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Dietmar Hamann launches attack on England's surprise 'saviour' Andros Townsend

DIETMAR HAMANN has mocked the way Andros Townsend has emerged from relative obscurity to become England’s new “saviour”.

By: Richard Tanner
Published: Tue, November 19, 2013
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Townsend's emergence for England does not impress Hamann [ACTION]
The talent and options Germany have going forward is frightening
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Former Liverpool and Germany midfielder Hamann says that even though a number of German stars are either injured or will be rested for tonight’s friendly at Wembley, Joachim Low still has an embarrassment of riches at his disposal.
Hamann said: “With Germany, if you get your chance to play in the national team at the moment you’re in on merit. With England in recent months and years, that has not always been the case.
“You don’t seem to need to have had many good games for your club to get a go.
“We’ve seen that with Townsend, who only made his international debut a month or so ago. He has been on loan at nine different clubs – and yet he is being hailed as England’s new saviour.
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Hamann expects a decisive German victory will put England in their place [GETTY]
The talent and options Germany have going forward is frightening. It’s certainly the most un-German Germany international team. They can even play without a centre forward when Mario Gomez and Miroslav Klose are injured and it doesn’t matter because they can all play in any attacking position and score goals.”
Hamann, who holds the distinction of netting the last goal to be scored at the old Wembley, expects Germany to inflict a second successive home defeat on England for the first time since 1977 – and give Roy Hodgson more food for thought before next summer’s World Cup.
He said: “England did well to win the two high-pressure games at the end of a qualifying group that wasn’t the hardest. But I’m sure Germany will want to put a marker down at Wembley.
“I expect Germany to win. If they turn up with anything like their first XI, I think it will give England a pretty good idea of where they stand at the moment.”
 
He actually made some excellent points in the mirror about Gazza (1990) vs Ballack (2002), and how England managers pick players based on reputation.
 
I agree with ol' Didi.

Have seen quite a fair bit of Townsend this Season and though he has got pace to burn and got a good shot on him (at least in one out of ten) he'd be completely out of his depth in the German team and will struggle to keep his place at Spurs too, as he has not got much eye for team mates nor especially good vision or skill in general. Power and pace and hard work is not enough. He may develop nicely but so far he is completely over hyped.

The Bale comparisons are laughable imo.
 
He's not really making a point about Townsend, is he ?

It's more the fact that you have to do very little to get into an England squad. A few good games at a top 6 team will get you in.

That said if Lahm plays DM for Germany as well then they're in the same boat.
 
Rosco said:
He's not really making a point about Townsend, is he ?

It's more the fact that you have to do very little to get into an England squad. A few good games at a top 6 team will get you in.

That said if Lahm plays DM for Germany as well then they're in the same boat.
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I guess you are right.
 
Didi is right. Townsend is also older than Gotze and Draxler.

What he forgets to mention is that this is not a very big game for Germany at all. The rivalry is all on the English side. The Germans have their rivalry with the Dutch when it comes to football.
 
He is right. Years ago you needed a good season or two to get an England chance.

Rodriguez has scored 3 pl goals and gets a cap.


I think even Owen had over a full season with us before his call up.
 
I kinda agree with Didi, but I do like the idea of giving any old joe bloggs a go in friendlies. Anyone in some form, see how they get on.
 
Fox said:
He is right. Years ago you needed a good season or two to get an England chance.

Rodriguez has scored 3 pl goals and gets a cap.


I think even Owen had over a full season with us before his call up.
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He was 17-18 years old. I'd imagine that you'd want to be a bit careful when picking kids.
 
Mors said:
I kinda agree with Didi, but I do like the idea of giving any old joe bloggs a go in friendlies. Anyone in some form, see how they get on.
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Exactly its friendlies and I believe Germany are doing the exact same thing England are when they have the opportunity. The difference is Germany has a much bigger talent pool. Have a look at the players who were left out by Löw on wiki.
 
I like Didi post retirement, he's gone all edgy.

This subject is irrelevant though as neither Germany and certainly not England will win the World Cup.

And that's all that matters.
 
Mocks England? Fuck me what tabloid did you crawl out from under? He's bang on the money in this article.
 
jexykrodic said:
I like Didi post retirement, he's gone all edgy.

This subject is irrelevant though as neither Germany and certainly not England will win the World Cup.

And that's all that matters.
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Yeah, it's not like anyone cares how shit England are compared to Germany, & the fact they successfully implemented a top down bottom up structure change to their league & Fa to get their national team improving as people in England cry out for is superfluous to any public opinion, of course.
 
FoxForceFive said:
Yeah, it's not like anyone cares how shit England are compared to Germany, & the fact they successfully implemented a top down bottom up structure change to their league & Fa to get their national team improving as people in England cry out for is superfluous to any public opinion, of course.
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They still won't win the World Cup even with their wonderful organisational skills and foresight.

Didi needs to be comparing his national team with Spain and Brazil.

They don't have the depth, skill, pace and vision to win in Brazil.

They should get their structure down and then put it up their bottom with the rest of the shit they talk.
 
Didi is spot on with his remarks.. Albeit they have been taken out of context..

