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If he goes, who do we bring in until the end of the season?

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There's a lot of holier than thou talk here with people overly eager to defend BR on the back of points rather than performance.

Tactically for us he's been at best middling, with a poor transfer record. Most of his league success with us came by playing the polar opposite style of what he preaches and was hired to implement.

If you don't think those are red flags this far down the road, you've buried your head in the sand.
 
Laurent Blanc would be interesting I guess.

But we won't sack Rodgers anyway, so it's a moot point.
 
Ryan said:
It's half zonal, with the 'zonal' component being inside the 6 yard box. Quite a few sides are adopting it these days.

I could explain it, but I won't cos we're no fucking good at it anyway.
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Anything beginning with the word 'half' most always leads to 'dabbling' doesn't it?
 
Whirly said:
There's a lot of holier than thou talk here with people overly eager to defend BR on the back of points rather than performance.

Tactically for us he's been at best middling, with a poor transfer record. Most of his league success with us came by playing the polar opposite style of what he preaches and was hired to implement.

If you don't think those are red flags this far down the road, you've buried your head in the sand.
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On his credit side we have beaten teams by 4 or more in 10 of the 64 league games he's been in charge, a record no other LFC Manager can boast. His team has also scored over 100 goals in a season. So he has something in his locker, if I were a Director I'd worry I was throwing the baby out with the bath water if it came to terminating his contract.
 
Ryan said:
It's half zonal, with the 'zonal' component being inside the 6 yard box. Quite a few sides are adopting it these days.

I could explain it, but I won't cos we're no fucking good at it anyway.
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Is that the "half double decaffeinated half-caf, with a twist of lemon" of defensive set ups?
 
mom said:
That's a massively myopic viewpoint.

Getting a good manager is priceless. Look at how much we spunk on shite players. A top manager could turn things around and pronto. Sadly, I doubt that Rafa is the right man.
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Yeah but this is about Rafa. If there is the same situation for a good manager and I'm saying the same thing then yeah, but otherwise nah
 
I wonder if the posters who want Rafa back are the type who always go back out with old girlfriends? You know, towards the end of the relationship they were constantly moaning about them, telling anyone who would listen how much of a psycho they are. But a year or two later, after a few drinks they're all "such and such was a really nice girl you know..."
 
athensruairi said:
I wonder if the posters who want Rafa back are the type who always go back out with old girlfriends? You know, towards the end of the relationship they were constantly moaning about them, telling anyone who would listen how much of a psycho they are. But a year or two later, after a few drinks they're all "such and such was a really nice girl you know..."
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No because I usually trade up.
I wouldn't go from Mariah Carey to Susan Boyle.
 
Fuck me, I'm getting miffed....words would fail me if I had to try and explain how embarrassing this thread and others here are for SCM....and from people who have been around for the better part of 10 years?! And Rafa?! Isn't it time to shelf the knee jerk and grow up? Get some perspective and stop talking about letting our manager go mid-season who just finished 2nd with the best football since 87/88?

What a waste of time for a site with such an abundance of quality posters.
 
Whirly said:
There's a lot of holier than thou talk here with people overly eager to defend BR on the back of points rather than performance.

Tactically for us he's been at best middling, with a poor transfer record. Most of his league success with us came by playing the polar opposite style of what he preaches and was hired to implement.

If you don't think those are red flags this far down the road, you've buried your head in the sand.
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No there isn't. For the hundred time, no one is defending Rodgers to the hilt. He doesn't have a cheer squad blindly supporting him. This has been made clear throughout the forum. Ryan made an excellent post in his thread "The Manager". Everyone agrees with the points he made and his criticism of the manager is spot on.
There is no holier than thou talk or attitude here. Rodgers is on thin ice with EVERYONE.

