations of two up front, but it did not work out, and then Gerrard took up the advanced role, Torres liked it and then stated his preference for being a lone striker.
regards
[quote author=Tinto link=topic=36960.msg1010986#msg1010986 date=1260448433]
Kuyt was very effective last season from the right sided berth because he formed an excellent partnership with Arbeloa on that flank.[/quote]
Tinto - Kuyt was very poor for a good 2-4 months last season too.
Kuyt was very effective last season from the right sided berth because he formed an excellent partnership with Arbeloa on that flank.[/quote]
Tinto - Kuyt was very poor for a good 2-4 months last season too.
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