I fucking hate Guardiola

[manwithnoname]

When did he get so afraid?

The defeat to Spurs last night was nothing to do with him being afraid, or defensive.

The opposite in fact - he started Sanchez, Lingard, Lukaku and Martial and let Pogba attack at will. The only defensive player in the middle was Matic.

It was an incredibly attacking line-up

 

[ibromurph]

The defeat to Spurs last night was nothing to do with him being afraid, or defensive.

The opposite in fact - he started Sanchez, Lingard, Lukaku and Martial and let Pogba attack at will. The only defensive player in the middle was Matic.

It was an incredibly attacking line-up

Which is why they got opened up time and again.

He's better coaching defensive or counter-attacking football, but after the purchase of Sanchez and the form of Martial/Lingard, he was almost obligated to play an attacking line up yesterday.

They'd have been better served playing Herrara alongside Matic yesterday, and giving Pogba the AM role. He's not very good in a 2, when he isn't playing a Stoke or an Everton.

I can't really see Mourinho getting results at United, in big games (I don't count Arsenal), without being defensive or counter attacking. And whilst we could use a bit more of his game management strategies, the problem Mourinho will have is having to play 1 way against the shite sides (attacking) and then changing it all up for big games (to defensive). If they don't get a result when he reverts back to type in big games, the fans will be on his back asking why they can't outplay Liverpool/City/Spurs without another injection of 200m.

 

[ibromurph]

I rate Pep. He's a top coach. He improves player, unquestionably. Or at least helps polishes diamond players like KDB, Sterling, Jesus, Sane, Stones, Otamendi.

However, like has been mentioned, it's hard to know how great a coach he is, as he has only needed to work with best the clubs and players, so far in his career.

I'll throw this one out to the forums. How do we all think Klopp would do with City's talent? Or how do we feel Pep would do with our players?

Personally, I think City would be 2nd or 3rd under Klopp, as their defence isn't particularly strong, but Pep's style of ball retention means it doesn't have to be.

I also think we would be 3rd or 4th under Pep right now, as we currently are, and players like Can/Gini would have improved, but the likes of Salah and Mane might not be as effective. Ming, Karius, Moreno, Lovren and Matip would have been sacked off too, as soon as possible.

However, that's not to say Pep is a better coach.

Because the question would then become, what would Klopp build with Man City's finances? He'd probably have sold Aguero (doesn't press v well) and Otamendi (too small). I do wonder what Klopp would build with (apparently) limitless finances. What would be his ideal, realistic first 11 at Man City?​

 

[manwithnoname]

I rate Pep. He's a top coach. He improves player, unquestionably. Or at least helps polishes diamond players like KDB, Sterling, Jesus, Sane, Stones, Otamendi.

However, like has been mentioned, it's hard to know how great a coach he is, as he has only needed to work with best the clubs and players, so far in his career.

I'll throw this one out to the forums. How do we all think Klopp would do with City's talent? Or how do we feel Pep would do with our players?

Personally, I think City would be 2nd or 3rd under Klopp, as their defence isn't particularly strong, but Pep's style of ball retention means it doesn't have to be.

​

Eh? Uh? WHAT?

If Klopp was at Man City he'd win the league, just like Mancini and Pellegrini did before Guardiola arrived. Just like any competent manager would with that squad and those resources.

 

[ibromurph]

Eh? Uh? WHAT?

If Klopp was at Man City he'd win the league, just like Mancini and Pellegrini did before Guardiola arrived. Just like any competent manager would with that squad and those resources.

This year? I'm not sure. Mancini and Pellegrini won the leagues when there was only 1 real competitor. Right now, there's 4 or 5.

Would City be 15pts clear under Klopp? I doubt it. In any other season, with any other manager, they'd probably (if you think Klopp as the same level as Jose) be about 3-6pts clear. And we wouldn't be talking right now as if they had already won the title.

You have to give him a little credit for being on course for a record points haul, during one of the most competitive times in the league's recent history.

 

[juniormember]

I rate Pep. He's a top coach. He improves player, unquestionably. Or at least helps polishes diamond players like KDB, Sterling, Jesus, Sane, Stones, Otamendi.

However, like has been mentioned, it's hard to know how great a coach he is, as he has only needed to work with best the clubs and players, so far in his career.

I'll throw this one out to the forums. How do we all think Klopp would do with City's talent? Or how do we feel Pep would do with our players?

Personally, I think City would be 2nd or 3rd under Klopp, as their defence isn't particularly strong, but Pep's style of ball retention means it doesn't have to be.

