Insua - Just a thought

[The Slugmonster]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=34464.msg898032#msg898032 date=1246405008]
Insua has never struck me as being lazy. He does always look like a fat kid out of breath though.

The main issues from what I can recall (I feel fucking senile these days, I really do) are that he needs to work on his positioning and improve his man marking (he can be a little rash in when deciding to go for the ball at times). I think he's got the talent and intelligence to get there though.

Either way, he doesn't need to be spectacular in order to be a success. I'd be very happy if he just turned out to be a solid squaddie that ends up saving us some money in the transfer market.
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Thats not a whole lot to improve on when you think that last week we spent £17 million on a right back of which has been said his defensive qualities need to improve. Not worried about Insua at all. Just have my fingers crossed that Johnsons the missing link on the right both going forward and defending.

 

[TheBunnyman]

Insua looks quite good going forward - willing and imaginative in his runs. The truth is he hasn't really been tested defensively yet. He's also got *very* short legs.

 

[Squiggles]

Yeah,  I have my concerns about Insua and have expressed it before.  He's been over-praised to a degree because he's been compared to that hapless Dossena prick, whose only ability is to make sheer competence look a world-class performance.

That said, you couldn't ask any more from him. He's come in and for the most part has done extremely well, but as a long-term solution, or a LB for a title-winning team, I'm yet to be convinced.

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=rage link=topic=34464.msg897986#msg897986 date=1246396528]
its when sissoko tried to become a box to box midfielder that it started to go wrong for him. should have kept the lad to keep doing what he was good at instead of making the attacking runs.

as long as insua doesn't decide he's torres and end up out of position all the time he'll be ok.

i've only really seen kuyt (deservedly so) 2 seasons ago and lucas get overtly criticised. lucas may be 1st choice if alonso leaves. that'll be interesting
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It is when Momo's eye fell out (or something like that) after the match against Benfica that things started going wrong for him. He was never the same player thereafter.

Momo had some truly outstanding performances in his first season- that game away to the Chavs when we outplayed them but lost to a Drogba wondergoal stands out for me. He was rampant that day, and gave Essien and Lampard a torrid time.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

from .tv:

Javier Mascherano expects compatriot Emiliano Insua to take his game to another level next season after an impressive 2008-09.
The 20-year-old made 13 appearances at left-back last campaign despite the presence of Fabio Aurelio and Andrea Dossena.

Fellow Argentine Mascherano thinks Insua will give his more experienced counterparts even more of a run for their money when the new season gets underway.

"He's been doing well," Mascherano told LFC Magazine. "Obviously he is a young player so can still improve and get better.

"It isn't easy to be playing for the Liverpool first team at just 20-years-old. I'm really happy for him."

Insua initially joined Liverpool on loan from Boca Juniors in January 2007 before the deal was made permanent later in the same year.

Mascherano added: "Emiliano didn't play first-team football in Argentina, so to come here at such a young age and make the breakthrough is a great achievement.

"It would have been easier for him had he played first-team football in Argentina. Everything was new to Insua when he came here. But after just two years he is playing really well whenever he gets into the first team."

 

[drizzt]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34464.msg898024#msg898024 date=1246403516]
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=34464.msg898021#msg898021 date=1246403319]
Everytime I have watched Insua he has impressed me and his performance against Arsenal was wonderous proving he can play against a big side, as far as im concerned we have got quite the player on our hands.
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I thought he was fucking shit away to West Brom towards the end of last season.

Still, you gotta expect these peaks and troughs from youngsters I guess. There's just something about him that worries me.
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He has 1 brain fart per game, most times he's recovered or been bailed out. Like you say it goes with the territory of someone who is still learning the game. As long as he learns the lessons he'll be fine.

 

[SummerOnions]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34464.msg898605#msg898605 date=1246529515]
from .tv:

Javier Mascherano expects compatriot Emiliano Insua to take his game to another level next season after an impressive 2008-09.
The 20-year-old made 13 appearances at left-back last campaign despite the presence of Fabio Aurelio and Andrea Dossena.

Fellow Argentine Mascherano thinks Insua will give his more experienced counterparts even more of a run for their money when the new season gets underway.

"He's been doing well," Mascherano told LFC Magazine. "Obviously he is a young player so can still improve and get better.

"It isn't easy to be playing for the Liverpool first team at just 20-years-old. I'm really happy for him."

Insua initially joined Liverpool on loan from Boca Juniors in January 2007 before the deal was made permanent later in the same year.

Mascherano added: "Emiliano didn't play first-team football in Argentina, so to come here at such a young age and make the breakthrough is a great achievement.

"It would have been easier for him had he played first-team football in Argentina. Everything was new to Insua when he came here. But after just two years he is playing really well whenever he gets into the first team."

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Mascherano wouldn't say that and then leave, would he?

 

[Spudgun]

Thats what I thought, Gareth. Great minds...

 

[Modo]

Is it just me or does it seem like Mascherano is protecting Inusa on the pitch and also giving him instructions and passing the ball to him more than usual?
Looks like a big brother little brother combo.

 

[spider-Neil]

insua has done alright but I still want aurelio in the team.

 

[Modo]

Home games: Aurelio
Away games: Insua

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Modokay link=topic=34464.msg946846#msg946846 date=1253443041]
Home games: Aurelio
Away games: Insua
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doesn't make a lot of sense to rotate the back line. anyway even if aurelio takes the first team spot his bound to crock himself again to let in insua again.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34464.msg946848#msg946848 date=1253443277]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=34464.msg946846#msg946846 date=1253443041]
Home games: Aurelio
Away games: Insua
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doesn't make a lot of sense to rotate the back line. anyway even if aurelio takes the first team spot his bound to crock himself again to let in insua again.
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Definitely

 

[madmax]

I still don't have that much faith on Aurelio as a defender. Insua is the better defender.