Germany have had 8, 1 Capped players since the 1920s


Whereas England have probably had that in the last twelve months
 
So where did it all go wrong for engerland? Bad coaching philosophy? Foreign packed Premier league limiting player development? It's amazing how few decent options they have once Rooney, gerrard, Lampard, are gone. Maybe they should look at the grandfather rule to get some new blood in 😉
 
localny said:
So where did it all go wrong for engerland? Bad coaching philosophy? Foreign packed Premier league limiting player development? It's amazing how few decent options they have once Rooney, gerrard, Lampard, are gone. Maybe they should look at the grandfather rule to get some new blood in 😉
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Personally I don't think England have had a world class team since the class of 96 and 98.
Tbf there has been some top class players in the team, there still are, but this current team isn't close to being as good as the 96 and 98 teams.
I think the English set up has lost it's way, can't put my finger on it but that English grit personified by players like Gazza, Pearce, Ince, Batty etc is gone. Just can't see it in any of the recent teams.

You're Irish aren't you? What was it that separated the Irish from other national teams?
To me it seemed like a mix between quality and pride. Average players like McAteer looked like world beaters after they donned the green shirt and with the appointment of Keane and O'neill the Irish seem to want to recreate those emotions.
 
I think Ireland always punched above their weight 88-02 because of a few reasons; and thanks for asking modo..

* The grandparents rule allowed us to bring in players like Aldo, Houghton, Lawrenson (earlier) Finnan, which really helped
* We had a nice burst of natural talent as well like Roy Keane, Paul Mc, Staunton, and more.
* But mostly it was a combination of 3/4 strong players allied with the usual plodders desire to raise their game for the nation - think average players like Richard Dunne, Matt Holland, Packie Bonner performing well above their station.

Usually, conventional wisdom is a dangerous thing; but this time it's spot on - we used to have players playing for arsenal, spurs, Liverpool, man united, and a few other decent clubs. Now I can't even name one. Seamus Coleman for Everton for jeepers sakes is as close as I can get. I think that says it all about why the country isn't producing - the opportunity to develop ain't there.

I think the game has become more technical, sophisticated modo, but the English administration isn't moving with it. Nor the a Irish, Scottish, welsh... We are becoming northern Neanderthals of the game.

You make good points on the English team but remember English grit was never enough anyway.

Thoughts @ILD, @the count @athensruairi
@Rosco. @Rory Fitzgerald @King Binny (I made him an honorary Irishman)
@Whaddapie?
 
England are shit.
They're going to embarrass themselves in this WC and I'll laugh my stones off (well, I would if I wasn't in bed due to the time difference).
 
LarryHagman said:
England are shit.
They're going to embarrass themselves in this WC and I'll laugh my stones off (well, I would if I wasn't in bed due to the time difference).
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I just feel sorry for Gerrard.

He'll be trying to drag that team through every game, & he'll manage it against some sides too.

I find it impossible to reconcile the idea of an England side with Roy Hodgson at the helm, the idea of him leading a side out for the World Cup in Brazil makes my head implode.

It's beyond ludicrous.
 
localny said:
I think Ireland always punched above their weight 88-02 because of a few reasons; and thanks for asking modo..

* The grandparents rule allowed us to bring in players like Aldo, Houghton, Lawrenson (earlier) Finnan, which really helped
* We had a nice burst of natural talent as well like Roy Keane, Paul Mc, Staunton, and more.
* But mostly it was a combination of 3/4 strong players allied with the usual plodders desire to raise their game for the nation - think average players like Richard Dunne, Matt Holland, Packie Bonner performing well above their station.

Usually, conventional wisdom is a dangerous thing; but this time it's spot on - we used to have players playing for arsenal, spurs, Liverpool, man united, and a few other decent clubs. Now I can't even name one. Seamus Coleman for Everton for jeepers sakes is as close as I can get. I think that says it all about why the country isn't producing - the opportunity to develop ain't there.

I think the game has become more technical, sophisticated modo, but the English administration isn't moving with it. Nor the a Irish, Scottish, welsh... We are becoming northern Neanderthals of the game.

You make good points on the English team but remember English grit was never enough anyway.

Thoughts @ILD, @the count @athensruairi
@Rosco. @Rory Fitzgerald @King Binny (I made him an honorary Irishman)
@Whaddapie?
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(I'm actually from Belfast but anyway....)

Yeah that probably sums it up. Although I wonder why we didn't have more youngsters coming through after the success of teams in the 80s and 90s. You would have thought that it would have inspired kids to become footballers.
 
cloggypop said:
Didi is right. Townsend is also older than Gotze and Draxler.

What he forgets to mention is that this is not a very big game for Germany at all. The rivalry is all on the English side. The Germans have their rivalry with the Dutch when it comes to football.
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That would explain the over the top celebrations by the German players at the final whistle. For winning a friendly against a side they don't have much rivalry with.

As for Didi, there's no need for the slight on Townsend who has looked (with Gerrard) the only England player willing to try to take the game to opponents. How long it's took him to develop is irrelevant, he's been a big plus and people have rightly acknowledged that, I haven't heard many people say he's going to carry us or whatever, we've got a quite a few good promising young players. We're not good enough technically or tactically to match many of the teams in the competition, but we have enough as a squad to be fairly optimistic about. We just need to bring in a manager who'll motivate us in a big competition.
 
Mors said:
I kinda agree with Didi, but I do like the idea of giving any old joe bloggs a go in friendlies. Anyone in some form, see how they get on.
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Agreed, when you look at how some of our 'best' players perform, it's endearing to watch the likes of Crouch and Lambert come in and do well. I think we look better as a forward line with Lambert in there, but the team revert to the fucking obvious when he plays.
 
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