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How to keep up with City?

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Klopp has been amazing. But we can get another 97 pts and still lose it by a point.

That point will be when we're forced to play AOC again, and we draw 2-2 at home to Brighton again.

There's literally no room for error.
We can talk about draws but City messed up too losing and drawing unexpectedly. Games against each other however make a huge difference at the end of the day and City got lucky in both games against us - with massively deflected goals in both. Without those deflections it's likely we would have taken the title. Or if Mings wasn't such a fuckwit.
 
It will be interesting to see how Guardiola integrates Haaland because this is a formation we haven't seen from City before (Aguero's game was nothing like Haaland's), Haaland doesn't get involved to anything like the extent most of City's forwards/midfielders do. Although he is more clinical there will be one less midfielder/winger creating chances so fewer chances but higher percentage of chances taken = an improvement in Xg or not?
 
Maybe if Gundogan, Bernardo Silva & Sterling fuck off, it leaves them with a bit of integration to do - with a new LB, CM and forward being added to the first team.

Add that to maybe the impact of the World Cup
might affect their players more than ours.

Then maybe if we can get going early doors…

… there is a chance we can make top 4 again.
 
The aim should be to win 30-31 games per season, and we won 28 games last season. I think Nunez will give us an aerial threat which should be more potent than Mane in the same position.
we severely lacked pace through the middle , and Fabio could provide that, though I don't think he is enough.
I personally would like a CM and RW, I am not convinced on Salah being able to maintain form for the latter part of the season where he will leave free at the end
 
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Maybe if Gundogan, Bernardo Silva & Sterling fuck off, it leaves them with a bit of integration to do - with a new LB, CM and forward being added to the first team.

Add that to maybe the impact of the World Cup
might affect their players more than ours.

Then maybe if we can get going early doors…

… there is a chance we can make top 4 again.
Hal has hacked Stevie's account.
 
We can talk about draws but City messed up too losing and drawing unexpectedly. Games against each other however make a huge difference at the end of the day and City got lucky in both games against us - with massively deflected goals in both. Without those deflections it's likely we would have taken the title. Or if Mings wasn't such a fuckwit.

City absolutely battered us first half at Anfield. The game should've been over at half time. They were the better team at their place too, and Sterling was about an inch offside for that disallowed goal.

IMO 2 draws really flattered us.
 
City absolutely battered us first half at Anfield. The game should've been over at half time. They were the better team at their place too, and Sterling was about an inch offside for that disallowed goal.

IMO 2 draws really flattered us.
And yet ... 2 massively deflected goals.
 
City absolutely battered us first half at Anfield. The game should've been over at half time. They were the better team at their place too, and Sterling was about an inch offside for that disallowed goal.

IMO 2 draws really flattered us.
Not really. City did what they do. Loads of chances and miss them. And offside is offside.
 
City absolutely battered us first half at Anfield. The game should've been over at half time. They were the better team at their place too, and Sterling was about an inch offside for that disallowed goal.

IMO 2 draws really flattered us.

Nah, getting through on a one v one against Allison is a massive opportunity for sure. But seeing Allison come out on top in those situations isn’t luck and shouldn’t be that surprising anymore.
 
I could understand the ref missing it but VAR then used the 'not a clear and obvious error ' excuse which is when my blood boiled.

Four refs are retiring, so any chance things will improve?

Or is it all a giant conspiracy.... at Citys expense obviously.
 
I could understand the ref missing it but VAR then used the 'not a clear and obvious error ' excuse which is when my blood boiled.

Four refs are retiring, so any chance things will improve?

Or is it all a giant conspiracy.... at Citys expense obviously.

It's the clear and obvious thing that fucks everything up, because it always gives them some excuse.

There needs to be some other condition that sets a lower bar and is more objective.
 
They won 29 to our 28. They scored more goals than us and had a defensive record in terms of goals conceded equal to us but lost an extra game.
The difference is one game. Unless we strengthen MF the difference, I think they could win 30 games next season where we might win 28.
 
They won 29 to our 28. They scored more goals than us and had a defensive record in terms of goals conceded equal to us but lost an extra game.
The difference is one game. Unless we strengthen MF the difference, I think they could win 30 games next season where we might win 28.

