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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41062.msg1139258#msg1139258 date=1279655068]
No-nonsense = English?
We've been down the high-profile 'Premiership proven' route before, with Ince and more recently the likes of Keane and Bellamy
It's hit and miss
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I think there are issues Bren, like wives not being able to settle, and perhaps a yearning for the Mediterranean climate when you have to travel to Sunderland for an evening kick off in February.
regards
No-nonsense = English?
We've been down the high-profile 'Premiership proven' route before, with Ince and more recently the likes of Keane and Bellamy
It's hit and miss
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I think there are issues Bren, like wives not being able to settle, and perhaps a yearning for the Mediterranean climate when you have to travel to Sunderland for an evening kick off in February.
regards
I think it demonstrates the club waiting until Roy had at least one foot under the table so he could have some input on who was coming in and who was going out, and it not all being down to what Purslow wanted to do.
regards
regards
How simple things are when Rafa is gone.
So excited about this season!
So excited about this season!
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41062.msg1139423#msg1139423 date=1279669268]
Its a good sign so far that signings are getting made quickly. For those who hate Purslow and love Benitez this must present a difficult dilemma. Is this a positive reflection on Hodgson (and therefore a negative one on Benitez) or a positive reflection on Purslow?
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Purslow is apparently the "snake".. or maybe it was actually benitez that was the snake and now that he has fucked off and we have a proper manager the club can go back to being run effectively and efficiently.
Its a good sign so far that signings are getting made quickly. For those who hate Purslow and love Benitez this must present a difficult dilemma. Is this a positive reflection on Hodgson (and therefore a negative one on Benitez) or a positive reflection on Purslow?
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Purslow is apparently the "snake".. or maybe it was actually benitez that was the snake and now that he has fucked off and we have a proper manager the club can go back to being run effectively and efficiently.
It's nice getting things wrapped up quickly, isn't it?
Rather than the usual rigmarole of rumours and smokescreens, only to find out on the last day of the window that we're buying Jermaine Pennant.
I don't know what's brought about this change, and to be perfectly honest when things are happening with a relative lack of fuss - I'm not sure I really care.
More signings please!
Rather than the usual rigmarole of rumours and smokescreens, only to find out on the last day of the window that we're buying Jermaine Pennant.
I don't know what's brought about this change, and to be perfectly honest when things are happening with a relative lack of fuss - I'm not sure I really care.
More signings please!
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41062.msg1139175#msg1139175 date=1279643632]
...signing Premiership proven players and British based youngsters...
Next up - playing players in their natural positions, marking from setpieces properly and a settled side.
Aces.
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They say that the simpler things are the better they work. The new management team are off to a positive start but something tells me we should wait to win some football matches before we hail this as a new era. Just my natural caution, I guess!
...signing Premiership proven players and British based youngsters...
Next up - playing players in their natural positions, marking from setpieces properly and a settled side.
Aces.
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They say that the simpler things are the better they work. The new management team are off to a positive start but something tells me we should wait to win some football matches before we hail this as a new era. Just my natural caution, I guess!
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=41062.msg1139499#msg1139499 date=1279696120]
It's nice getting things wrapped up quickly, isn't it?
Rather than the usual rigmarole of rumours and smokescreens, only to find out on the last day of the window that we're buying Jermaine Pennant.
I don't know what's brought about this change, and to be perfectly honest when things are happening with a relative lack of fuss - I'm not sure I really care.
More signings please!
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I wont go shouting this about until the Mascherano saga is wrapped up.
Should he leave on 31st August without time for us to get a replacement, all the good work done so far this window will be pointless.
I'm hoping that as our top brass are now primarily businessmen they will release the importance of dates in that regard & force Javier one way or the other soon.
They cant be any worse than Parry in that regard, surely?!
On a side note, how badly did Parry get things wrong towards the end?! We're now making a HUGE amount on merchandise & sponsorship revenue compared & rival any club in the world.
Should that have happened during Moores tenure he may have taken the gamble to build the stadium himself...
*sighs*
It's nice getting things wrapped up quickly, isn't it?
Rather than the usual rigmarole of rumours and smokescreens, only to find out on the last day of the window that we're buying Jermaine Pennant.
I don't know what's brought about this change, and to be perfectly honest when things are happening with a relative lack of fuss - I'm not sure I really care.
More signings please!
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I wont go shouting this about until the Mascherano saga is wrapped up.
Should he leave on 31st August without time for us to get a replacement, all the good work done so far this window will be pointless.
I'm hoping that as our top brass are now primarily businessmen they will release the importance of dates in that regard & force Javier one way or the other soon.
