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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45255.msg1328862#msg1328862 date=1304894699]
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
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No Liverpool fan should want United to win a title over Chelsea. I don't care if Chelsea are a vacuous plastic flag waving pack of cunts who now employ Fernando Torres, I still will shout for them over united every day of the week.
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Sorry ILD it's not like I'm happy but Chelsea are everything thats wrong with football today.
At least UTD have earned their 19 titles.
Chelsea bought their 2 and have the biggest cnut in football playing for them in John Terry.
It like choosing how you want a prostrate checked. A thumb up the arse is ever so slightly better than a tube up the knob.
[/quote]So much fail in this post.
[quote author=ILD link=topic=45255.msg1328864#msg1328864 date=1304895402]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45255.msg1328862#msg1328862 date=1304894699]
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
[/quote]
No Liverpool fan should want United to win a title over Chelsea. I don't care if Chelsea are a vacuous plastic flag waving pack of cunts who now employ Fernando Torres, I still will shout for them over united every day of the week.
[/quote]
Sorry ILD it's not like I'm happy but Chelsea are everything thats wrong with football today.
At least UTD have earned their 19 titles.
Chelsea bought their 2 and have the biggest cnut in football playing for them in John Terry.
It like choosing how you want a prostrate checked. A thumb up the arse is ever so slightly better than a tube up the knob.
[/quote]So much fail in this post.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45255.msg1329112#msg1329112 date=1304950328]
I dont agree with this contention that United are a weak team.
They are excellent. And young. And improving.
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They're not weak but they're not improving. Can't agree with that.
I dont agree with this contention that United are a weak team.
They are excellent. And young. And improving.
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They're not weak but they're not improving. Can't agree with that.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45255.msg1329112#msg1329112 date=1304950328]
I dont agree with this contention that United are a weak team.
They are excellent. And young. And improving.
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yep, all this season people are saying that united have been average, and they havnt at all - maybe a bit by their standards but that just points to what a good team they are, valencias been sound since he came back in and peahead was a fuckin fantastic signing for them, they need to sort out their midfield at some point purely because giggs cant go forever, although ive been saying that for years, and most of th midfield isnt great. but i think theyl sort that out this summer, itl be hard catching them. now if you'll excuse me i need to take a day long shower to get rid of the horrible feeling typing this post has brought on.
I dont agree with this contention that United are a weak team.
They are excellent. And young. And improving.
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yep, all this season people are saying that united have been average, and they havnt at all - maybe a bit by their standards but that just points to what a good team they are, valencias been sound since he came back in and peahead was a fuckin fantastic signing for them, they need to sort out their midfield at some point purely because giggs cant go forever, although ive been saying that for years, and most of th midfield isnt great. but i think theyl sort that out this summer, itl be hard catching them. now if you'll excuse me i need to take a day long shower to get rid of the horrible feeling typing this post has brought on.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45255.msg1329115#msg1329115 date=1304950749]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45255.msg1329112#msg1329112 date=1304950328]
I dont agree with this contention that United are a weak team.
They are excellent. And young. And improving.
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They're not weak but they're not improving. Can't agree with that.
[/quote]Evans - 23
Vidic - 28
Rafael - 21
Fabio - 21
Smalling - 20
Hernandez - 21
Rooney - 25
Nani - 25
Valencia - 26
Carrick - 30
Anderson - 24
Park - 29
Theyve got YEARS left in them, and those players will all get better. And they continue to find good players.
This team this year is the most underRated team ever to win the league. They have hardly had Ferdinand and not missed him, they lost Neville but its alright, they can afford to NOT play Brown and O'shea.
Its a fucking class side full of class players and winners.
Weak team? NA!
Berbatov is the premier leagues top scorer and can barely get a look in.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45255.msg1329112#msg1329112 date=1304950328]
I dont agree with this contention that United are a weak team.
They are excellent. And young. And improving.
[/quote]
They're not weak but they're not improving. Can't agree with that.