The level headed posters are getting a bit fed up with a few posters ramming hypocritical posts down our throats across the forums. i.e Calling for Rodgers immediate sacking and hypothetically appointing a man they originally wanted sacked as our manager. As I've said in another thread, it's hard to take that logic seriously. Especially when you throw in contradictory plans for the future of our clubs. Are we moving forward or backwards hypothetically appointing Rafa? No one has thought it through, it's a case of sack Rodgers, get Rafa. Then we'll worry about the future of the club.

The same posters who are guilty of wanting Rafa sacked are now placing a caveat to mask their contradictory reasoning for having him back. Oh, if we knew Hodgson was going to be our manager we wouldn't have wanted Rafa sacked. I'm sorry but they are separate issues. If you initially wanted Rafa sacked you cannot use the Hodgson caveat to exonerate you from originally calling for his head. I might have my timelines off but I don't think we were aware we were getting Hodgson when we parted ways with Rafa? He was appointed some time after Rafa's exit?

If I also knew we were getting Hodgson I would have kept Rafa. I'm a Rafa fan btw.

So to sum up after that sidestep, 😉, people aren't eager to defend BR on the back of points rather than performance, as you put it. No one has their head buried in the sand. The only defense Rodgers is getting is in opposition to people suggesting we just sack him now without giving him any 'real' chance to turn it around. We might ALL be calling for his head pretty soon but I won't roll out a hypothetical red carpet for Rafa just yet.
 
My_Blood_Bleeds_Red said:
How about we stop talking about sacking Brodgers and focus all our energies in trying to get a new quality striker in instead ?
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Thats what pisses me off the most. We shouldnt be having this problem when we all summer to get replacements. What the fuck was going through his head when he thought lambert and balotelli were liverpool standard?

We all knew mignolet was muck and yet nothing was done about. Those failings are inexcusable.
 
ILD said:
No there isn't. For the hundred time, no one is defending Rodgers to the hilt. He doesn't have a cheer squad blindly supporting him. This has been made clear throughout the forum. Ryan made an excellent post in his thread "The Manager". Everyone agrees with the points he made and his criticism of the manager is spot on.
There is no holier than thou talk or attitude here. Rodgers is on thin ice with EVERYONE.

The level headed posters are getting a bit fed up with a few posters ramming hypocritical posts down our throats across the forums. i.e Calling for Rodgers immediate sacking and hypothetically appointing a man they originally wanted sacked as our manager. As I've said in another thread, it's hard to take that logic seriously. Especially when you throw in contradictory plans for the future of our clubs. Are we moving forward or backwards hypothetically appointing Rafa? No one has thought it through, it's a case of sack Rodgers, get Rafa. Then we'll worry about the future of the club.

The same posters who are guilty of wanting Rafa sacked are now placing a caveat to mask their contradictory reasoning for having him back. Oh, if we knew Hodgson was going to be our manager we wouldn't have wanted Rafa sacked. I'm sorry but they are separate issues. If you initially wanted Rafa sacked you cannot use the Hodgson caveat to exonerate you from originally calling for his head. I might have my timelines off but I don't think we were aware we were getting Hodgson when we parted ways with Rafa? He was appointed some time after Rafa's exit?

If I also knew we were getting Hodgson I would have kept Rafa. I'm a Rafa fan btw.

So to sum up after that sidestep, 😉, people aren't eager to defend BR on the back of points rather than performance, as you put it. No one has their head buried in the sand. The only defense Rodgers is getting is in opposition to people suggesting we just sack him now without giving him any 'real' chance to turn it around. We might ALL be calling for his head pretty soon but I won't roll out a hypothetical red carpet for Rafa just yet.
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I don't give a shit about Rafa.
 
ILD said:
That why I kinda apologised for the Rafa side step. Hence the little wink.
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There genuinely are a handful of people who think we're morally superior to other clubs, so discussing sacking the manager is sack-rilege.

There's been enough comments from people saying that they hate this place when we're struggling, to suggest that they think getting rid of BR is absurd before examining the nuances.

