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Hillsborough: Searching For The Truth

Has the poor woman not suffered enough. Very sad news.

LFC Transfer Spec@LFCTS
Heartbreaking and absolutely devastated to hear Anne Williams will be fighting cancer. A truly wonderful and inspirational woman.
 
Has the poor woman not suffered enough. Very sad news.

LFC Transfer Spec@LFCTS
Heartbreaking and absolutely devastated to hear Anne Williams will be fighting cancer. A truly wonderful and inspirational woman.

Fucking hell.

Poor woman. I just hope she has it in her to fight it like she has her fight for her son's justice, if so she'll stand a chance of beating it & seeing that justice lived out.

I truly hope so.
 
And they say stress and cancer go hand in hand.

96 tangible victims. Many many more intangible victims.
 
Absolutely tragic.

Hope she can overcome this, like she's been overcoming problems for years
 
Anne Williams@annewilliams96
Thank you all for ur words of support, I am very sick and have a lot to do, we have joined HJC in our fight for justice.

I hope I will still be here to attend a new inquest into Kevin's death, what I have fought for for 23 years, justice for the 96
 
Just a quick question. And im deadly serious here.

Is there a Mr Williams? Or a Mr Aspinall? Or a Mr Coleman? Apart from Trevor Hicks, all of the main frontrunners for the familes are the Mothers. Where are the fathers? Does this prove a Mothers love is stronger than a fathers?

Anyone any thoughts on this?
 
Does it bollocks. Some Dads live for their kids, some were merely sperm doners. Likewise, some mothers are fantastic while others barely deserve the title. Loving one's children is not determined by one's gender.
 
Does it bollocks. Some Dads live for their kids, some were merely sperm doners. Likewise, some mothers are fantastic while others barely deserve the title. Loving one's children is not determined by one's gender.

I don't think he meant to denigrate the fathers role mate. Just an honest question, but I understand the reason behind what looks like a spiky reply.
 
It was a very honest question and I'm hopeful you can see my reasoning.

I'm totally open on the matter. Was just something that crossed my mind. No offence to anyone intended.
 
It was a very honest question and I'm hopeful you can see my reasoning.

I'm totally open on the matter. Was just something that crossed my mind. No offence to anyone intended.
No offence taken - Although it's a pretty loaded question. What are you trying to imply exactly? Because from where I stand it sounds like your saying that most fathers don't give a shit (apart from Trevor Hicks)
 
I actually think Peter is trying to ask in this particular case, why we don't see fathers speaking on behalf of Hillsborough victims.

Tbh I think it's a complex issue.

Firstly, the media prefers women speaking, rightly or wrongly, when there is a victim, it garners more sympathy.

Secondly, men react more aggressively, hence why women usually speak in kidnapping etc cases ahead of men.

Thirdly, men are usually less emotionally strong over long periods of time, they prefer to 'get on with things' to deal with emotion & not keep fighting.

Fourthly, I'm sure there are many couples behind the scenes but as they have each other to lean on they will have been less involved on the 'front line'.

All of these are debatable but I think there's at least some truth in each & goes a long way to explaining the question.
 
Jon put it better than I could have. That's exactly what I meant and didn't mean to sour the thread.

Apologies.
 
Valid question though brother. Even in other tragedies, it is always the mother with the loudest voice and never lets it go. Fathers do seem to take a back seat, or even disappear off the scene. I guess that a woman scorned.......... Etc.
 
I disagree, but will not persue it any longer - It's not what this thread is about, and I do 'get' the intent behind the question. Suffice to say, mothers do NOT love their children any more than fathers do just because they're mothers. There's plenty of factors at play in this matter, I'm sure.
 
I disagree, but will not persue it any longer - It's not what this thread is about, and I do 'get' the intent behind the question. Suffice to say, mothers do NOT love their children any more than fathers do just because they're mothers. There's plenty of factors at play in this matter, I'm sure.
And I'm sure you're right, the question was merely a curious glance towards the fathers/husbands
 
I'm happy for the question and all comments to be wiped, was just something I was wondering. I don't have kids, It was merely an innocent question.
 
I'm happy for the question and all comments to be wiped, was just something I was wondering. I don't have kids, It was merely an innocent question.
Looking back I think my reply was a bit spiky as well (as spion put it). I think I just misunderstood. Anyway no worries Piedro 🙂
 