[/quote]Evans - 23
Vidic - 28
Rafael - 21
Fabio - 21
Smalling - 20
Hernandez - 21
Rooney - 25
Nani - 25
Valencia - 26
Carrick - 30
Anderson - 24
Park - 29
Theyve got YEARS left in them, and those players will all get better. And they continue to find good players.
This team this year is the most underRated team ever to win the league. They have hardly had Ferdinand and not missed him, they lost Neville but its alright, they can afford to NOT play Brown and O'shea.
Its a fucking class side full of class players and winners.
Weak team? NA!
Berbatov is the premier leagues top scorer and can barely get a look in.
i think some of uniteds younger players are ridiculously overrated andy, yes they've got some class acts there, but Evans is shaky as fuck and only looks composed with vidic next to him. I'm not convinced by one of the da silvas, but by fuck i can't tell them apart so either one is shit and the others boss or they're both inconsistent. Smalling is "OK" but i want to see how he progresses
and the less said about bebe the better
:laugh:
and the less said about bebe the better
:laugh:
Errr. I never said it was weak. I said it was the shittest team since Leeds to win the EPL. They'll win the league due to Chelseas massive dip in form in the middle of the season. Don't get me wrong. They've also been the most consistent and so yeh they deserve the title.
As for improving, nah not having it. There's a few quality players on yer list Oncy - Vidic, Hernandez, Rooney, Nani. A few that are decent such as Valencia, Evans and Carrick. And the rest that are nowt more than Ok players within a decent squad. Anderson is shite. I've seen Smalling have one or two half decent games this year.
They've also got a load of players who are now getting on. Giggs and Scholes for starters. Massive part they've played again this year but they're 38 and (nearly) 37 years of age. Ferguson is 68.
They're a good side - anyone would be a fool to deny that. To say they're getting stronger though ? I don't see it. They'll finish with 82 points tops which is the lowest number in a decade. This year league has been full of bottlers with the Scum having the most bottle.
Regardless what Gill claims about having £165m in the bank for players - they're £600m in debt and they've just posted £110m in losses for last year. That debt has to be serviced first and foremost - we all know that. That's going to severely hamstring their spending. If they have one or two bad seasons then those problems are going to be compounded big time.
As for improving, nah not having it. There's a few quality players on yer list Oncy - Vidic, Hernandez, Rooney, Nani. A few that are decent such as Valencia, Evans and Carrick. And the rest that are nowt more than Ok players within a decent squad. Anderson is shite. I've seen Smalling have one or two half decent games this year.
They've also got a load of players who are now getting on. Giggs and Scholes for starters. Massive part they've played again this year but they're 38 and (nearly) 37 years of age. Ferguson is 68.
They're a good side - anyone would be a fool to deny that. To say they're getting stronger though ? I don't see it. They'll finish with 82 points tops which is the lowest number in a decade. This year league has been full of bottlers with the Scum having the most bottle.
Regardless what Gill claims about having £165m in the bank for players - they're £600m in debt and they've just posted £110m in losses for last year. That debt has to be serviced first and foremost - we all know that. That's going to severely hamstring their spending. If they have one or two bad seasons then those problems are going to be compounded big time.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45255.msg1329112#msg1329112 date=1304950328]
I dont agree with this contention that United are a weak team.
They are excellent. And young. And improving.
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They're not weak, but there's no way they're ANYWHERE near as strong as their '93 team, or even their massivelyoverrateddespitewinningthetreble '99 team.
We can take them,with some clever buying and if Kenny keeps doing his thing.
I dont agree with this contention that United are a weak team.
They are excellent. And young. And improving.
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They're not weak, but there's no way they're ANYWHERE near as strong as their '93 team, or even their massivelyoverrateddespitewinningthetreble '99 team.
We can take them,with some clever buying and if Kenny keeps doing his thing.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45255.msg1329102#msg1329102 date=1304948584]
There's no point us wallowing in any kind of self pity is there Vlad? We've not been up the task over the last two decades. Bar Arsenal's success and Abromovich's millions neither have any other team. God knows we've mismanaged the club and team so amateurishly over that period we've ended up with too many players who possess neither the ability or the fight for it. As a club we have no-one else to blame although truth be said it does lie at the door of those few who make the decisions.