Insua is turning out to be a bit like Arbeloa. Unspectacular but quite good.

 

[gareth_thomas]

i think he has been terrific. i think he is an excellent one-on-one defender. He knows how to get in front of a player and similar to Rafael at Utd is very terrier-like in his attempts to stop someone from getting past him.

going forward he is also very good.. considering he is very young and Rafa and the other players look to have great faith in him id suggest he is impressing a lot in training as well as on match day..

for once i think we all have a reason to be positive about a young lad coming through with Benitez in charge...

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=34464.msg946859#msg946859 date=1253443876]
i think he has been terrific. i think he is an excellent one-on-one defender. He knows how to get in front of a player and similar to Rafael at Utd is very terrier-like in his attempts to stop someone from getting past him.

going forward he is also very good.. considering he is very young and Rafa and the other players look to have great faith in him id suggest he is impressing a lot in training as well as on match day..

for once i think we all have a reason to be positive about a young lad coming through with Benitez in charge...
[/quote]Good lad.

 

[dossena]

I don't think Insua will ever be good enough for Liverpool.

He's not a better left back than Warnock is.

He is not very pacy, doesn't use the ball well, quite solid defensively to his credit, but that's about it.

We need better.

 

[rage]

aurelio is the better full back. insua is solid squad player and may grow into a quality left back. in any case he's far better than the 8 million pound fat italian.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Insua is better with Riera ahead of him as he helps him out defensively.

Aurelio with Yossi or Babel.


edit: Just for a few months or so, by which time Insua should be fine by himself (he probably already is to be fair).

 

[ArtOfficialIntelligence]

[quote author=dossena link=topic=34464.msg946936#msg946936 date=1253449209]
I don't think Insua will ever be good enough for Liverpool.

He's not a better left back than Warnock is.

He is not very pacy, doesn't use the ball well, quite solid defensively to his credit, but that's about it.

We need better.
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What?

 

[Roger REDerer]

Insua = Argentinian Warnock.

He's fairly reliable. And that's all he's gonna offer you. Nothing spectacular about him.
But of course, he can improve drastically and I hope he does.

Glen is a perfect example. Shite when he was at Chelsea. But has come on leaps and bounds ever since. So there's still hope for Insua.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=34464.msg947141#msg947141 date=1253461664]
Insua = Argentinian Warnock.

He's fairly reliable. And that's all he's gonna offer you. Nothing spectacular about him.
But of course, he can improve drastically and I hope he does.

Glen is a perfect example. Shite when he was at Chelsea. But has come on leaps and bounds ever since. So there's still hope for Insua.
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Warnock was never as defensively sound as Insua is.

 

[Buddha]

I like him. He reminds me of a stocky young Lizarazu.

He'll be one of the best left-backs around in a couple of years.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=34464.msg947486#msg947486 date=1253523835]
I like him. He reminds me of a stocky young Lizarazu.

He'll be one of the best left-backs around in a couple of years.
[/quote]

That's a very bold claim.

 

[Mors]

[quote author=Modokay link=topic=34464.msg946846#msg946846 date=1253443041]
Home games: Aurelio
Away games: Insua
[/quote]

I kinda agree with that and know what you mean, but it's a sticky wicket. As you really need to have your back 4 playing together week in week out.

Insua isn't very good at distributing the ball or getting forward and contibuting, but is a decent at defending. Aurelio on the other hand gets broken every 5mins, isn't bad at going forward or defending.

Think I'd be tempted to gamble on Insua, as he's doing a decent job a deserves a run in the team. I don't think he's done anything wrong to be dropped, and Aurelio hasn't done anything amazing to steal it back off him.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34464.msg947495#msg947495 date=1253525151]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=34464.msg947486#msg947486 date=1253523835]
I like him. He reminds me of a stocky young Lizarazu.

He'll be one of the best left-backs around in a couple of years.
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That's a very bold claim.
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Maybe so, but I believe he warrants such optimism.

He's a terrific young fullback.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=madmax link=topic=34464.msg946856#msg946856 date=1253443649]
I still don't have that much faith on Aurelio as a defender. Insua is the better defender.

Insua is turning out to be a bit like Arbeloa. Unspectacular but quite good.
[/quote]

I think that's you and me in a minority of two Max.

I also think Insua is a better defender that Aurelio by a good margin

regards

 

[Squiggles]

I think him and Mascherano are most over-hyped players.

He's a good, solid enough defender - but he's been pretty shit in attack so far this season (he was better last year at this) and does lack Aurelio's quality on the ball. I don't see massive amount of potential Insua - he can and will get better, but I fear not as much as people hope or expect.

A decent young squaddie to have.

 

[dossena]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34464.msg947551#msg947551 date=1253531633]
I think him and Mascherano are most over-hyped players.
[/quote]

You think? Carragher is.

His name is always mentioned alongside Gerrard and Torres, the two elite footballers, considered the best in their position.

Carragher, a very good defender don't get me wrong, but does not even belong in the top 5 of best center backs in the world, yet some here would mark him as 'indispensible".

 

[keniget]

[quote author=dossena link=topic=34464.msg947574#msg947574 date=1253535411]
Carragher, a very good defender don't get me wrong, but does not even belong in the top 5 of best center backs in the world, yet some here would mark him as 'indispensible".
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For a few years, he was amongst the best in his position.