They cant be any worse than Parry in that regard, surely?!
On a side note, how badly did Parry get things wrong towards the end?! We're now making a HUGE amount on merchandise & sponsorship revenue compared & rival any club in the world.
Should that have happened during Moores tenure he may have taken the gamble to build the stadium himself...
*sighs*
Obviously if the British players being added to the squad weren't any good, or weren't good prospects then there wouldn't be anything to get excited about, but given this quotas business, and the excess of foreign players that haven't lived up to their alleged potential for us I think we have to be pleased that we're in the market for decent British players/prospects.
It doesn't guarantee anything, and we will do well to buy some more decent foreign players in the future, but these additions seem wise.
I also hope we play players largely in the correct positions and mark people properly from set pieces in the future
It doesn't guarantee anything, and we will do well to buy some more decent foreign players in the future, but these additions seem wise.
I also hope we play players largely in the correct positions and mark people properly from set pieces in the future
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41062.msg1139514#msg1139514 date=1279697395]
The story regards Rafa not being able to buy from us for three months (from his departure) is a real worry, because I can't see anyone else going in for Masher. I hope the board haven't shot themselves in the foot over this one.
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I doubt that Mark, if Mascher wants to engineer a move, he will, but it puts us in a stronger position.
Macher has as yet not said anything to anyone about going or staying, and Roy has said that the inability to contact him is not an issue as far as he is concerned, it would be naive of me to say that I am not concerned, but if we have a fully functioning Mascher next season I will be happy.
regards
The story regards Rafa not being able to buy from us for three months (from his departure) is a real worry, because I can't see anyone else going in for Masher. I hope the board haven't shot themselves in the foot over this one.
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I doubt that Mark, if Mascher wants to engineer a move, he will, but it puts us in a stronger position.
Macher has as yet not said anything to anyone about going or staying, and Roy has said that the inability to contact him is not an issue as far as he is concerned, it would be naive of me to say that I am not concerned, but if we have a fully functioning Mascher next season I will be happy.
regards
Shelvey seems to have been given #53. I know it doesn't really matter, but it's not really a sign that he'll feature massively this season is it?
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41062.msg1139654#msg1139654 date=1279705865]
Shelvey seems to have been given #53. I know it doesn't really matter, but it's not really a sign that he'll feature massively this season is it?
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53 really? Squad numbers should not cross 30...thats just stupid.
Shelvey seems to have been given #53. I know it doesn't really matter, but it's not really a sign that he'll feature massively this season is it?
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53 really? Squad numbers should not cross 30...thats just stupid.
I'm getting quite fucking irritated with all this revisionist back-slapping about how good old w0y will get so many simple things right, which bad old Benitez would have stupidly over-complicated or fucked up
Let's not forget which one of the two is the better, more successful manager
Let's not forget which one of the two is the better, more successful manager
Keep the revisionist backslapping going lads.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41062.msg1140026#msg1140026 date=1279732220]
I'm getting quite fucking irritated with all this revisionist back-slapping about how good old Roy will get so many simple things right, which bad old Benitez would have stupidly over-complicated or fucked up
Let's not forget which one of the two is the better, more successful manager
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Let's wait and compare both of their records on an even playing field - that is as manager of Liverpool - before we start making any concrete judgements as to who is or was better for us.
Rafa, for all of his successes and strong points, had a great capacity for frustrating the fuck out of you through his myopic inability to do the simple obvious things, and did stupidly over-complicate and fuck things up on many an occasion.
Judged on what's been happening so far, and not on past records or preconceived notions, Roy, Purslow, or whoever it is that's making things happen is . . . well, making things happen.
If people being happy about that is the most you've got to be irritated about, long may it continue!
I'm getting quite fucking irritated with all this revisionist back-slapping about how good old Roy will get so many simple things right, which bad old Benitez would have stupidly over-complicated or fucked up
Let's not forget which one of the two is the better, more successful manager
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Let's wait and compare both of their records on an even playing field - that is as manager of Liverpool - before we start making any concrete judgements as to who is or was better for us.
Rafa, for all of his successes and strong points, had a great capacity for frustrating the fuck out of you through his myopic inability to do the simple obvious things, and did stupidly over-complicate and fuck things up on many an occasion.
Judged on what's been happening so far, and not on past records or preconceived notions, Roy, Purslow, or whoever it is that's making things happen is . . . well, making things happen.
If people being happy about that is the most you've got to be irritated about, long may it continue!