Moores fucked up. I've nothing against Moores myself. He's comes across as immensely lacking in business acumen and the intelligence to support that and obviously heavily relied on the likes of Parry and the word of other companies to run the LFC business. Those people failed him and the club too. Selling to Hicks and Gillette was a fuck up of monumental proportions but saying that they were taken in by two cunts would cash in their own mothers if it meant making a few fast bucks. They were liars, plain and simple. Greedy, despicable two-faced liars. And Moores and Parry fell for their lies hook, line and sinker as many others did. Oh, they said all the right things but little did we know every word was likely a complete lie. Like all liars they got found out eventually.
Stupidity and naivety on the part of Moores and Parry ? Most definitely. Done to make themselves a little extra cash? Nah, I don't see it. Moores may have been some things but he was a fan like us and a fan who's too ashamed and embarrassed to show his face now at Anfield. The one crying shame of all that is that Moores probably didn't have to sell at all to build the stadium. Stilll, we needed at least some change as we were pretty much inept business wise.
I digress anyway. So, the last two decades, Man United haven't so much had it on a plate as much as people think. Yeh we were shite and didn't offer too much resistance but there were few other teams that did and this isn't the SPL where it's a two horse race. Man U also started their run of success just at the right time for them. Sky came along and football was now big, global money making business attracting millions of new fans to the game. This enabled the Mancs to sell their brand (and that's all I ever view them as. A big corporate bandwagon for soulless cunts to jump aboard) around the world attracting top players and top revenue brought in by a growing number of fairweather fans - the type who buy LFC Torres shirts as well. It's seen them well for the past 20 years and Ferguson has finally done what he set out to achieve. Knocked us off our perch. Well done.
Whereas this does pain us as Liverpool fans it could also do us favour. It'll be like a monkey off our back. It's a challenge to aspire to now and it's the yardstick that we needed beating into us to wake us from our decades of sloth and slumber. Yes it's glum but there are, as Ian Dury said, reasons to be cheerful.
I fully believe we now have a board who know what the fuck they are doing. For the first time since John Smith we have a board who possess a willingness to be successful on and off the field and have the business acumen to do that.
Given our lack of recent league successes we are still one of the biggest clubs in the world. Our fans see this club for more than a soulless corporate entity like United. They see we're not some cheap tart of a club that whored out our history and morals to the richest slobbering oligarch it could find. You know the type - it's all tits and lipstick but there's fuck all of substance underneath, Our board and club will build on our global fanbase. We WILL extend Anfield or build a new stadium to increase matchday income. We WILL leverage our name, history and beliefs through the globe and become a huge attractive brand. We must lot lose sight of our soul for this though.
We've got a manager who understands the club and understands what's expected. He's got the team playing the most attractive football we've seen in many of year and with one of the poorest squads we have had.
In 5-10 years time we'll have record revenues which, with the introduction of FIFA fair play, will hold us on a par with any other club on this planet. That will strengthen our position on the field also.
All of this will bring success but there will be still be competition.
Man Utd have their moment of glory now. I don't begrudge them it. If it was us, we'd been revelling in it. What do they truly have now ?
Well, the monkeys on their back now for starters. Ferguson, Scholes, Giggs - key for their success. They're not getting any younger and their effective days are numbered. They're saddled with an absolutely enormous amount of crippling LBO debt which is becoming a heavier and heavier chain around their neck and is going to constrain them heavily in the transfer market. Some of their fans can see right through this yet most are blinded by their recent successes and can't see no further than wearing a green and yellow scarf in a mock muted protest.
