Hodgson: I'll never quit Liverpool
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I'm not saying he was shite. He wasn't. His mistakes in his last season have helped to compound our current predicament, though, that's all I'm saying. He's a million times better than Roy, but he still wasn't good enough. Neither are.
He got us our best points tally since we last won the League.
He got us to 2 European Cup finals, Fergie took United to two in 19 years, Wenger can't do it, and Mauereen got sacked by Chelsea because HE couldn't do it.
Good enough for what exactly?
Who do you think could do better?
He got us to 2 European Cup finals, Fergie took United to two in 19 years, Wenger can't do it, and Mauereen got sacked by Chelsea because HE couldn't do it.
Good enough for what exactly?
Who do you think could do better?
The clue's at the end of your first sentence, mate. I defended Rafa longer than most, but even I was ultimately forced to accept that he was never going to bring the big one home.
Come on, he's not the Messiah. With all due respect, I get that you're a Rafa apologist, so I doubt we're going to see eye to eye anyway. But we were playing some torrid stuff under him towards the end, not far off this at the moment. In fact all through his reign we showed spells of shite. His track record of signing players was very hit and miss, especially when he was given more responsibility in that regard, and we're paying for it.
You may point to Ferguson, or Mourinho's track record with signing players, but let's be honest, they have more scope and leeway when it comes to getting signings wrong. We don't. When we spend near £70m on 4 players (Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Dossena) we best make damn sure they're worth it otherwise we're going to pay. It seems Rafa failed to do much homework on 3 of those, odd considering how meticulous he is, with reports he hadn't even seen Dossena play! That's unforgivable.
Masterful tactician when it came to tough opposition at times, tended to overcomplicate things against the lesser teams. He never showed signs of ironing this out over his 6 years. Even when we finished second we were still drawing at home to the likes of Hull.
I'd have him everyday over Hodgson, but neither are going to get us where we really want to be and that's winning the league again. I've never experienced us winning the league, I'd love to know what it was like.
With regards to who we could have, then I don't know. Thankfully I'm not on the board. I understand they could be considering Deschamps and he looks good on paper so I'll say him as he fits in with this supposed NESV model. Mourinho's a pipe dream obviously, but he could turn us around in an ideal world.
You may point to Ferguson, or Mourinho's track record with signing players, but let's be honest, they have more scope and leeway when it comes to getting signings wrong. We don't. When we spend near £70m on 4 players (Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Dossena) we best make damn sure they're worth it otherwise we're going to pay. It seems Rafa failed to do much homework on 3 of those, odd considering how meticulous he is, with reports he hadn't even seen Dossena play! That's unforgivable.
Masterful tactician when it came to tough opposition at times, tended to overcomplicate things against the lesser teams. He never showed signs of ironing this out over his 6 years. Even when we finished second we were still drawing at home to the likes of Hull.
I'd have him everyday over Hodgson, but neither are going to get us where we really want to be and that's winning the league again. I've never experienced us winning the league, I'd love to know what it was like.
With regards to who we could have, then I don't know. Thankfully I'm not on the board. I understand they could be considering Deschamps and he looks good on paper so I'll say him as he fits in with this supposed NESV model. Mourinho's a pipe dream obviously, but he could turn us around in an ideal world.
JJ saying succinctly in one sentence what I tried to in a whole essay. Bugger.
I still defend him, Sky had a fucking Agenda against him, the tinkerer, the zonal marking, the subs, the outbursts.
They never ever said about his defensive record, or Pepe's golden gloves, or gave him Credit for 2 Europeean finals in 3 years, Fergie took 19 Chelsea can't do it, and Arsenal can't either.
Even our own fans still diss him, its fucking scandelous.
He's gone but all you hear was 'he left a shit Squad', but he was prepared to do another season with that squad and a couple of signings.
Anyway Happy New Year all us reds, it CAN'T be as bad as 2010.
They never ever said about his defensive record, or Pepe's golden gloves, or gave him Credit for 2 Europeean finals in 3 years, Fergie took 19 Chelsea can't do it, and Arsenal can't either.
Even our own fans still diss him, its fucking scandelous.
He's gone but all you hear was 'he left a shit Squad', but he was prepared to do another season with that squad and a couple of signings.
Anyway Happy New Year all us reds, it CAN'T be as bad as 2010.
