Goodbye Harvey?

[rurikbird]

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I didn’t want to believe it before, but it does look like Slot isn’t a huge fan of Elliott. A move to Dormund or Brighton would be great for him - and for us if we insert a good sell-on clause.

 

[binomial]

No surprises here. If Dortmund have expressed an interest, a genuine interest......& they're simulteanously willing to part ways with Malen for as little as 25m, then I think there could be a deal to be made here.....& one that'd suit us very nicely.

 

[localny]

We surely need the depth

 

[MomoWASright]

We surely need the depth

One out one in.

 

[localny]

Takes a few weeks if not months to have a player adjust to Arne's system no? Might be better to stick with Harvey - unless it's a no Brainer sensation joining us..

 

[MomoWASright]

Takes a few weeks to have a player adjust to Arne's system no? Might be better to stick with Harvey - unless it's a no Brainer sensation joining us..

Zubi

 

[darkstarexodus]

We surely need the depth

Good thing we need the depth because he's not providing the height.

 

[mom]

He’s just getting back from injury. He’s not going anywhere

 

[Markeh]

One out one in.

and 9 months later a little bundle of joy

 

[Beamrider]

I'll be proper fucked off if we sell Harvey. I'd almost prefer Elmo Skum to buy us.

 

[MomoWASright]

I’d be devo’d. Some of our players need his attitude.

 

[Markeh]

harvey is an lfc fan isn’t he?

 

[MomoWASright]

harvey is an lfc fan isn’t he?

Yep

 

[Markeh]

slot needs to learn to appreciate the boy, the boy needs minutes

 

[Markeh]

At the expense of whom?

whoever is on the right side of the 3 cm’s, he needs last 15’s or 30’s here and there

 

[MomoWASright]

Jones has been wank for weeks. So his place.

 

[Modo]

Me, September 2, 2024:

Thread 'It's a Harvey situation...'

Sep 2, 2024

This is mainly a hunch, but based on what Klopp said last season and how we played early in pre season, I think Harvey expected to get a more important squad role and be more involved this season.

Three games so far, stuck on the bench for two and 13 mins on the pitch in one.
In two of the games Slot didn't even use the 5th sub, even after being 3-0 up like today.

It's a tricky situation he's in imo.
Szobo and Harvey are basically in the same age bracket, so it's not like he can wait it out.
We just bought Chiesa and he'll most likely be preferred to Harvey in the impact sub category.
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Me right now:

 

[Dreambeliever]

Ya unfortunately it’s looking likely as he’s in the category of highly valuable but perhaps not Slots cup of tea.

 

[Hyena]

Hope he starts against Accrington and shows Slot what he's missing.

 

[StevieM]

Right… so we’re selling Kelleher, Gomez, Robbo, Tsimikas, Quansah, Endo, Elliot, Nunez, Morton, Doak, Badger and Chiesa, plus we’re letting Salah, Trent & Virgil leave on frees….. aaaaaand Diaz hasn’t been offered a new contract yet.

Well… the crazies are going to be happy at all the players we’re going to need to sign.

By my reckoning, it’s a good job we signed that keeper in the summer, because that’s the only position we aren’t going to have to buy for.

 

[binomial]

Right… so we’re selling Kelleher, Gomez, Robbo, Tsimikas, Quansah, Endo, Elliot, Nunez, Morton, Doak, Badger and Chiesa, plus we’re letting Salah, Trent & Virgil leave on frees….. aaaaaand Diaz hasn’t been offered a new contract yet.

Well… the crazies are going to be happy at all the players we’re going to need to sign.

By my reckoning, it’s a good job we signed that keeper in the summer, because that’s the only position we aren’t going to have to buy for.

Almost as if a new manager wants to re-shape the squad and bring in players he'll actually use. Most the players above either aren't good enough, aren't thought of having a future by Arne or have lost their mojo. All the contract stuff is down to Hughes, I've had to listen for months as everyone spoke so confidently they'd all renew.

We wouldn't have had so much to do in 1 go if we'd done bits in the last 2 years. Been very little activity.....so essentially, this has all been done by design.

The first summer Klopp had, guess what? We sold Benteke, Ibe, Allen, Sakho, Alberto, Skrtel, Ilori and we let Markovic, Toure and Balotelli go.

The first summer Rodgers had, guess what? We sold Carroll, Downing, Shelvey, Adam, Kuyt and got rid of Maxi, Cole, Bellamy, Aquilani and Spearing.

Stop pretending like everything is such a shock.

 

[Modo]

Hope he starts against Accrington and shows Slot what he's missing.

I certainly hope so, it's fucking Accrington Stanley.
I hope everyone gets some.