I also think we would be 3rd or 4th under Pep right now, as we currently are, and players like Can/Gini would have improved, but the likes of Salah and Mane might not be as effective. Ming, Karius, Moreno, Lovren and Matip would have been sacked off too, as soon as possible.

However, that's not to say Pep is a better coach.

Because the question would then become, what would Klopp build with Man City's finances? He'd probably have sold Aguero (doesn't press v well) and Otamendi (too small). I do wonder what Klopp would build with (apparently) limitless finances. What would be his ideal, realistic first 11 at Man City?​

Klopp would not be 2nd or 3rd if he was managing Man City, for fucks sake.

 

[jason]

Bob Paisley took over the best club side, and richest, in England and proceeded to win pretty much everything in sight. He had his team performing at a higher level than his predessesor. Got them playing wonderful football. He didn’t manage a shit team either.
Does he remain unproven?

Were we the richest?

 

[ibromurph]

Klopp would not be 2nd or 3rd if he was managing Man City, for fucks sake.

If he had the same players Pep has now, I think he would have a similar season to Pep in his first year.

If he then had a year to bring in the players that better suited his style of play, I think he'd do better the following season. I guess what i'm saying is, I think it'd take at least 1 year and 1 transfer window for Klopp to win a title at City.

 

[rurikbird]

I’m absolutely sure Klopp would have won the league if he was in charge of City this season. De Bruyne is a perfect Klopp player, Sane was on Klopp’s radar before City got him, he would not have sold Aguero, having persevered with Sturridge for 2 seasons, David Silva would play in the Kagawa role behind the central striker... They would play a different style of football than under Pep, but just as devastating.

Pep with our current resources would probably finish about where Man City finished last season or lower. Our squad is not particularly well-suited to playing tiki-taka and Pep would need significant financial investment to rebuild it to his liking.

 

[Ryan]

When did he get so afraid?

When other managers figured him out.

 

[Lippy]

Bob Paisley took over the best club side, and richest, in England and proceeded to win pretty much everything in sight. He had his team performing at a higher level than his predessesor. Got them playing wonderful football. He didn’t manage a shit team either.
Does he remain unproven?

Richest? Don’t think so. Other clubs outspent us year on year but couldn’t beat us

 

[juniormember]

Richest? Don’t think so. Other clubs outspent us year on year but couldn’t beat us

Weren’t we breaking transfer records?
But anyway, even if not, you get the point.

 

[KopRed]

Which is why they got opened up time and again.

He's better coaching defensive or counter-attacking football, but after the purchase of Sanchez and the form of Martial/Lingard, he was almost obligated to play an attacking line up yesterday.

They'd have been better served playing Herrara alongside Matic yesterday, and giving Pogba the AM role. He's not very good in a 2, when he isn't playing a Stoke or an Everton.

I can't really see Mourinho getting results at United, in big games (I don't count Arsenal), without being defensive or counter attacking. And whilst we could use a bit more of his game management strategies, the problem Mourinho will have is having to play 1 way against the shite sides (attacking) and then changing it all up for big games (to defensive). If they don't get a result when he reverts back to type in big games, the fans will be on his back asking why they can't outplay Liverpool/City/Spurs without another injection of 200m.

He is simply trying to replicate his Chelsea setup which was so successful before; Lampard Makelele Robben Duff Drogba, you can see he has the players with the same attributes currently; Pogba Matic Sanchez Lingaard/Martial Lukaku, albeit a shittier bunch. But it might click. I think he will get someone in for Lingaard/Martial, and a EBJT MKII which he will inevitably pay good money to get for next season. But you can see his Chelsea 2.0 squad shaping up. It is no surprise he has targeted 2020 for a challenge on all fronts.

 

[Oncy]

Our net spend is now about £100,000,000 if you include -Coutinho+VanDijk
That's now about £19m net spend per year.

During the same period City average per season is about £111m per year.

United about £75m

Chelsea about £40m

That's what the others in the top 4 have spent since 2011.

Is what it is like, our owners are in it to make money their owners are trying to win things.
I just wish we would stop pretending we are trying to win things.

2017/18 another season without winning anything.
They just keep wracking up.

January this year we were out of all the trophies we could conceivably win.

It's usually January.
Our BEST team lost to Swansea and West Brom. That's where we are right now. And the investment just wont ever come to make us compete again.

As someone just said Klopps CV is going to be barren as fuck while he stays here.

