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[quote author=dossena link=topic=34464.msg947580#msg947580 date=1253536121]
He is the best at our club at the moment and I want him to start all CL and league games for us.
Before last season he wasn't though. The big tall Finn was.
At that time, Nesta, Vidic, Ferdinand, Cannavaro, Carvalho and Terry were also better than Carra.
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Cannavaro was consistently poor at Real, Nesta isn't the player he was and hasn't been for a couple seasons, Rio still switches off and so on and so on. Carra was amongst the best in his position.
He is the best at our club at the moment and I want him to start all CL and league games for us.
Before last season he wasn't though. The big tall Finn was.
At that time, Nesta, Vidic, Ferdinand, Cannavaro, Carvalho and Terry were also better than Carra.
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Cannavaro was consistently poor at Real, Nesta isn't the player he was and hasn't been for a couple seasons, Rio still switches off and so on and so on. Carra was amongst the best in his position.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34464.msg947583#msg947583 date=1253536448]
[quote author=dossena link=topic=34464.msg947580#msg947580 date=1253536121]
He is the best at our club at the moment and I want him to start all CL and league games for us.
Before last season he wasn't though. The big tall Finn was.
At that time, Nesta, Vidic, Ferdinand, Cannavaro, Carvalho and Terry were also better than Carra.
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Cannavaro was consistently poor at Real, Nesta isn't the player he was and hasn't been for a couple seasons, Rio still switches off and so on and so on. Carra was amongst the best in his position.
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This is exactly my point.
No one else bar Liverpool fans would agree with you, but to each his own and all that..
[quote author=dossena link=topic=34464.msg947580#msg947580 date=1253536121]
He is the best at our club at the moment and I want him to start all CL and league games for us.
Before last season he wasn't though. The big tall Finn was.
At that time, Nesta, Vidic, Ferdinand, Cannavaro, Carvalho and Terry were also better than Carra.
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Cannavaro was consistently poor at Real, Nesta isn't the player he was and hasn't been for a couple seasons, Rio still switches off and so on and so on. Carra was amongst the best in his position.
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This is exactly my point.
No one else bar Liverpool fans would agree with you, but to each his own and all that..
What is exactly your point?
Everyone knows Cannavaro was largely shocking at Real and everyone knows Nesta isn't the player he once was.
No one else bar Liverpool fans rate Reina as the best goalkeeper in the Premiership. It doesn't mean it's not true.
If you can only name four players you'd have ahead of Carra, then you can still say he's amongst the best in his position and therefore a stupid argument.
Everyone knows Cannavaro was largely shocking at Real and everyone knows Nesta isn't the player he once was.
No one else bar Liverpool fans rate Reina as the best goalkeeper in the Premiership. It doesn't mean it's not true.
If you can only name four players you'd have ahead of Carra, then you can still say he's amongst the best in his position and therefore a stupid argument.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34464.msg947586#msg947586 date=1253536752]
What is exactly your point?
Everyone knows Cannavaro was largely shocking at Real and everyone knows Nesta isn't the player he once was.
No one else bar Liverpool fans rate Reina as the best goalkeeper in the Premiership. It doesn't mean it's not true.
If you can only name four players you'd have ahead of Carra, then you can still say he's amongst the best in his position and therefore a stupid argument.
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Not really..
I wouldn't swap Torres for any other striker in the world, and neither would you.
I wouldn't swap Gerrard for any other midfielder in the world, and neither would you.
But a lot of you guys would go "Carra is the first name on the team sheet.." which is rubbish really.. He's not even the best in England, and until last year he wasn't even the best center half at the club.
Oh and Carra has never ever been better than Nesta.
What is exactly your point?
Everyone knows Cannavaro was largely shocking at Real and everyone knows Nesta isn't the player he once was.
No one else bar Liverpool fans rate Reina as the best goalkeeper in the Premiership. It doesn't mean it's not true.
If you can only name four players you'd have ahead of Carra, then you can still say he's amongst the best in his position and therefore a stupid argument.
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Not really..
I wouldn't swap Torres for any other striker in the world, and neither would you.
I wouldn't swap Gerrard for any other midfielder in the world, and neither would you.
But a lot of you guys would go "Carra is the first name on the team sheet.." which is rubbish really.. He's not even the best in England, and until last year he wasn't even the best center half at the club.
Oh and Carra has never ever been better than Nesta.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34464.msg947591#msg947591 date=1253537593]
You seem to be confusing yourself.
So the best CB at our club and one that you would want to start all CL and league games shouldn't be one of the first names on the team sheet?
Interesting.
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He should be forth.
You seem to be confusing yourself.
So the best CB at our club and one that you would want to start all CL and league games shouldn't be one of the first names on the team sheet?