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41062.msg1139578#msg1139578 date=1279700708]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41062.msg1139514#msg1139514 date=1279697395]
The story regards Rafa not being able to buy from us for three months (from his departure) is a real worry, because I can't see anyone else going in for Masher. I hope the board haven't shot themselves in the foot over this one.
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I doubt that Mark, if Mascher wants to engineer a move, he will, but it puts us in a stronger position.
Macher has as yet not said anything to anyone about going or staying, and Roy has said that the inability to contact him is not an issue as far as he is concerned, it would be naive of me to say that I am not concerned, but if we have a fully functioning Mascher next season I will be happy.
regards
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I'm not sure Mascherano can engineer a move anywhere at the moment. The money we'll be looking for means there are a handful of clubs in the world of football that could be in play.
City - Could afford him, but haven't got a need for another DM at the moment
Chelsea - Seem to be cutting back wages and spending. Unlikely.
Arsenal - Have room to add a big salary, don't know if they've got the transfer funds or whether Wenger would be interested.
United - no money to add Mascherano without significant sales.
Barcelona - known to be interested but seem to be in a precarious financial position and seem to have a preference for Fabregas.
Real Madrid - No known interest, could presumably find the finance for it if they wanted him. No urgent need for him though.
Inter Milan - Rafa wants him, his technical director seems ambivalent. Need to sell to finance the deal though, hence the possibility of Balotelli leaving.
Unless Inter come back with a big bid I don't see market for Mascherano at the moment so we might be best to keep him.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41062.msg1139514#msg1139514 date=1279697395]
The story regards Rafa not being able to buy from us for three months (from his departure) is a real worry, because I can't see anyone else going in for Masher. I hope the board haven't shot themselves in the foot over this one.
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I doubt that Mark, if Mascher wants to engineer a move, he will, but it puts us in a stronger position.
Macher has as yet not said anything to anyone about going or staying, and Roy has said that the inability to contact him is not an issue as far as he is concerned, it would be naive of me to say that I am not concerned, but if we have a fully functioning Mascher next season I will be happy.
regards
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I'm not sure Mascherano can engineer a move anywhere at the moment. The money we'll be looking for means there are a handful of clubs in the world of football that could be in play.
City - Could afford him, but haven't got a need for another DM at the moment
Chelsea - Seem to be cutting back wages and spending. Unlikely.
Arsenal - Have room to add a big salary, don't know if they've got the transfer funds or whether Wenger would be interested.
United - no money to add Mascherano without significant sales.
Barcelona - known to be interested but seem to be in a precarious financial position and seem to have a preference for Fabregas.
Real Madrid - No known interest, could presumably find the finance for it if they wanted him. No urgent need for him though.
Inter Milan - Rafa wants him, his technical director seems ambivalent. Need to sell to finance the deal though, hence the possibility of Balotelli leaving.
Unless Inter come back with a big bid I don't see market for Mascherano at the moment so we might be best to keep him.
Oh right, I thought for a minute that some people were old uncle w.oy was a better and more successful manager than Benitez!
My mistake!
My mistake!
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41062.msg1140068#msg1140068 date=1279736049]
Oh right, I thought for a minute that some people were old uncle Roy was a better and more successful manager than Benitez!
My mistake!
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Has *anybody* tried to claim that?
Most people are just saying "Let's see what he does before we tear into him".
Based on what we've seen so far, he's made the right moves and made the right noises. Time (and results) will tell the true story, but is it too much to allow people a little happiness and optimism?
Oh right, I thought for a minute that some people were old uncle Roy was a better and more successful manager than Benitez!
My mistake!
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Has *anybody* tried to claim that?
Most people are just saying "Let's see what he does before we tear into him".
Based on what we've seen so far, he's made the right moves and made the right noises. Time (and results) will tell the true story, but is it too much to allow people a little happiness and optimism?
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=41062.msg1140071#msg1140071 date=1279736200]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41062.msg1140068#msg1140068 date=1279736049]
Oh right, I thought for a minute that some people were old uncle Roy was a better and more successful manager than Benitez!
My mistake!
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Has *anybody* tried to claim that?
Most people are just saying "Let's see what he does before we tear into him".
Based on what we've seen so far, he's made the right moves and made the right noises. Time (and results) will tell the true story, but is it too much to allow people a little happiness and optimism?
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Well yeah, he's doing the basics, the stuff the fans could see, that's all I was saying, I wasn't going for a dissection of their individual records.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41062.msg1140068#msg1140068 date=1279736049]
Oh right, I thought for a minute that some people were old uncle Roy was a better and more successful manager than Benitez!
My mistake!
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Has *anybody* tried to claim that?
Most people are just saying "Let's see what he does before we tear into him".