Hillsborough police accused of sexually harassing survivor
Young woman pestered by officer according to fresh allegations into the conduct of the authorities following the tragedy
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Protesters in London demand justice for the 96 victims of the Hillsborough tragedy in 2009. Photograph: Anthony Devlin/PA
Police officers sexually harassed a vulnerable Hillsborough survivor and threatened others with criminal charges if they did not alter statements, according to fresh allegations into the conduct of the authorities following the tragedy.
One officer pestered a young woman for sex only weeks after the disaster, while other witnesses were reportedly threatened with jail if they did not change accounts that portrayed the police in a negative light.
Speaking publicly for the first time, Diane Lynn, 45, has described how a West Midlands officer grabbed her and repeatedly asked her to come back to his hotel for sex following an official witness interview a few weeks after the disaster that killed 96 people in April 1989.
Lynn, then a 22-year-old student nurse who was suffering from severe shock after witnessing the fatal crush, said she had not come forward previously because she thought no one would believe her. However, the recent findings of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which exposed the extent of the police cover-up, had persuaded her that her account would be taken seriously.
In May 1989, plainclothes West Midlands officers, appointed to investigate the role of the South Yorkshire force at Hillsborough, interviewed Lynn and her brother as they collected statements from supporters present at the FA Cup semi-final. She said: "Afterwards they said, 'Do you want to show us around Liverpool?', and I said, 'No problem at all'. I thought it was a friendly thing to do, I love my city."
Although still traumatised, Lynn hoped that going out might assist a return to normality. "The officer was 40-odd, I was 22 – that was why I felt safe; plus I don't get drunk ever," she said.
However, later when she was showing the officer where to catch a taxi, his mood changed. Lynn said: "He started putting his arm around me, saying, 'Come back to my hotel, come back.' I knew he had a wife because he had mentioned it earlier in the conversation, but he said, 'My wife will never know.' I felt very uncomfortable, extremely uncomfortable, I just had to get out and ran. He wasn't happy."
Lynn, now married and a nurse living in Liverpool, said: "I was still in shock at the time, I was in a very bad place. Everything was not right. It wasn't until December [that year] that I realised I had post-traumatic stress. I still cry about it a lot, the way people were treated.
"I felt no one was listening to us, I never told anyone about it because people just think you've led them on, it's not what I'm like. In those days no one was going to believe you against the police."
At the time the police cover-up was under way, with recently disclosed evidence indicating that West Midlands police were part of a broader plot to blame the supporters and disguise the failings of the South Yorkshire force. Meanwhile, further fresh allegations reveal that West Midlands officers threatened survivors with criminal charges if they refused to retract statements that criticised police.
Chartered accountant Nick Braley, 43, said: "[The lead investigating officer] told me he would be checking if I had a criminal record and that I would be charged with wasting police time."
During his interview Braley, then a 19-year-old student at Sheffield City Polytechnic, refused to agree he had seen Liverpool fans breaking into the ground. He told West Midlands officers that police were helping push fans over the fence to alleviate a crush outside the stadium.
Braley said: "He spent a long time contesting my assertion that I had not witnessed 'unauthorised entry'. Later he wrote 'witnessed unauthorised entry' on my statement without my consent – that was absolutely not what I said."
In addition, Braley says his official police statement also omits several of his key assertions, including how police pushed fans back into the fatal crush and that the tenor of the interview was overtly political.
"The main interviewer decided early on in my interview that I was a "leftwing agitator who was out to get the police. He questioned if I was in the Socialist Workers' party or the Workers' Revolutionary party," he said.
The officer questioned whether Braley– an Ipswich fan who went to the match as a neutral with friends who were Liverpool supporters – was even at the game. "He disputed my attendance, saying my lack of injuries – bruised ribs and arm – were not enough given the greater injuries of other fans."
Since the Observer reported that survivors were bullied to change their statements as well as police, it has emerged that "significant" numbers of fans at Hillsborough have come forward to warn investigators that their witness statements were altered. Both the Independent Police Complaints Commission and the director of public prosecutions, Keir Starmer, are conducting inquiries into possible crimes committed by police.
Parliament heard last week that the IPCC has been given a preliminary list of names of 1,444 officers currently serving with South Yorkshire police, although officials admit the true figure is likely to be nearer 2,444
 
I hear there is a charity hillsborough song coming out for xmas number 1 slot folks.

Some rags saying its a cover of "he ain't heavy, he's my brother", sung by Robbie Williams, Mel C, old Paul Mac and Paloma Faith.

Trying to raise money for legal costs for families.

Good effort, I will be buying that one then.

PS If only one of those singers had a billion squid eh Mr Mac !!!
 
Now the bookies favourite for the coveted Christmas Number One spot, 'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother' features a stellar line-up of artists including Robbie Williams, Rebecca Ferguson, Paloma Faith, Eliza Doolittle, Beverley Knight, Melanie C, Andy Brown (Lawson), Holly Johnson (Frankie Goes to Hollywood), Mick Jones (The Clash), Peter Hooton (The Farm), (The Justice Tonight band), Chris Sharrock (Beady Eye), Glen Tilbrook (Squeeze), Ren Harvieu, Dave McCabe (The Zutons), Paul Heaton (Beautiful South), Hollie Cook, Jon McClure (Reverend & The Makers), John Power (Cast) and Gerry Marsden (Gerry and the Pacemakers), all giving their time for free to record the single and aiming to top the Christmas charts.

'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother' is produced by the Award-winning Guy Chambers, with all proceeds from single sales going towards the Hillsborough Families legal costs in their fight for justice.

Pre-order the single for mobile download at 11am on Thursday 22 November 2012 by texting Justice to 80010.
 
Who's singing what:

The road is long - ANDY LAWSON
With many a winding turn - ANDY LAWSON
That leads us to who knows where - GERRY MARSDEN
Who knows when - PAUL HEATON
But I'm strong - GLENN TILBROOK
Strong enough to carry him - GLENN TILBROOK
He ain't heavy, he's my brother - JOHN POWER/ROBBIE WILLIAMS

So on we go - JOHN POWER
His welfare is of my concern - MELANIE C
No burden is he to bear – ROBBIE WILLIAMS
We'll get there - ROBBIE/MELANIE C
For I know - REBECCA FERGUSON
He would not encumber me - HOLLY JOHNSON
He ain't heavy, he's my brother- HOLLY JOHNSON/REBECCA F
If I'm laden at all - BEVERLEY KNIGHT
I'm laden with sadness - BEVERLEY KNIGHT
That everyone's heart - PALOMA FAITH
Isn't filled with the gladness- PALOMA FAITH
Of love for one another – ELIZA DOOLITTLE

It's a long, long road - DAVE McCABE
From which there is no return - PETER HOOTON
While we're on the way to there – REN HARVIEU / JON McCLURE
Why not share- JON McCLURE / REN HARVIEU
And the load - DAVE McCABE
It doesn't weigh me down at all – MACCA
Coz he ain't heavy – MACCA
(He ain’t heavy) – SHANE MACGOWAN
He's my brother - SHANE MACGOWAN/ BEVERLEY K
He's my brother - ALL (most)
He ain't heavy, he's my brother … - ALL (most)
 
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