Interesting.
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He should be forth.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34464.msg947551#msg947551 date=1253531633]
I think him and Mascherano are most over-hyped players.
He's a good, solid enough defender - but he's been pretty shit in attack so far this season (he was better last year at this) and does lack Aurelio's quality on the ball. I don't see massive amount of potential Insua - he can and will get better, but I fear not as much as people hope or expect.
A decent young squaddie to have.
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^^
I really don't see how he is any better than warnock.
He'll be a decent Premiership player but not the superstar everyone is hoping for.
I think him and Mascherano are most over-hyped players.
He's a good, solid enough defender - but he's been pretty shit in attack so far this season (he was better last year at this) and does lack Aurelio's quality on the ball. I don't see massive amount of potential Insua - he can and will get better, but I fear not as much as people hope or expect.
A decent young squaddie to have.
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^^
I really don't see how he is any better than warnock.
He'll be a decent Premiership player but not the superstar everyone is hoping for.
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I think the expectations simply stem from him being our first 'prospect' to make the first team for a good while, and then being favourably compared to Dossena.
I like him, I think he's good, but that's where I think the 'superstar fullback' hope stems from.
I like him, I think he's good, but that's where I think the 'superstar fullback' hope stems from.
[quote author=dossena link=topic=34464.msg947599#msg947599 date=1253538003]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34464.msg947597#msg947597 date=1253537883]
You're a gimp.
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NO YOU DIDN'T!!
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You fucking pleb.
I enjoyed reading that, well in Ken.
Can we just cut to the cahse and ban this 'new' poster.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34464.msg947597#msg947597 date=1253537883]
You're a gimp.
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NO YOU DIDN'T!!
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You fucking pleb.
I enjoyed reading that, well in Ken.
Can we just cut to the cahse and ban this 'new' poster.
[quote author=Stu link=topic=34464.msg947631#msg947631 date=1253540448]
[quote author=dossena link=topic=34464.msg947599#msg947599 date=1253538003]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34464.msg947597#msg947597 date=1253537883]
You're a gimp.
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NO YOU DIDN'T!!
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You fucking pleb.
I enjoyed reading that, well in Ken.
Can we just cut to the cahse and ban this 'new' poster.
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Eh?
You could've just said you agreed with him without throwing me an insult, let alone asking the mod to ban me.
Carragher is the best in the world then whatever.
[quote author=dossena link=topic=34464.msg947599#msg947599 date=1253538003]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34464.msg947597#msg947597 date=1253537883]
You're a gimp.
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NO YOU DIDN'T!!
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You fucking pleb.
I enjoyed reading that, well in Ken.
Can we just cut to the cahse and ban this 'new' poster.
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Eh?
You could've just said you agreed with him without throwing me an insult, let alone asking the mod to ban me.
Carragher is the best in the world then whatever.
aurelio should walk straight back in the team, he brings more to the table.
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Squiggles
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34464.msg947639#msg947639 date=1253540874]
aurelio should walk straight back in the team, he brings more to the table.
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Before tripping over it.
aurelio should walk straight back in the team, he brings more to the table.
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Before tripping over it.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34464.msg947641#msg947641 date=1253540929]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34464.msg947639#msg947639 date=1253540874]
aurelio should walk straight back in the team, he brings more to the table.
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Before tripping over it.
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breaking his leg in three places.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34464.msg947639#msg947639 date=1253540874]
aurelio should walk straight back in the team, he brings more to the table.
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Before tripping over it.
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breaking his leg in three places.
everyone raving about insua when I think he has been no more than 'solid' defensively and 'tidy' offensively. very overrated much like skrtel.
I don't think he is over-rated on these boards Neil.
Most people see him for what he is, no one is proclaiming him to be world class or anything.
He has potential, that much is clear. Exposure to the first team has obviously aided that.
Most people see him for what he is, no one is proclaiming him to be world class or anything.
He has potential, that much is clear. Exposure to the first team has obviously aided that.
He is just 20 years old. And for a 20 year old, he is a bloody good left back.
He was brilliant going forward in the reserves and Ablett has remarked a number of times on how he should improve the defending. He has improved that aspect. I think he has the potential to be a very good - steady eddie type of left back - a left sided Steve Finnan, if not more.
He was brilliant going forward in the reserves and Ablett has remarked a number of times on how he should improve the defending. He has improved that aspect. I think he has the potential to be a very good - steady eddie type of left back - a left sided Steve Finnan, if not more.
talking about fullbacks, I'm going to give props to johnson who saw carra and skrtel were being turned inside out by hines so reverted by to a more traditional fullback and didn't give hines a sniff in the second half. so in your face to the people who said he can't defend for toffee (not aimed at anyone on this board).
