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As far as Can goes, I feel the same as with any other player that's thinks they are bigger than the club. Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
Yeah, but we usually see this stuff from players who are actually good and have the ability to turn games by themselves, or have a particular stand out World Class quality.
This cunt will be dining off that overhead kick when he's 60. He's overrated and worse still, he overrates himself and underrates our club.
I couldn't give a fuck if he never kicks a ball for us again, in fact, he shouldn't. Fuck him.
This cunt will be dining off that overhead kick when he's 60. He's overrated and worse still, he overrates himself and underrates our club.
I couldn't give a fuck if he never kicks a ball for us again, in fact, he shouldn't. Fuck him.
The yarn people can spin to avoid saying they want loads of money.
I had high hopes for Can but not arsed if he leaves
But it was a Nice goal....
I'm not so sure if the edited translation of what was said or how it was said is fair... but then if he is saying we aren't a big club then OK he can fuck off... personally my bias aside I'm pretty much fucking sure we are a bigger club than Juve or Indeed PSG... enjoy playing in crappier leagues...
If he is saying he wants to win shit then... that is acceptable comment and maybe we can do that this season.
If he is saying he wants to win shit then... that is acceptable comment and maybe we can do that this season.
In addition to all the big/not so big club stuff, I suspect there is a purely football reason Can doesn't feel fully settled and comfortable here. Imagine you're the manager and you need to assign positions for two midfielders: one is a strong tackler, but average passer, the other one is the opposite. You would stick the defensively stronger one at CDM and play the more skillful one further upfield, right? Most managers would do that as well, but Klopp generally does the opposite. That's kind of the essence of "gegenpressing" – the players who are better at winning the ball operate further upfield, so that they can use their skills in pressing and tackling to force turnovers of possession closer to the opposition goal ("pressing is the best playmaker"), while the better passers play deeper in order to deliver the ball into those areas near opposition goal as quickly and reliably as possible and with less pressure from the opposition.
This creates an unsolvable problem for Can. As a player he is generally better and happier playing at #6 (CDM) – but his incurable tendency to dwell on the ball instead of passing it off quickly and efficiently is the opposite of what Klopp requires from his deep-lying playmaker (I'm sure the coaching staff did their best to change that trait early on, but soon realized that certain things are not coachable). So after Lucas has lost the remainder of his pace and his starting place in midfield, Klopp didn't turn to Can, but instead moved Henderson – a weaker defender than Can, but a quicker passer – to CDM and in most games when we use the 4-3-3 system Can has been asked to play further up the field at #8. Can has admitted in the past that he doesn't enjoy playing there as much because this position requires more frequent sprints and stops, which puts more stress on his knees and generally wears him out – he is simply not physically built to be that kind of a midfielder, he is too powerful and not mobile enough to play this way. So we have an intrinsic conflict between the what's best for the player and for the manager; the player shows more of his best qualities at #6, but the manager prefers a different type of player in that position.
This is unfortunate, because in every other way Can has been a perfect Klopp player – alongside Firmino he was the first to buy into his style and coaching methods, dramatically turning his form around compared to the miserable last few months under Rodgers. Can scored the first goal of Klopp's reign and if I'm not mistaken his 100th as well. He was the one who instigated the comeback against Dortmund at home in Klopp's most memorable LFC game so far, scored twice against Hoffenheim to ensure our participation in the CL group stage and scored the winner with an overhead kick, no less, last season in a crucial game in the run-in to the top 4 – all of that while doing the team's best defensive work in midfield. Can has earned the manager's trust to start in most of the decisive games – but I can understand why he would think he will only realize the full extent of his potential in a team that gives him the #6 position and accepts his style rather than tries to change it.
You can understand Klopp as well. He has not been overly stubborn or tactically inflexible – when necessary he adjusted his style and system to find a way to make things work with Can at CDM or occasionally in a 2-man midfield. He clearly appreciates what Can brings to the club, but he should not have to change his whole philosophy to accommodate one player. I think the potential signing of Jorginho is designed to cut the Gordian knot of compromises and uncertainty brought about by Hendo's chronic condition and ensure that the kind of quick-passing style Klopp enjoyed with Dortmund, particularly when Sahin was playing, will be here for good. And Can will either have to adjust to this reality or find a place for himself elsewhere.
This creates an unsolvable problem for Can. As a player he is generally better and happier playing at #6 (CDM) – but his incurable tendency to dwell on the ball instead of passing it off quickly and efficiently is the opposite of what Klopp requires from his deep-lying playmaker (I'm sure the coaching staff did their best to change that trait early on, but soon realized that certain things are not coachable). So after Lucas has lost the remainder of his pace and his starting place in midfield, Klopp didn't turn to Can, but instead moved Henderson – a weaker defender than Can, but a quicker passer – to CDM and in most games when we use the 4-3-3 system Can has been asked to play further up the field at #8. Can has admitted in the past that he doesn't enjoy playing there as much because this position requires more frequent sprints and stops, which puts more stress on his knees and generally wears him out – he is simply not physically built to be that kind of a midfielder, he is too powerful and not mobile enough to play this way. So we have an intrinsic conflict between the what's best for the player and for the manager; the player shows more of his best qualities at #6, but the manager prefers a different type of player in that position.
This is unfortunate, because in every other way Can has been a perfect Klopp player – alongside Firmino he was the first to buy into his style and coaching methods, dramatically turning his form around compared to the miserable last few months under Rodgers. Can scored the first goal of Klopp's reign and if I'm not mistaken his 100th as well. He was the one who instigated the comeback against Dortmund at home in Klopp's most memorable LFC game so far, scored twice against Hoffenheim to ensure our participation in the CL group stage and scored the winner with an overhead kick, no less, last season in a crucial game in the run-in to the top 4 – all of that while doing the team's best defensive work in midfield. Can has earned the manager's trust to start in most of the decisive games – but I can understand why he would think he will only realize the full extent of his potential in a team that gives him the #6 position and accepts his style rather than tries to change it.