Happy new year my friends. 🙂
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I still defend him, Sky had a fucking Agenda against him, the tinkerer, the zonal marking, the subs, the outbursts.
They never ever said about his defensive record, or Pepe's golden gloves, or gave him Credit for 2 Europeean finals in 3 years, Fergie took 19 Chelsea can't do it, and Arsenal can't either.
Even our own fans still diss him, its fucking scandelous.
He's gone but all you hear was 'he left a shit Squad', but he was prepared to do another season with that squad and a couple of signings.
Anyway Happy New Year all us reds, it CAN'T be as bad as 2010.
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Oh no, I agree definitely. Sky fucking hate him. Ferguson hated him. I assume it could be to do with the fact that they both saw him as a threat. No wonder everybody loves Hodgson. I'm not really one for this Sky conspiracy theory but I have to say they definitely had something against Rafa.
He's a good man, a good manager, but he tended to polarise opinion. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. He's left some good players, great ones, and this team should be nowhere near the bottom of the league. But nor does it have any right to be at the top. I think that's down to the players Rafa has let go and brought in, and more recently the players Roy has brought in.
I still defend him, Sky had a fucking Agenda against him, the tinkerer, the zonal marking, the subs, the outbursts.
They never ever said about his defensive record, or Pepe's golden gloves, or gave him Credit for 2 Europeean finals in 3 years, Fergie took 19 Chelsea can't do it, and Arsenal can't either.
Even our own fans still diss him, its fucking scandelous.
He's gone but all you hear was 'he left a shit Squad', but he was prepared to do another season with that squad and a couple of signings.
Anyway Happy New Year all us reds, it CAN'T be as bad as 2010.
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Oh no, I agree definitely. Sky fucking hate him. Ferguson hated him. I assume it could be to do with the fact that they both saw him as a threat. No wonder everybody loves Hodgson. I'm not really one for this Sky conspiracy theory but I have to say they definitely had something against Rafa.
He's a good man, a good manager, but he tended to polarise opinion. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. He's left some good players, great ones, and this team should be nowhere near the bottom of the league. But nor does it have any right to be at the top. I think that's down to the players Rafa has let go and brought in, and more recently the players Roy has brought in.
Oh and Happy New Year Asbo and everyone else. 😀
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Happy new year my friends. 🙂
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Same to you, to Asbo, to all of us and to all Reds everywhere. Bring on 2011, which WILL be loads better. We are Liverpool.
YNWA
Happy new year my friends. 🙂
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Same to you, to Asbo, to all of us and to all Reds everywhere. Bring on 2011, which WILL be loads better. We are Liverpool.
YNWA
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43354.msg1240630#msg1240630 date=1293830699]
Happy new year my friends. 🙂
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Same to you, to Asbo, to all of us and to all Reds everywhere. Bring on 2011, which WILL be loads better. We are Liverpool.
YNWA
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Youll never walk alone....
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43354.msg1240630#msg1240630 date=1293830699]
Happy new year my friends. 🙂
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Same to you, to Asbo, to all of us and to all Reds everywhere. Bring on 2011, which WILL be loads better. We are Liverpool.
YNWA
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Youll never walk alone....
[quote author=localny link=topic=43354.msg1240643#msg1240643 date=1293831937]
reading this makes me want rafa back as caretaker...
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I take it you didn't read anything I, or JJ, posted then?
reading this makes me want rafa back as caretaker...
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I take it you didn't read anything I, or JJ, posted then?
[quote author=localny link=topic=43354.msg1240643#msg1240643 date=1293831937]
reading this makes me want rafa back as caretaker...
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Liquor will make you want lots of things 😉
reading this makes me want rafa back as caretaker...
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Liquor will make you want lots of things 😉
Now I know what the thread title says, but if we lose today do you reckon he'll walk?
Almost certainly not. I take the points which have been made elsewhere about his motivation being more than just money, but that will still loom large in his thoughts IMO, especially if it's all that's left. If nothing else, his agent will see to that.
Here's hoping he isn't given the choice.
Here's hoping he isn't given the choice.
Glad someone Liverpool related is happy.
Half-full of strychnine, hopefully
I wonder what he'd say if he actually won a really important game like the CL Cup Final or something.
Probably something like "squelch", as he'd be a pool of jelly on the floor.
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