 

[Fabio]

Is what it is like, our owners are in it to make money their owners are trying to win things.
I just wish we would stop pretending we are trying to win things.
.

In my mind, winning things and getting a profit go hand in hand. Winning increases the brand, opens up a new generation of fans globally (if we kept playing the slick football), and then we can saturate the market with LFC stuff similar to how united did in their pomp.

Problem is the owners lack of willingness to risk winning. They're happy with the Arsenal model, of doing just enough to stay relevant

Bringing in a manager who was renowned and Dortmund and Mainz for unearthing talents and shipping them for generally a profit (unless they ran contracts down), seems to marry in with that

 

[doctor_mac]

Our net spend is now about £100,000,000 if you include -Coutinho+VanDijk
That's now about £19m net spend per year.

During the same period City average per season is about £111m per year.

United about £75m

Chelsea about £40m

That's what the others in the top 4 have spent since 2011.

Is what it is like, our owners are in it to make money their owners are trying to win things.
I just wish we would stop pretending we are trying to win things.

2017/18 another season without winning anything.
They just keep wracking up.

January this year we were out of all the trophies we could conceivably win.

It's usually January.
Our BEST team lost to Swansea and West Brom. That's where we are right now. And the investment just wont ever come to make us compete again.

As someone just said Klopps CV is going to be barren as fuck while he stays here.

We did invest about 150m in the stadium expansion too. That money has to come from somewhere. I'm not saying we shouldn't be investing more in the team btw, but these things do need to be accounted for.

 

[Kay Age El]

I personally rate Guardiola as a better manager than say Mourinho. Not only does he deliver the needed trophies when he's in a lucrative position to do so (as Mourinho did with Chelsea) but he also does it in style, in a far more positive and entertaining fashion.

I'm also quite positive that his eye for talent is vastly superior to Mourinho's.

 

[Lippy]

Weren’t we breaking transfer records?
But anyway, even if not, you get the point.

I get what you're saying as other fans, City fans notably, try and pin it on us all the time. It's just not true.

We mainly broke records when selling players much like we do now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progression_of_the_British_football_transfer_fee_record

 

[manwithnoname]

I get what you're saying as other fans, City fans notably, try and pin it on us all the time. It's just not true.

We mainly broke records when selling players much like we do now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progression_of_the_British_football_transfer_fee_record

It is true. It was a slightly different market, because the idea of a global transfer market didn't really exist, but there's plenty of footballers we bought that were "transfer records" of one sort or another:

British transfer record (more than once)
Highest fee ever paid for a teenager
Highest fee ever paid for a defender (more than once)
Highest fee ever paid for a goalkeeper

 

[ILD]

If I had a list of manager I hated then Guardiola would be no where near the top.

The prime spots would be held for Ferguson, Mourinho, Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew etc. Guardiola means nothing to me, plus he is currently stopping Mourinho and United winning the league.

 

[Woland]

I was saying to a Citeh fan the other day that no-one really cares about them and it's obvious they just bought the league so the table starts from 2nd down in everyone else's head. Said it was like when it was bring a toy into school day in infants and everyone would bring their favourite toy car or whatever, but one kid would have a robot fighter jet or something and everyone ignored the flash cunt.

 

[Red Astaire]

I was saying to a Citeh fan the other day that no-one really cares about them and it's obvious they just bought the league so the table starts from 2nd down in everyone else's head. Said it was like when it was bring a toy into school day in infants and everyone would bring their favourite toy car or whatever, but one kid would have a robot fighter jet or something and everyone ignored the flash cunt.

Haha! I still remember the time when some little cunt brought in his spanking new big trax - Lording it around the playground like he owned the place. That was until one cheeky chappy snatched it from him and threw it in the school pond! He was rather upset about that!

 

[manwithnoname]

I had a Big Trak. Or rather my little brother did. So it was mine really.

It was a bit disappointing

 

[the count]

I had a Big Trak. Or rather my little brother did. So it was mine really.

It was a bit disappointing

It was probably never the same after being in the pond.

 

[manwithnoname]

It was probably never the same after being in the pond.

haha

Can't have been mine, I went to a normal school in Liverpool. We could leave at home-time and everything.

 

[gene hughes]

I also had big trak and found it disappointing.

 

[gene hughes]

And my dad didn’t like apples like the dad on the Telly.

 

[peekay]

That is a neat dig at Neville

 

[RedStar]

Ha fuck Neville, so glad he ruined any credibility he had criticising managers when he made a joke of himself at Valencia. Turns out managing a football club is harder than talking shit about people who do.