The winds of change are blowing though and their days of success will wane before long. The signs are already there and it will hit them fast and hard. Let's face it - other than Leeds this is probably the shittest team to have won the Premier League. Rather than coast the league based on their brilliance they've got it through a few good performances, other teams ineptitudes (Chelsea massively guilty), a never-say-die attitude, an inordinately large amount of luck (as usual) and the halycon performances of one Sir Ryan of Giggs. None of that will last. We should know that more than anyone. Satan's pact for Fergies soul is well and truly fulfilled now.
All Man United have done is set a new record. And records are made to be broken.
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This is a magnificent post; and is my nomination for the Grumpymonkey Award.
There's no point us wallowing in any kind of self pity is there Vlad? We've not been up the task over the last two decades. Bar Arsenal's success and Abromovich's millions neither have any other team. God knows we've mismanaged the club and team so amateurishly over that period we've ended up with too many players who possess neither the ability or the fight for it. As a club we have no-one else to blame although truth be said it does lie at the door of those few who make the decisions.
Moores fucked up. I've nothing against Moores myself. He's comes across as immensely lacking in business acumen and the intelligence to support that and obviously heavily relied on the likes of Parry and the word of other companies to run the LFC business. Those people failed him and the club too. Selling to Hicks and Gillette was a fuck up of monumental proportions but saying that they were taken in by two cunts would cash in their own mothers if it meant making a few fast bucks. They were liars, plain and simple. Greedy, despicable two-faced liars. And Moores and Parry fell for their lies hook, line and sinker as many others did. Oh, they said all the right things but little did we know every word was likely a complete lie. Like all liars they got found out eventually.
Stupidity and naivety on the part of Moores and Parry ? Most definitely. Done to make themselves a little extra cash? Nah, I don't see it. Moores may have been some things but he was a fan like us and a fan who's too ashamed and embarrassed to show his face now at Anfield. The one crying shame of all that is that Moores probably didn't have to sell at all to build the stadium. Stilll, we needed at least some change as we were pretty much inept business wise.
I digress anyway. So, the last two decades, Man United haven't so much had it on a plate as much as people think. Yeh we were shite and didn't offer too much resistance but there were few other teams that did and this isn't the SPL where it's a two horse race. Man U also started their run of success just at the right time for them. Sky came along and football was now big, global money making business attracting millions of new fans to the game. This enabled the Mancs to sell their brand (and that's all I ever view them as. A big corporate bandwagon for soulless cunts to jump aboard) around the world attracting top players and top revenue brought in by a growing number of fairweather fans - the type who buy LFC Torres shirts as well. It's seen them well for the past 20 years and Ferguson has finally done what he set out to achieve. Knocked us off our perch. Well done.
Whereas this does pain us as Liverpool fans it could also do us favour. It'll be like a monkey off our back. It's a challenge to aspire to now and it's the yardstick that we needed beating into us to wake us from our decades of sloth and slumber. Yes it's glum but there are, as Ian Dury said, reasons to be cheerful.
I fully believe we now have a board who know what the fuck they are doing. For the first time since John Smith we have a board who possess a willingness to be successful on and off the field and have the business acumen to do that.
Given our lack of recent league successes we are still one of the biggest clubs in the world. Our fans see this club for more than a soulless corporate entity like United. They see we're not some cheap tart of a club that whored out our history and morals to the richest slobbering oligarch it could find. You know the type - it's all tits and lipstick but there's fuck all of substance underneath, Our board and club will build on our global fanbase. We WILL extend Anfield or build a new stadium to increase matchday income. We WILL leverage our name, history and beliefs through the globe and become a huge attractive brand. We must lot lose sight of our soul for this though.
We've got a manager who understands the club and understands what's expected. He's got the team playing the most attractive football we've seen in many of year and with one of the poorest squads we have had.
In 5-10 years time we'll have record revenues which, with the introduction of FIFA fair play, will hold us on a par with any other club on this planet. That will strengthen our position on the field also.
All of this will bring success but there will be still be competition.
Man Utd have their moment of glory now. I don't begrudge them it. If it was us, we'd been revelling in it. What do they truly have now ?