I guess the hard truth is the real problem is just that they're REALLY good and nothing we can do will make our chances much better than 50/50.

Against teams outside the top 4, we dropped points in 4 games last season. 2 draws and 2 defeats. That's about as close to perfection as we can realistically expect.

We have to try and get 4 points off both City and Chelsea. Then we might just have room to manoeuvre.
 
It's the clear and obvious thing that fucks everything up, because it always gives them some excuse.

There needs to be some other condition that sets a lower bar and is more objective.
Honestly it's simple :

1. What do you (VAR) think it was?
2. Ask the referee to take another look
3. We have to get rid of the stigma that accompanies a referee going over to the screen so that it's always reversed. Maybe by making it compulsory in certain situations (penalties, sending offs, disputed goals etc.).
 
Honestly it's simple :

1. What do you (VAR) think it was?
2. Ask the referee to take another look
3. We have to get rid of the stigma that accompanies a referee going over to the screen so that it's always reversed. Maybe by making it compulsory in certain situations (penalties, sending offs, disputed goals etc.).

No!!!! The ref looking at the screen was ALWAYS a terrible idea! It maddened me right from the start - it was completely obvious that they'd default to changing their minds.

Why does the ref need to look? The VAR is a referee! That's the whole point of it!

I think some sort of time limit would be best, and then just have the VAR give an honest assessment like the on-pitch one does. No requirement for clarity and obviousness.
 
No!!!! The ref looking at the screen was ALWAYS a terrible idea! It maddened me right from the start - it was completely obvious that they'd default to changing their minds.

Why does the ref need to look? The VAR is a referee! That's the whole point of it!

I think some sort of time limit would be best, and then just have the VAR give an honest assessment like the on-pitch one does. No requirement for clarity and obviousness.
Well that is now a whole different kettle of fish. You have taken responsibility away from the onfield ref. and he's going to defer all the time so as not to make a mistake. So it will come down to VAR for everything.
I would like it compulsory in certain situations (penalties, sending offs, disputed goals etc.) but forget the time limit - it should be clear cut, if not it stays with the refs decision (bar offsides which are technically relatively easy to police if if not 100% accurate because of fps).
 
Well that is now a whole different kettle of fish. You have taken responsibility away from the onfield ref. and he's going to defer all the time so as not to make a mistake. So it will come down to VAR for everything.
I would like it compulsory in certain situations (penalties, sending offs, disputed goals etc.) but forget the time limit - it should be clear cut, if not it stays with the refs decision (bar offsides which are technically relatively easy to police if if not 100% accurate because of fps).

It would just be like it was at the start. VAR reviews important incidents and makes a decision with no "input" from the referee. That's the best way.

Then get rid of the clear and obvious standard and just make the best decision possible in 30 seconds or whatever.

The standard needn't be 'clear and obvious error' but 'foul or no foul' etc. ie the same standard the actual on-field ref applies.
 
Not getting a win against any of the top 4 outside of us was a huge factor.

When we play those teams, when we play finals, we play a safer game - like in the CL Final.

When we played City we came away lucky from both games this season.

For me, as possible champs you have to win those games if you want to win the league
 
No!!!! The ref looking at the screen was ALWAYS a terrible idea! It maddened me right from the start - it was completely obvious that they'd default to changing their minds.

Why does the ref need to look? The VAR is a referee! That's the whole point of it!

I think some sort of time limit would be best, and then just have the VAR give an honest assessment like the on-pitch one does. No requirement for clarity and obviousness.
Didn't all teams suffer from bad referring decisions? Failure was one game, as it was the same few seasons back. Tactics and personnel is where we fell short IMHO.
1. Salah well he went shit after Feb. Teams knew his style and countered him really well
2. Our right side suspect, and the overloaded it on the right
3. The MF is strong as long as we have Fabs and Thiago, and we know Thiago is suspect.
4. We absolutely have no pace through the middle as Ox went shit, and we are still keeping him. why?
 
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City still haven't signed a centre back, which is weird, seeing as that's where their weakness is. Haaland is obviously a brilliant striker, and he's likely to rectify the problem they had of not taking chances, but they'll still be making stupid mistakes and being bullied at the back. I'd say Nunez is likelier to have a transformative effect on us than Haaland is on them. We'll shit em.
 
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