I'm not totally making this up. It's a real problem that United supporters had last season between a rock and a hard place. Support your floundering manager or risk giving him the benefit of the doubt. But given how horrible we've been, there's definitely a shift from the former camp to the later week by week.

I think the worst argument out there though is how close we are points wise to other clubs. If we were even playing at an average level this season, we would be in the title chase again, but we've been horribly underwhelming.

Suppose BR gets us to sneak into 4th though this season, is there enough confidence in him moving forward? Does anybody genuinely believe his transfer targets will improve tremendously, or if we'll end up with a sorted back line? Those are the questions I would be asking personally.
 
Those are all legitimate questions. I have similar concerns, as do the majority of posters. I've never really warmed to Rodgers to be honest. I'm still undecided if he is the man to take us forward. He took giant strides last season and now we've taken two steps backwards. I don't agree with sacking him right now to start all over again.
 
I have huge concerns over his ability to set up a team to defend but last season we saw some of the best football i've ever witnessed and knowing that he is able to mastermind that is what makes me want to keep him.

I would love for those in charge to step in and say "Look, you need support, you HAVE to hire an assistant/ additional coaches, please do so" or something along those lines. Let him know that we support him but understand that he might need some support in his role.
 
Whirly: the comments about hating this place when we're struggling aren't solely, or even mainly, about the manager. They're more general than that, prompted by the kneejerk pessimism which springs up far too easily at such times. Wanting Rodgers out less than half a season after he achieved second in the league is a good example of such superficiality, but not the only one.

Those questions you list in your final para.are sensible IMHO. What isn't sensible is expecting them to be answered quickly. Things just aren't that simple, and acting as if they were - e.g.by dumping Rodgers now - may well make matters worse rather than better.
 
ILD said:
Those are all legitimate questions. I have similar concerns, as do the majority of posters. I've never really warmed to Rodgers to be honest. I'm still undecided if he is the man to take us forward. He took giant strides last season and now we've taken two steps backwards. I don't agree with sacking him right now to start all over again.
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Other than taking credit for everything that went right last season I don't really know what he did?

What strides did he make?

Isn't it curious that those strides have regressed because Sturridge is injured and Suarez is gone?

He's the same self aggrandising bellend he always was. I
 
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Judge Jules said:
Whirly: the comments about hating this place when we're struggling aren't solely, or even mainly, about the manager. They're more general than that, prompted by the kneejerk pessimism which springs up far too easily at such times. Wanting Rodgers out after less than half a season is a good example of such superficiality, but not the only one.

Those questions you list in your final para.are sensible ones IMHO. What isn't sensible is expecting them to be answered quickly. Things just aren't that simple, and acting as if they were - e.g.by dumping Rodgers now - may well make matters worse rather than better.
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There tends to be a taboo of sorts in football where you're expected to deal with the tough times without complaint, if you want to be accepted to celebrate the successes. I think some folks are unfairly grouping valid concerns and just the general reactive nature of message boards together, without really examining some of the issues.

In reality though you aren't a knee jerk glory hunting Chelsea supporter if you question our long term future with BR. There are valid questions to be asked and discussed beyond keep or sack.

There's a theory that Roman Abramovic's money doesn't just buy the best players, it also buys the best negotiators, lawyers, medical team, and facilities. Short of QPR, nobody gets jerked around on transfers quite like we do, even Spurs tend to get their targets at decent prices, even if they don't always pan out.

I don't know if it's a cultural issue of striving to maintain status quo at the club, or just an issue of talent acquisition and management from an HR standpoint, but something isn't quite right. We've heard about nepotism being a factor before.

BR has shown a willingness to play the politics game alongside managing the club. Considering there's so many questions about his management itself though, this makes me very uncomfortable about our long term goals.
 
Rosco said:
Other than taking credit for everything that went right last season I don't really know what he did?

What strides did he make?

Isn't it curious that those strides have regressed because Sturridge is injured and Suarez is gone?

He's the same self aggrandising bellend he always was. I
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Do you think a different Manager would have done better?

Who was it?
 
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