 

[StevieM]

Almost as if a new manager wants to re-shape the squad and bring in players he'll actually use. Most the players above either aren't good enough, aren't thought of having a future by Arne or have lost their mojo. All the contract stuff is down to Hughes, I've had to listen for months as everyone spoke so confidently they'd all renew.

We wouldn't have had so much to do in 1 go if we'd done bits in the last 2 years. Been very little activity.....so essentially, this has all been done by design.

The first summer Klopp had, guess what? We sold Benteke, Ibe, Allen, Sakho, Alberto, Skrtel, Ilori and we let Markovic, Toure and Balotelli go.

The first summer Rodgers had, guess what? We sold Carroll, Downing, Shelvey, Adam, Kuyt and got rid of Maxi, Cole, Bellamy, Aquilani and Spearing.

Stop pretending like everything is such a shock.

I know you act like you have the memory of a goldfish and the analytical skills of a packet of polo mints, but there’s a reason why Klopp had to sell off loads of shit players (hint) in a team that wasn’t Winning and a reason why Slot, who has been at pains to point out how good the squad is, hasn’t seen the need for mass changes.

Again it’s an evolution thing - the squad isn’t fundamentally broken nor is it threadbare, but some of it is reaching the end of the road.

I reckon there’s a lot more though and planning gone into those from Edwards, Hughes & Slot than they’re ever likely to let on - but of course they tend to do their work quietly, which leaves the crazies to chew up and get irate about every bit of garbage that appears on social media.

I still can’t quite believe you haven’t figured out we’re doing so well BECAUSE we didn’t make too many personnel changes to the team at once and that Slot likes to keep a consistent, relatively small squad - because that’s how you get good results.

Also… and here’s the kicker, what makes you so sure that if we sign a pile of new players, Slot will suddenly “rotate more”?

 

[darkstarexodus]

Right… so we’re selling Kelleher, Gomez, Robbo, Tsimikas, Quansah, Endo, Elliot, Nunez, Morton, Doak, Badger and Chiesa, plus we’re letting Salah, Trent & Virgil leave on frees….. aaaaaand Diaz hasn’t been offered a new contract yet.

Well… the crazies are going to be happy at all the players we’re going to need to sign.

By my reckoning, it’s a good job we signed that keeper in the summer, because that’s the only position we aren’t going to have to buy for.

You think we're going to sign replacements?

 

[binomial]

I still can’t quite believe you haven’t figured out we’re doing so well BECAUSE we didn’t make too many personnel changes to the team at once and that Slot likes to keep a consistent, relatively small squad - because that’s how you get good results.

Also… and here’s the kicker, what makes you so sure that if we sign a pile of new players, Slot will suddenly “rotate more”?

Not to the first XI no, our first XI from last season was pretty good so there wasn’t much need, but you’re naming players who had played next to or very little part in our success. Doak Quansah Morton Baj Chiesa, Harvey and Endo this season. All these could’ve departed (or in Fede’s case, not been signed) along with Clark Sepp and Fabio in the summer, and we’d be no worse off.

I’m not advocating for a pile of new players but even IF we did, you think we’d sign a pile of new players Arne wont want? And thus wont rotate with? Can you not picture how stupid this sounds?

You talk about what Slot likes, you and Froggy haven’t been doing much research otherwise you’ll have known the many personnel changes he had at both AZ and Feyenoord. Something crazy like 10 incomings and 14 departures in his first season at Feyenoord - 6 incomings and 10 departures first season at AZ, you really ought to have checked that 1 out first Stevie.

 

[Modo]

Right… so we’re selling Kelleher, Gomez, Robbo, Tsimikas, Quansah, Endo, Elliot, Nunez, Morton, Doak, Badger and Chiesa, plus we’re letting Salah, Trent & Virgil

It's not that unimaginable to be fair.
Disregarding the ones out of contract who Slot clearly wants to remain with the team.

Kelleher: We've already signed a replacement.

Gomez: wants to play more regularly and admitted himself that he was close to leaving in the summer. Don't forget next year is a world cup year.

Robbo & Tsimikas: One of them will go, we've been strongly linked with Kerkez. Where's there's smoke there's fire.

Quansah: With you on this one. He's still young.

Endo: Clearly not rated by Slot.

Elliott: Same. Check Slots comments.

Nunez: Explanation not needed.

Morton: Not good enough and barely used by Slot.

Doak: Doesn't seem like Slot rates him.

Badger: Still has time.

Chiesa: is he still at the club?

I wouldn't say that it's impossible that they all leave.