Good read:
Emiliano Insua: Anfield’s best-kept secret
Gareth Roberts takes time out from his Well Red LFC blog to sing the praises of an unsung hero.
Written by Gareth Roberts on September 21st, 2009 ? Add a Comment
WHEN Fernando Torres turned on the afterburner to leave a string of West Ham defenders floundering in his slipstream the last thing on anyone’s mind was who had passed to the Spanish superstar for his moment of magic.
For the record it was Emiliano Insua – Liverpool’s unsung hero of the season so far.
Too often the work of the quietly-effective full back is overlooked.
The pass that led to Torres’s superb strike to nail the Hammers on Saturday was the Argentine left back’s second assist of the season.
Offering consistency, strength, solidity, a good ‘engine’ and an attacking instinct, the 20-year-old has played every second for Liverpool this season – and he’s hardly put a foot wrong.
Inusa might not have hit the headlines like Glen Johnson on the opposite flank but you get the impression that’s just the way he likes it.
And while the Cockney mafia from the national press may not have noticed his sterling work in attack and defence, it has clearly not passed Rafa Benitez by.
Every manager has their favourites and there’s no doubt Fabio Aurelio is one of Benitez’s – as evidenced by the manager’s special treatment of the Brazilian last season to make sure he was fit to play in most of the important games.
Having been with him at Valencia too, the classy Brazilian is clearly someone the Spaniard feels he can rely on.
So it says everything that Benitez is keeping faith with the rookie left back he signed from Boca Juniors now that the vastly experienced Aurelio is fit again after injury.
Let’s not forget too that Andrea Dossena – an Italian international – is still at the club and pushing for a place at left back as well.
Yet both players are sat twiddling their thumbs on the bench while a player who is still to clock up 30 appearances for the Reds continues to seize his opportunity.
Not bad for a player that at just 17 left his home country to jet to the other side of the world without having made a first-team appearance for Boca.
The Buenos Aires-born defender was spotted by Benitez’s scouting network starring at youth level for Argentina.
Arsenal v Liverpool, FA Premier League
He initially arrived at Anfield on loan but after impressing the Reds’ coaching team he was signed up for the paltry initial fee of £115,000 with Gabriel Paletta used as a makeweight in the deal.
Given Insua’s performances that’s got to rank as one of the best bargains in the league – but that wouldn’t suit certain national newspaper’s anti-Benitez agenda so it’s not something you’re likely to see written in the press anytime soon.
Despite his tender years and the difficulties of adapting to an alien culture, Insua has been a model professional during his time on Merseyside.
He had to bide his time for a chance in the first team and even when it first came he found himself quickly dumped back into the reserves, alerting several potential suitors, including Newcastle.
Turning out for the second-string his talent stood out a mile and, given the attitude of many modern-day footballers, a translated article from an Argentine newspaper criticising Benitez would have come as no surprise.
But not Insua. Instead he knuckled down, played a key role in the reserves winning the league under Gary Ablett, and then later seized his chance in the first team when Aurelio was again struck down by injury.
As Reds coach Mauricio Pellegrini said: “You have to be ready and when Emiliano had the opportunity to play, his performances were really good.â€
Insua even managed to get back in favour with Benitez after playing in the South American Under-20 Championships earlier this year.
He hasn’t looked back since.
Fellow squad members who have been quick to whinge about having to wait for an opportunity in the first team would do well to take note of his attitude.
So good has Insua been that a first full Argentina cap looks within touching distance, with the possibility of the World Cup also on the horizon.
The Buenos Aires-born defender has caught the eye of Argentina manager Diego Maradona and Benitez confirmed: “Maradona and the Argentina staff are monitoring the situation because they know he’s doing well.
“I think in the future – I don’t know how long, but sooner rather than later – he will be with the national team.â€
Insua added: “I have thought about playing for Argentina at the World Cup, but only in my dreams. First I have to play well for Liverpool.â€
For now, Insua remains the least talked about young left-back in the league, the hacks preferring to fawn over Gael Clichy and Kieran Gibbs at Arsenal or Fabio da Silva at Manchester United.
But if the number 22 carries on impressing for club and country, it’s only a matter of time before they finally notice his talents.
Emiliano Insua: Anfield’s best-kept secret
Gareth Roberts takes time out from his Well Red LFC blog to sing the praises of an unsung hero.
Written by Gareth Roberts on September 21st, 2009 ? Add a Comment
WHEN Fernando Torres turned on the afterburner to leave a string of West Ham defenders floundering in his slipstream the last thing on anyone’s mind was who had passed to the Spanish superstar for his moment of magic.
For the record it was Emiliano Insua – Liverpool’s unsung hero of the season so far.