Based on what we've seen so far, he's made the right moves and made the right noises. Time (and results) will tell the true story, but is it too much to allow people a little happiness and optimism?
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Well yeah, he's doing the basics, the stuff the fans could see, that's all I was saying, I wasn't going for a dissection of their individual records.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41062.msg1140026#msg1140026 date=1279732220]
I'm getting quite fucking irritated with all this revisionist back-slapping about how good old Roy will get so many simple things right, which bad old Benitez would have stupidly over-complicated or fucked up
Let's not forget which one of the two is the better, more successful manager
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You are irritated that Roy is shipping out Insua and is inviting offers for Ngog? Two of your most hated players.
He is doing right by the club and has not put one foot wrong so far. If Rafa was the world class manager you build him up to be he wouldn't have been sacked, would he?
I'm getting quite fucking irritated with all this revisionist back-slapping about how good old Roy will get so many simple things right, which bad old Benitez would have stupidly over-complicated or fucked up
Let's not forget which one of the two is the better, more successful manager
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You are irritated that Roy is shipping out Insua and is inviting offers for Ngog? Two of your most hated players.
He is doing right by the club and has not put one foot wrong so far. If Rafa was the world class manager you build him up to be he wouldn't have been sacked, would he?
Brendan has a point and if we're in the spirit of "waiting and seeing", surely this thread is premature in the extreme. I find this whole idea of going back to British and keeping things simple - whatever that means - pretty irritating as well and have already said so.
Things were pretty dreadful towards the end under Rafa and some of the things he did (or didn't do) annoyed me as much as anyone, but let's not start acting as though we had some useless Johnny Foreigner in who fucked us over with his peculiar continental ways.
We signed some good players under Rafa as well and in the last couple years he stuck to a very well used formation with familiar players in familiar positions (is that not keeping things simple?) whenever possible.
So far Hodgson has signed one player for the first team (and it's questionable as to whether that can be credited to him at this point) and has done nothing on the pitch that we, the fans, can point to and say yeah, job well done.
I'm optimistic for the future and am enjoying being able to talk about something other than doom and gloom and finances, but just saying...
Things were pretty dreadful towards the end under Rafa and some of the things he did (or didn't do) annoyed me as much as anyone, but let's not start acting as though we had some useless Johnny Foreigner in who fucked us over with his peculiar continental ways.
We signed some good players under Rafa as well and in the last couple years he stuck to a very well used formation with familiar players in familiar positions (is that not keeping things simple?) whenever possible.
So far Hodgson has signed one player for the first team (and it's questionable as to whether that can be credited to him at this point) and has done nothing on the pitch that we, the fans, can point to and say yeah, job well done.
I'm optimistic for the future and am enjoying being able to talk about something other than doom and gloom and finances, but just saying...
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41062.msg1140117#msg1140117 date=1279741373]
Brendan has a point and if we're in the spirit of "waiting and seeing", surely this thread is premature in the extreme. I find this whole idea of going back to British and keeping things simple - whatever that means - pretty irritating as well and have already said so.
Things were pretty dreadful towards the end under Rafa and some of the things he did (or didn't do) annoyed me as much as anyone, but let's not start acting as though we had some useless Johnny Foreigner in who fucked us over with his peculiar continental ways.
We signed some good players under Rafa as well and in the last couple years he stuck to a very well used formation with familiar players in familiar positions (is that not keeping things simple?) whenever possible.
So far Hodgson has signed one player for the first team (and it's questionable as to whether that can be credited to him at this point) and has done nothing on the pitch that we, the fans, can point to and say yeah, job well done.
I'm optimistic for the future and am enjoying being able to talk about something other than doom and gloom and finances, but just saying...
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Heh, this thread wasn't alluding to any kind of English perfection, I just think it's refreshing after a decade of continental influence. It wasn't a thread to suggest Roy has conquered, given we've barely kicked a ball, just to say well done so far.
Brendan does have a point, it does take time to form a fair judgement, which is why it was so irritating listening to him bang on for the past few weeks about how Roy will fail, how he's a yes man, how we'll lose our best players, etc. I find it all a bit rich that he's now the one telling us we're jumping the gun and we should be taking a step back and waiting to see what happens.
Brendan has a point and if we're in the spirit of "waiting and seeing", surely this thread is premature in the extreme. I find this whole idea of going back to British and keeping things simple - whatever that means - pretty irritating as well and have already said so.
Things were pretty dreadful towards the end under Rafa and some of the things he did (or didn't do) annoyed me as much as anyone, but let's not start acting as though we had some useless Johnny Foreigner in who fucked us over with his peculiar continental ways.