 

[StevieM]

Not to the first XI no, our first XI from last season was pretty good so there wasn’t much need, but you’re naming players who had played next to or very little part in our success. Doak Quansah Morton Baj Chiesa, Harvey and Endo this season. All these could’ve departed (or in Fede’s case, not been signed) along with Clark Sepp and Fabio in the summer, and we’d be no worse off.

I’m not advocating for a pile of new players but even IF we did, you think we’d sign a pile of new players Arne wont want? And thus wont rotate with? Can you not picture how stupid this sounds?

You talk about what Slot likes, you and Froggy haven’t been doing much research otherwise you’ll have known the many personnel changes he had at both AZ and Feyenoord. Something crazy like 10 incomings and 14 departures in his first season at Feyenoord - 6 incomings and 10 departures first season at AZ, you really ought to have checked that 1 out first Stevie.

Did you even bother to look at why there were all those changes at Feyenord?

They needed change - they’d finished 5th and been uninspiring under Dick Advocat. They were going nowhere - they’d won the title once in the previous 20 years and regularly finished lower than 3rd in a league, got nowhere in Europe of note, with only a couple of domestic cups to keep them ticking over.

That’s not what he walked into at Anfield and thank fuck we hired a manager with enough smarts to know that the quickest way to succeed with a team that had consistently challenged for the top honours under Klopp was not to rip it up.

What Slot walking into at Feyenoord was what Klopp walking into at Liverpool, but not what he left behind.

You have to be proper mutton-headed to not see that.

We got exactly what we needed in Slot and the Edwards/Hughes measured rather than “manic-panic let’s buy everyone” approach favoured by you, will probably make things even better.

Doak, Quansah, Badger & Harvey are still classified U21 players and Morton his first year as a senior - they’re there to learn, progress, fill in when needed and either push for a starting position or bring in a tidy fee if we feel we can improve on them.

I don’t want us signing any player Slot doesn’t want - and we won’t, same as we didn’t under Klopp.

What I’m saying is - Slot seems to prefer a “small” squad, which makes sense because it’s easier to get good consistent performances from players that play regularly than those that only come in now and then.

I think he wants to keep a core of 16 or so players playing regularly rather than trying to give games to 22+ players all the time, which is at odds with the transfer brain trust on here that seem to favour something like Chelsea or Forest 2 seasons ago, only every season.

 

[StevieM]

It's not that unimaginable to be fair.
Disregarding the ones out of contract who Slot clearly wants to remain with the team.

Kelleher: We've already signed a replacement.

Gomez: wants to play more regularly and admitted himself that he was close to leaving in the summer. Don't forget next year is a world cup year.

Robbo & Tsimikas: One of them will go, we've been strongly linked with Kerkez. Where's there's smoke there's fire.

Quansah: With you on this one. He's still young.

Endo: Clearly not rated by Slot.

Elliott: Same. Check Slots comments.

Nunez: Explanation not needed.

Morton: Not good enough and barely used by Slot.

Doak: Doesn't seem like Slot rates him.

Badger: Still has time.

Chiesa: is he still at the club?

I wouldn't say that it's impossible that they all leave.

I think you’re overreaching again.

I agree it’s time for one of Robbie or Tsimikas to go and someone younger to come in - don’t think it’s critical it gets done this window, but it needs done and we’re clearly working on it.

Endo - again nit critical, but he’s obviously getting replaced at some point.

Elliot - disagree, I think he’ll be fine and develop, otherwise I’d be looking £50m+ for him.

Nunez - agreed, he’s done - again, probably the summer.

Morton - not looking like he’ll have a future, but he’s not done yet.

Doak & Badger still have time and it’s hard to tell what Slot thinks of 2 players that have been out on loan all season. We might get good fees in the summer to supplement new signings or we might try to integrate them - that’s likely for another day.

Cheisa - all I can say is, hopefully this is Slot demanding the higher level of fitness he’s known for demanding - he’s also known for not playing players until they reach that prime fitness level - but really, who cares - if we can fuck Jim off for what we paid and bring in a decent replacement, then I’m all for it.

 

[Farkmaster]

I think Harvey is an AM, and we don't really play with one of those, do we? That work goes to the false 9. I don't think hes defensively strong enough, or just physical enough, to play in our midfield regularly, and he's not fast enough to play in our normal front three.

So he's a very situational player, or a super sub at best, who also has real talent and is in need of game time.

So he is actually in the wrong team, right?

I mean, we all see obvious improvements that could be made, and Elliot isn't the fix for any of those positions, so why wouldn't someone who has zero sentimentality think, just sell him?

 

[Frogfish]

We surely need the depth

He's hardly played so clearly hasn't been part of our 'depth' except as a bench filler. I'd like us to keep him but if we get Touch from RM or someone else then I can see him leaving. Pity.