Well, the monkeys on their back now for starters. Ferguson, Scholes, Giggs - key for their success. They're not getting any younger and their effective days are numbered. They're saddled with an absolutely enormous amount of crippling LBO debt which is becoming a heavier and heavier chain around their neck and is going to constrain them heavily in the transfer market. Some of their fans can see right through this yet most are blinded by their recent successes and can't see no further than wearing a green and yellow scarf in a mock muted protest.
The winds of change are blowing though and their days of success will wane before long. The signs are already there and it will hit them fast and hard. Let's face it - other than Leeds this is probably the shittest team to have won the Premier League. Rather than coast the league based on their brilliance they've got it through a few good performances, other teams ineptitudes (Chelsea massively guilty), a never-say-die attitude, an inordinately large amount of luck (as usual) and the halycon performances of one Sir Ryan of Giggs. None of that will last. We should know that more than anyone. Satan's pact for Fergies soul is well and truly fulfilled now.
All Man United have done is set a new record. And records are made to be broken.
[/quote]
This is a magnificent post; and is my nomination for the Grumpymonkey Award.
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=45255.msg1329169#msg1329169 date=1304954505]
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45255.msg1329155#msg1329155 date=1304954030]
Tongue's stuck right up there,Fabs
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Tongue > thumb > anything in penis
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HA!
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45255.msg1329155#msg1329155 date=1304954030]
Tongue's stuck right up there,Fabs
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Tongue > thumb > anything in penis
[/quote]
HA!
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45255.msg1329138#msg1329138 date=1304952544]
Errr. I never said it was weak. I said it was the shittest team since Leeds to win the EPL. They'll win the league due to Chelseas massive dip in form in the middle of the season. Don't get me wrong. They've also been the most consistent and so yeh they deserve the title.
As for improving, nah not having it. There's a few quality players on yer list Oncy - Vidic, Hernandez, Rooney, Nani. A few that are decent such as Valencia, Evans and Carrick. And the rest that are nowt more than Ok players within a decent squad. Anderson is shite. I've seen Smalling have one or two half decent games this year.
They've also got a load of players who are now getting on. Giggs and Scholes for starters. Massive part they've played again this year but they're 38 and (nearly) 37 years of age. Ferguson is 68.
They're a good side - anyone would be a fool to deny that. To say they're getting stronger though ? I don't see it. They'll finish with 82 points tops which is the lowest number in a decade. This year league has been full of bottlers with the Scum having the most bottle.
Regardless what Gill claims about having £165m in the bank for players - they're £600m in debt and they've just posted £110m in losses for last year. That debt has to be serviced first and foremost - we all know that. That's going to severely hamstring their spending. If they have one or two bad seasons then those problems are going to be compounded big time.
[/quote]Every single year i see posts like these and Fabios before it there Sunny about how they dont have enough good players and how some are leaving and how the wheels are about to come off etc etc and every year while we continue to kid ourselves that 'Anderson is shit' and 'Giggs cant keep going' and 'lets see how they cope spending no money' etc etc they keep winning trophies.
This not great team has just won a 38 game league, made it to the finals of the European cup and the semi finals of the FA cup.
Its a stonking side and i dont see it going anywhere.
Evans is shakey...........Carrick is weak.....how many trophies do thy have to collect before we start to realise that the team they make a part of is very very good.
I feel a bit sick defending the cunts, but its a cracking side.
Fabio, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Anderson, Carrick, Valencia, Nani and Hernandes and Rooney (so everyone bar the keeper) would walk into Our team.
Errr. I never said it was weak. I said it was the shittest team since Leeds to win the EPL. They'll win the league due to Chelseas massive dip in form in the middle of the season. Don't get me wrong. They've also been the most consistent and so yeh they deserve the title.
As for improving, nah not having it. There's a few quality players on yer list Oncy - Vidic, Hernandez, Rooney, Nani. A few that are decent such as Valencia, Evans and Carrick. And the rest that are nowt more than Ok players within a decent squad. Anderson is shite. I've seen Smalling have one or two half decent games this year.