We signed some good players under Rafa as well and in the last couple years he stuck to a very well used formation with familiar players in familiar positions (is that not keeping things simple?) whenever possible.
So far Hodgson has signed one player for the first team (and it's questionable as to whether that can be credited to him at this point) and has done nothing on the pitch that we, the fans, can point to and say yeah, job well done.
I'm optimistic for the future and am enjoying being able to talk about something other than doom and gloom and finances, but just saying...
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Heh, this thread wasn't alluding to any kind of English perfection, I just think it's refreshing after a decade of continental influence. It wasn't a thread to suggest Roy has conquered, given we've barely kicked a ball, just to say well done so far.
Brendan does have a point, it does take time to form a fair judgement, which is why it was so irritating listening to him bang on for the past few weeks about how Roy will fail, how he's a yes man, how we'll lose our best players, etc. I find it all a bit rich that he's now the one telling us we're jumping the gun and we should be taking a step back and waiting to see what happens.
Keni in 'yeah, he's probably right again' SHOCKA
I loved the way Roy dealt with the Joe Cole signing.
He kept his mouth shut about it and made no promises to the fans.
He certainly aint the messiah but he is bringing back the old fashioned approach to the club.
He kept his mouth shut about it and made no promises to the fans.
He certainly aint the messiah but he is bringing back the old fashioned approach to the club.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41062.msg1140117#msg1140117 date=1279741373]
Brendan has a point and if we're in the spirit of "waiting and seeing", surely this thread is premature in the extreme. I find this whole idea of going back to British and keeping things simple - whatever that means - pretty irritating as well and have already said so.
Things were pretty dreadful towards the end under Rafa and some of the things he did (or didn't do) annoyed me as much as anyone, but let's not start acting as though we had some useless Johnny Foreigner in who fucked us over with his peculiar continental ways.
We signed some good players under Rafa as well and in the last couple years he stuck to a very well used formation with familiar players in familiar positions (is that not keeping things simple?) whenever possible.
So far Hodgson has signed one player for the first team (and it's questionable as to whether that can be credited to him at this point) and has done nothing on the pitch that we, the fans, can point to and say yeah, job well done.
I'm optimistic for the future and am enjoying being able to talk about something other than doom and gloom and finances, but just saying...
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Benayoun might question the familiar players in familiar positions bit however having been played out of position by Benitez for the duration of his Liverpool career I suppose it did become somewhat familiar to him. Hopefully the new manager will find a set up that suits the players available to him to avoid the world's finest striker being utilised as a battering ram up against a back four with no support nearby.
Brendan has a point and if we're in the spirit of "waiting and seeing", surely this thread is premature in the extreme. I find this whole idea of going back to British and keeping things simple - whatever that means - pretty irritating as well and have already said so.
Things were pretty dreadful towards the end under Rafa and some of the things he did (or didn't do) annoyed me as much as anyone, but let's not start acting as though we had some useless Johnny Foreigner in who fucked us over with his peculiar continental ways.
We signed some good players under Rafa as well and in the last couple years he stuck to a very well used formation with familiar players in familiar positions (is that not keeping things simple?) whenever possible.
So far Hodgson has signed one player for the first team (and it's questionable as to whether that can be credited to him at this point) and has done nothing on the pitch that we, the fans, can point to and say yeah, job well done.
I'm optimistic for the future and am enjoying being able to talk about something other than doom and gloom and finances, but just saying...
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Benayoun might question the familiar players in familiar positions bit however having been played out of position by Benitez for the duration of his Liverpool career I suppose it did become somewhat familiar to him. Hopefully the new manager will find a set up that suits the players available to him to avoid the world's finest striker being utilised as a battering ram up against a back four with no support nearby.
No arguments from me with regards to Yossi. The way he was managed last season was criminal, particularly given his good start to the season. However we were very short on the left given injuries and the rather bizarre Riera situation. I would've shifted things about and perhaps even played Dirk there, but the choice was basically Babel or a player out of position. Complaints would've followed no matter what.
Anyways, Rafa's downfall ultimately came from his failings in the transfer market more than anything else. Hodgsons and Purslows biggest challenge right now is to patch up the squad as best they can with the finances available. It's a lot easier to let the players go out and play if you've got the right ones to pick from (stating the obvious here, I know).
Anyways, Rafa's downfall ultimately came from his failings in the transfer market more than anything else. Hodgsons and Purslows biggest challenge right now is to patch up the squad as best they can with the finances available. It's a lot easier to let the players go out and play if you've got the right ones to pick from (stating the obvious here, I know).
That's all very well, but Keni is right
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