Too often the work of the quietly-effective full back is overlooked.
The pass that led to Torres’s superb strike to nail the Hammers on Saturday was the Argentine left back’s second assist of the season.
Offering consistency, strength, solidity, a good ‘engine’ and an attacking instinct, the 20-year-old has played every second for Liverpool this season – and he’s hardly put a foot wrong.
Inusa might not have hit the headlines like Glen Johnson on the opposite flank but you get the impression that’s just the way he likes it.
And while the Cockney mafia from the national press may not have noticed his sterling work in attack and defence, it has clearly not passed Rafa Benitez by.
Every manager has their favourites and there’s no doubt Fabio Aurelio is one of Benitez’s – as evidenced by the manager’s special treatment of the Brazilian last season to make sure he was fit to play in most of the important games.
Having been with him at Valencia too, the classy Brazilian is clearly someone the Spaniard feels he can rely on.
So it says everything that Benitez is keeping faith with the rookie left back he signed from Boca Juniors now that the vastly experienced Aurelio is fit again after injury.
Let’s not forget too that Andrea Dossena – an Italian international – is still at the club and pushing for a place at left back as well.
Yet both players are sat twiddling their thumbs on the bench while a player who is still to clock up 30 appearances for the Reds continues to seize his opportunity.
Not bad for a player that at just 17 left his home country to jet to the other side of the world without having made a first-team appearance for Boca.
The Buenos Aires-born defender was spotted by Benitez’s scouting network starring at youth level for Argentina.
Arsenal v Liverpool, FA Premier League
He initially arrived at Anfield on loan but after impressing the Reds’ coaching team he was signed up for the paltry initial fee of £115,000 with Gabriel Paletta used as a makeweight in the deal.
Given Insua’s performances that’s got to rank as one of the best bargains in the league – but that wouldn’t suit certain national newspaper’s anti-Benitez agenda so it’s not something you’re likely to see written in the press anytime soon.
Despite his tender years and the difficulties of adapting to an alien culture, Insua has been a model professional during his time on Merseyside.
He had to bide his time for a chance in the first team and even when it first came he found himself quickly dumped back into the reserves, alerting several potential suitors, including Newcastle.
Turning out for the second-string his talent stood out a mile and, given the attitude of many modern-day footballers, a translated article from an Argentine newspaper criticising Benitez would have come as no surprise.
But not Insua. Instead he knuckled down, played a key role in the reserves winning the league under Gary Ablett, and then later seized his chance in the first team when Aurelio was again struck down by injury.
As Reds coach Mauricio Pellegrini said: “You have to be ready and when Emiliano had the opportunity to play, his performances were really good.â€
Insua even managed to get back in favour with Benitez after playing in the South American Under-20 Championships earlier this year.
He hasn’t looked back since.
Fellow squad members who have been quick to whinge about having to wait for an opportunity in the first team would do well to take note of his attitude.
So good has Insua been that a first full Argentina cap looks within touching distance, with the possibility of the World Cup also on the horizon.
The Buenos Aires-born defender has caught the eye of Argentina manager Diego Maradona and Benitez confirmed: “Maradona and the Argentina staff are monitoring the situation because they know he’s doing well.
“I think in the future – I don’t know how long, but sooner rather than later – he will be with the national team.â€
Insua added: “I have thought about playing for Argentina at the World Cup, but only in my dreams. First I have to play well for Liverpool.â€
For now, Insua remains the least talked about young left-back in the league, the hacks preferring to fawn over Gael Clichy and Kieran Gibbs at Arsenal or Fabio da Silva at Manchester United.
But if the number 22 carries on impressing for club and country, it’s only a matter of time before they finally notice his talents.
still want aurelio in the team though 😛
to be fair insua has done well.
to be fair insua has done well.
Well that's the best £115,000 player we've spent in a while.
He could do with scoring sometime soon. Get that first goal out of the way.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34464.msg947648#msg947648 date=1253541211]
everyone raving about insua when I think he has been no more than 'solid' defensively and 'tidy' offensively. very overrated much like skrtel.
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May be so. But for what it is worth he is a lot more consistent than Aurelio. Aurelio has turned in a lot of dire performce marred by defensive errors. If i see Insua's name on the team sheet, i know we are going to get a solid performance. I can't really say that about Aurelio.
I have a lot of time for Insua.
everyone raving about insua when I think he has been no more than 'solid' defensively and 'tidy' offensively. very overrated much like skrtel.
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May be so. But for what it is worth he is a lot more consistent than Aurelio. Aurelio has turned in a lot of dire performce marred by defensive errors. If i see Insua's name on the team sheet, i know we are going to get a solid performance. I can't really say that about Aurelio.
I have a lot of time for Insua.
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