They've also got a load of players who are now getting on. Giggs and Scholes for starters. Massive part they've played again this year but they're 38 and (nearly) 37 years of age. Ferguson is 68.
They're a good side - anyone would be a fool to deny that. To say they're getting stronger though ? I don't see it. They'll finish with 82 points tops which is the lowest number in a decade. This year league has been full of bottlers with the Scum having the most bottle.
Regardless what Gill claims about having £165m in the bank for players - they're £600m in debt and they've just posted £110m in losses for last year. That debt has to be serviced first and foremost - we all know that. That's going to severely hamstring their spending. If they have one or two bad seasons then those problems are going to be compounded big time.
[/quote]Every single year i see posts like these and Fabios before it there Sunny about how they dont have enough good players and how some are leaving and how the wheels are about to come off etc etc and every year while we continue to kid ourselves that 'Anderson is shit' and 'Giggs cant keep going' and 'lets see how they cope spending no money' etc etc they keep winning trophies.
This not great team has just won a 38 game league, made it to the finals of the European cup and the semi finals of the FA cup.
Its a stonking side and i dont see it going anywhere.
Evans is shakey...........Carrick is weak.....how many trophies do thy have to collect before we start to realise that the team they make a part of is very very good.
I feel a bit sick defending the cunts, but its a cracking side.
Fabio, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Anderson, Carrick, Valencia, Nani and Hernandes and Rooney (so everyone bar the keeper) would walk into Our team.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45255.msg1329119#msg1329119 date=1304951438]
Vidic - 28
Rafael - 21
Fabio - 21
Smalling - 20
Hernandez - 21
Rooney - 25
Nani - 25
Valencia - 26
Carrick - 30
Anderson - 24
Park - 29
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Where's Bebe (20) and Obertan (22)? 😛
Players who were loaned out such as Cleverley, Welbeck and Macheda are 21, 20 and 19 respectively too.
Vidic - 28
Rafael - 21
Fabio - 21
Smalling - 20
Hernandez - 21
Rooney - 25
Nani - 25
Valencia - 26
Carrick - 30
Anderson - 24
Park - 29
[/quote]
Where's Bebe (20) and Obertan (22)? 😛
Players who were loaned out such as Cleverley, Welbeck and Macheda are 21, 20 and 19 respectively too.
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=45255.msg1329176#msg1329176 date=1304955218]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45255.msg1329146#msg1329146 date=1304953411]
We never got knocked off our perch we fell off the fucking thing
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Souness dismantled the Perch.
[/quote]
Moores and later Parry dismantled it. Souness was just a step along the road.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45255.msg1329146#msg1329146 date=1304953411]
We never got knocked off our perch we fell off the fucking thing
[/quote]
Souness dismantled the Perch.
[/quote]
Moores and later Parry dismantled it. Souness was just a step along the road.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=45255.msg1328793#msg1328793 date=1304883958]
Sorry but, while I respect that view, I don't agree with it. In fact our title tally will IMO become more of an issue rather than less, until we get back on terms with them and hopefully overhaul them.
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Ditto. Exactamundo.
Sorry but, while I respect that view, I don't agree with it. In fact our title tally will IMO become more of an issue rather than less, until we get back on terms with them and hopefully overhaul them.
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Ditto. Exactamundo.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45255.msg1329193#msg1329193 date=1304957230]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45255.msg1329138#msg1329138 date=1304952544]
Errr. I never said it was weak. I said it was the shittest team since Leeds to win the EPL. They'll win the league due to Chelseas massive dip in form in the middle of the season. Don't get me wrong. They've also been the most consistent and so yeh they deserve the title.
As for improving, nah not having it. There's a few quality players on yer list Oncy - Vidic, Hernandez, Rooney, Nani. A few that are decent such as Valencia, Evans and Carrick. And the rest that are nowt more than Ok players within a decent squad. Anderson is shite. I've seen Smalling have one or two half decent games this year.
