He was shite the first two times you commented on him.
Were you wrong or is he improving ?
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He was shite the first two times you commented on him.
Were you wrong or is he improving ?
Glen Johnson does the same and is lauded as one of best fullbacks around, despite his inability to defend.
England have the same problem now they have had for twenty years
The players are scared to fuck up so hide. Look at Macca for us, he would try all sorts of inventive ideas and mazy runs, put him in England shirt and he more than often passes backwards or sideways in fear of a cock up
Digger once said for Liverpool he would try to take on 4 players , get tackled by 4th player the crowd would appreciate effort so he would try again. For England the same thing would get a big sigh a shout of play it simple so he wouldn't bother trying again.
When an England player has the ball the others hide behind opposition and are scared to show for it when marked. You can't play passing triangles when nobody shows for it so we go long or backwards.
Willshere was supposed to fix this but he is getting worse.
The players are scared to fuck up so hide. Look at Macca for us, he would try all sorts of inventive ideas and mazy runs, put him in England shirt and he more than often passes backwards or sideways in fear of a cock up
Digger once said for Liverpool he would try to take on 4 players , get tackled by 4th player the crowd would appreciate effort so he would try again. For England the same thing would get a big sigh a shout of play it simple so he wouldn't bother trying again.
When an England player has the ball the others hide behind opposition and are scared to show for it when marked. You can't play passing triangles when nobody shows for it so we go long or backwards.
Willshere was supposed to fix this but he is getting worse.
Ha. I'll bite. Him having an end product is actually mush less important than him being a genuine outlet & giving defenders another body to worry about.
Were in not for his runs pulling defenders away we'd see less goals, without him being the ball out of defence so often & so effectively we'd concede more too.
If you watch our games with & without him this season & can't see how invaluable he is to this side then your simply blinded by prejudice based on a stereotype of the player, as opposed to the actuality.
In 3 England games Townsend has set up numerous chances, scored 1 and hit the post and bar twice.
I would have him any day over our wingers.
What annoys me is nothing is said about other fullbacks shit defending. Walker is a liability and cole lost the ball twice in his own half which they nearly scored from
Magic is England's best full back fact.
If he was Brazilian everyone would rave about him
If he played for some random Dutch side and you heard a a twitter rumour (😉) about about us signing him, you would be creaming your pants about the signing.....
How is that different than Townsend ?
I like how you bigged up the space Johnson creates, which is the only thing you can really point to given how few of his runs result in anything positive for us.
Johnson doesn't give the ball away every time he brings it out though, as literally no one takes the ball out of defence as regularly as him that means he's doing it better than anyone else.
It's different to townsend cos he's not a winger & the spurs lad is. I'm not even gonna spell out why cos I've bitten enough bait already.
Yeah don't bother trying to debate and maybe expand our thinking a bit.
Let's just blissfully think all of our players are great and we haven't won a shed load of trophies because Fergie controls the FA.
Johnson is decent at bringing the ball out, he is useless at crossing and when he attacks further up the pitch it rarely comes to anything.
He does give the ball away a bit - but I don't mind that for two reasons:
1. because I'm not fooled into thinking possession stats are meaningful.
2. He's usually trying something positive .
For me the question is does the end product warrant the defensive issues his play causes.
If it's a winger like Townsend, I'm fine with that pay off. I'm not so fine with it with Johnson.
His play doesn't create defensive issues. He makes some mistakes, but less than both Enrique & Cissokho (& the other rbs we have, young as they are) yet offers more going forwards.
We look much worse without him on the pitch defensively & offensively.
He's a proper athlete, he can cover 60 yards in an incredible time, that alone means he negates a lot of any threat the opposition have down their left hand side.
We look much worse without him on the pitch defensively & offensively.
He's a proper athlete, he can cover 60 yards in an incredible time, that alone means he negates a lot of any threat the opposition have down their left hand side.
I am sure that Germans like to win but the rivalry as such is mainly on the English side.
[article=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England%E2%80%93Germany_football_rivalry]The rivalry is considered to be solely an English phenomenon—in the run-up to any competition match between the two teams, many English newspapers will print articles detailing results of previous encounters, such as those in 1966 and 1990. Football fans in England often consider Germany to be their main sporting rivals and care more about this rivalry than those with other nations, such as Argentina or Scotland. Most German fans consider the Netherlands to be their traditional footballing rivals. [/article]
[article=http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9030331/England-v-Germany-Not-Even-A-Rivalry]When England take to the field at Wembley, the self-styled 'home of football', on Tuesday, it will be to resume our national team's greatest rivalry. Forget the Scots, because that's just local. Forget the French, because we just don't care enough. Forget the Irish, because that is more political than sporting. The Germans, that's who we want to beat the most. It's 1914-1918, you see. It's 1939-1945.
Except that it really isn't anymore, is it? Because this is football and that was war. As much as football is all-encompassing, absorbing and pretty f*cking fantastic, anyone that equates it to deaths on a battlefield, to the innocent and largely naïve fighting the innocent and largely naïve, needs their head checking.