You can understand Klopp as well. He has not been overly stubborn or tactically inflexible – when necessary he adjusted his style and system to find a way to make things work with Can at CDM or occasionally in a 2-man midfield. He clearly appreciates what Can brings to the club, but he should not have to change his whole philosophy to accommodate one player. I think the potential signing of Jorginho is designed to cut the Gordian knot of compromises and uncertainty brought about by Hendo's chronic condition and ensure that the kind of quick-passing style Klopp enjoyed with Dortmund, particularly when Sahin was playing, will be here for good. And Can will either have to adjust to this reality or find a place for himself elsewhere.
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Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp says "nothing is decided" on the future of midfielder Emre Can and contract talks are ongoing.
The Germany international's deal runs out at the end of the season and he has been heavily linked with a move to Italian giants Juventus.
However, Klopp said negotiations with the 24-year-old remain "open".
"We are in talks with him and it's all good so far - apart from him signing a contract. That's all," Klopp said.
Can joined Liverpool from Bayer Leverkusen for £10m in 2014 and has played 166 times for the club.
The Germany international's deal runs out at the end of the season and he has been heavily linked with a move to Italian giants Juventus.
However, Klopp said negotiations with the 24-year-old remain "open".
"We are in talks with him and it's all good so far - apart from him signing a contract. That's all," Klopp said.
Can joined Liverpool from Bayer Leverkusen for £10m in 2014 and has played 166 times for the club.
So was Gerrard until we lifted big ears....
I’d be surprised if he stays but...
Losing him on a free is a downer eh...
I don’t think he overrates himself too much but at the same time he can be inconsistent... a little bit of arrogance can be a good thing...
I saw Klopp joke about him asking for 250000 a week in the press conference, and Can does have all the cards... IF we do convince him to stay then we shouldn’t break our wage structure as that would be a very bad idea but then if he were under contract and another club came buying they would give us sizeable chunks of cash...
Maybe keep him on a good contract but give him a very big signing on fee, maybe... I dunno... he is definitely a good squad player.
... and then he left, then he didn't
Not relevant to the discussion, but just saying
Common sense suggests its definitely preferable to keep Can. He's already a good player and will only get better, even if he'll never quite hit brilliant heights, IMO.
The football fan in me is sick of all his pissing about and I think he wildly overrates his current ability.
I guess I want him stay but I'd also love to slap the stupid prick at the same time.
That just seems to sum up football these days.
The football fan in me is sick of all his pissing about and I think he wildly overrates his current ability.
I guess I want him stay but I'd also love to slap the stupid prick at the same time.
That just seems to sum up football these days.
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If he went and we got Keita, Ndidi and Doucoure in the summer. I wouldn't lose any sleep.
However its unlikely we will get both Ndidi and Doucoure.
With the old German links to Cameroun and Togo we can easily fit him in. He will stay.
I'd prefer Dacoure- who is better right now. Ndidi is younger and obviously has potential but if I had to choose I'll take Dacoure.
Emre Can is out of the Merseyside derby, has been ruled out for the rest of the club season — and may even be forced to miss the World Cup finals this summer.
The Liverpool and Germany midfielder's back injury is far worse than originally thought and he could have already kicked his last ball for the Anfield giants.
Can, 24 , who is going to be out of contract this summer, was struggling to be fit for the Champions League quarter-final first leg against Manchester City on Wednesday.
The midfielder has missed the last two matches — and may be done until next season (Image: PA Wire)
Boss Jurgen Klopp stated beforehand that he was ‘very close’ to playing, but it appears a relapse has put his plans for the rest of the season in jeopardy.
And that might even stretch to the trip to Russia in two months’ time.
It is now touch and go whether Can will board the plane with Joachim Low's world champions.
It is a double blow to Liverpool, as Klopp had wanted to pick the midfielder against Everton at Goodison on Saturday and fellow midfielder Jordan Henderson is banned for the return against City after a booking in Wednesday's 3-0 win.
He may now have to stick with at least two of the engine-room players who made life so difficult for Pep Guardiola’s Premier League champions-elect.
The Liverpool and Germany midfielder's back injury is far worse than originally thought and he could have already kicked his last ball for the Anfield giants.
Can, 24 , who is going to be out of contract this summer, was struggling to be fit for the Champions League quarter-final first leg against Manchester City on Wednesday.
The midfielder has missed the last two matches — and may be done until next season (Image: PA Wire)
Boss Jurgen Klopp stated beforehand that he was ‘very close’ to playing, but it appears a relapse has put his plans for the rest of the season in jeopardy.
And that might even stretch to the trip to Russia in two months’ time.
It is now touch and go whether Can will board the plane with Joachim Low's world champions.
It is a double blow to Liverpool, as Klopp had wanted to pick the midfielder against Everton at Goodison on Saturday and fellow midfielder Jordan Henderson is banned for the return against City after a booking in Wednesday's 3-0 win.
He may now have to stick with at least two of the engine-room players who made life so difficult for Pep Guardiola’s Premier League champions-elect.
Gini, Milner and Oxlade Chamberlain are all we have available and eligible at this stage
Wow, that sucks for us, but it's a hammer blow for Can himself, not only in terms of missing the World Cup, but in that he could find himself out of contract with a long-term injury. This possibility is exactly why running down your contract is a risky strategy.
Can we bring Grujic back?
I don't think it is possible. I've read that it can only be done by mutual agreement between parent club and loan club. Grujic has been important for Cardiff. Warncock isn't going to let him go.
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