What's more, no-one actually does think that anymore, do they? I would be very surprised if many (or any) fans were walking down Wembley Way with the mind-set of "Goodness, I hope we teach these 11 chaps a lesson for those two wars". Of course they're not.
What some rabid fans are now is a product of a jingoistic national tendency to focus nostalgically on past glory, and the two World Wars (in end result terms, rather than the unfathomably tragic loss of life) are seen as England's two greatest national achievements of the 20th century.
Given how entwined football is with our national psyche, it doesn't take much of a leap to suggest that the World Cup win in 1966 would be number three on such a list. Ignore the full discovery of DNA's importance, the impact of widely available vaccines or the NHS, just think football.
This 'rivalry' is then hardwired into us through continuous positive reinforcement through large swathes of the national media. For those that think I'm making them an easy target, just look here or here. Or here. Or here. You get my point, and yes that last one does have images of Michael Ballack and Adolf Hitler in the same story.
These are, thankfully, reducing over time, but taking a look at Twitter's dark underbelly (the search function) on Tuesday will only serve to demonstrate just how entrenched and pandemic such feelings have become.
The rather ironic problem given all this mouth-frothing and pant-wetting is that England v Germany (in football terms) is not a rivalry, merely one-sided antagonism. For something to reach rivalry status, both parties have to have similar desperation to end victorious. Of course, if Germany come up against England in the World Cup they will want to win desperately but, for them, it is the end result that is crucial, not the opponent.
The Germans just don't care enough about England to make it a rivalry. German football journalist Raphael Honigstein spells out the sad fact: "A lot of German people are not even aware there is an England v Germany rivalry." Instead they save their footballing hostility for the Dutch, an enmity based in both geographical and competitive animosity. Honigstein then hammers home the final nail - "A lot of German people would much rather see England win the World Cup than Italy or the Dutch or even Spain." That's far removed from the attitude of a rival.
Finally, there is the wonderful story of a German man living in London, questioned by a Sky News reporter about the 5-1 in Munich 2001 a few days before the World Cup match in 2010. "Yes," said the German. "I see the DVD is still selling in shops." That's almost sympathetic patronising. Ouch.
Such faux-rivalry is perennially established by the less-successful side at the time. That's why Fulham supporters see Chelsea as a big game whilst Chelsea care more about Tottenham and Arsenal. Or Bradford fans care about Huddersfield, who in turn care more about Leeds, who in turn care more about Manchester United. A rivalry food chain, if you will.
In such a food chain, we are evidently below Germany. 'Competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field,' is how the Oxford English Dictionary defines 'rivalry', and it is patently clear that England and Germany are operating in different spheres, despite their presence in the same tournaments. Realistic England supporters would see a quarter-final finish in Brazil as a fine achievement, whilst realistic Germans want to win the damned thing. Since 1966, Germany have been in 11 major tournament finals and five other semi-finals. England have been in two semi-finals, which they lost. To Germany.
"One World Cup and two World Wars," the mindless morons will sing. "Three World Cups, three European Championships and economic sustainability of which you could only currently dream," the German fans won't chant back. And why would they? After all, they've got the best teams in the world to worry about.
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Thats not what I said. I
Err didn't I say we are well off most of the teams in the tournement technically and tactically? Try reading all of the post softlad.
Err didn't I say we are well off most of the teams in the tournement technically and tactically? Try reading all of the post softlad.
The way he always cuts in and shoots reminds me of Ryan Babel.
To be honest, I feel sorry for Roy as well. You can't polish a turd.
He's trying players and formations and getting booed off as a result. England fans deserve what they get.
I can't feel sorry for him. I can't feel anything for him.
He's as dead to me as his saggy uninspiring jowls looks to be.
Fair enough.
You dont think very average and shite is pretty close and similar at this level?
Sorry Belfast Reggie. What's the view on Norn Iron then? Is there hope for a tournament in the next decade?
I dunno, I actually follow the Republic!
Nope. I don't think there is any hope for NI. It's a pity there isn't an all Ireland team like in the other sports. We could have qualified for more tournaments and gotten further.
Just a quick note, Finnan's parents are both Irish and he's born in Ireland. Grew up in England though.
Wait a minute here; mr having it both ways!
No thanks on the All Ireland team. More trouble than its worth. Could you imagine the politics!
Whilst agreeing with most of the post ,two other points. Richard Dunne was not an average player, and you shouldn't underestimate Seamus Coleman either.
Re: Coleman, I don't, but he's the only Irish player I can think of in the top 7. I was lamenting he was the only one. I was not slagging his ability. It used to to not be like this.
Dunne for me was average, but brilliant on occasion. He was no Lawrenson or McGrath
Dunne for me was average, but brilliant on occasion. He was no Lawrenson or McGrath
Ireland used to have players that would have got in the England team. So did Wales and Scotland. Not now.
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