They've also got a load of players who are now getting on. Giggs and Scholes for starters. Massive part they've played again this year but they're 38 and (nearly) 37 years of age. Ferguson is 68.
They're a good side - anyone would be a fool to deny that. To say they're getting stronger though ? I don't see it. They'll finish with 82 points tops which is the lowest number in a decade. This year league has been full of bottlers with the Scum having the most bottle.
Regardless what Gill claims about having £165m in the bank for players - they're £600m in debt and they've just posted £110m in losses for last year. That debt has to be serviced first and foremost - we all know that. That's going to severely hamstring their spending. If they have one or two bad seasons then those problems are going to be compounded big time.
[/quote]Every single year i see posts like these and Fabios before it there Sunny about how they dont have enough good players and how some are leaving and how the wheels are about to come off etc etc and every year while we continue to kid ourselves that 'Anderson is shit' and 'Giggs cant keep going' and 'lets see how they cope spending no money' etc etc they keep winning trophies.
This not great team has just won a 38 game league, made it to the finals of the European cup and the semi finals of the FA cup.
Its a stonking side and i dont see it going anywhere.
Evans is shakey...........Carrick is weak.....how many trophies do thy have to collect before we start to realise that the team they make a part of is very very good.
I feel a bit sick defending the cunts, but its a cracking side.
Fabio, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Anderson, Carrick, Valencia, Nani and Hernandes and Rooney (so everyone bar the keeper) would walk into Our team.
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The league was won with a grand total of 5 away wins (even if they beat Blackburn they'll have totalled 6 all season) and they've made it to the final of the CL after an absurdly favourable draw. Of course they're a good side, but there's no getting away from the fact that their competition has been relatively weak. The clincher for me is Vidic himself admitting in a recent interview that this United team isn't the equal of at least some of its predecessors.
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Errr. I never said it was weak. I said it was the shittest team since Leeds to win the EPL. They'll win the league due to Chelseas massive dip in form in the middle of the season. Don't get me wrong. They've also been the most consistent and so yeh they deserve the title.
As for improving, nah not having it. There's a few quality players on yer list Oncy - Vidic, Hernandez, Rooney, Nani. A few that are decent such as Valencia, Evans and Carrick. And the rest that are nowt more than Ok players within a decent squad. Anderson is shite. I've seen Smalling have one or two half decent games this year.
They've also got a load of players who are now getting on. Giggs and Scholes for starters. Massive part they've played again this year but they're 38 and (nearly) 37 years of age. Ferguson is 68.
They're a good side - anyone would be a fool to deny that. To say they're getting stronger though ? I don't see it. They'll finish with 82 points tops which is the lowest number in a decade. This year league has been full of bottlers with the Scum having the most bottle.
Regardless what Gill claims about having £165m in the bank for players - they're £600m in debt and they've just posted £110m in losses for last year. That debt has to be serviced first and foremost - we all know that. That's going to severely hamstring their spending. If they have one or two bad seasons then those problems are going to be compounded big time.
[/quote]Every single year i see posts like these and Fabios before it there Sunny about how they dont have enough good players and how some are leaving and how the wheels are about to come off etc etc and every year while we continue to kid ourselves that 'Anderson is shit' and 'Giggs cant keep going' and 'lets see how they cope spending no money' etc etc they keep winning trophies.
This not great team has just won a 38 game league, made it to the finals of the European cup and the semi finals of the FA cup.
Its a stonking side and i dont see it going anywhere.
Evans is shakey...........Carrick is weak.....how many trophies do thy have to collect before we start to realise that the team they make a part of is very very good.
I feel a bit sick defending the cunts, but its a cracking side.
Fabio, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Anderson, Carrick, Valencia, Nani and Hernandes and Rooney (so everyone bar the keeper) would walk into Our team.
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The league was won with a grand total of 5 away wins (even if they beat Blackburn they'll have totalled 6 all season) and they've made it to the final of the CL after an absurdly favourable draw. Of course they're a good side, but there's no getting away from the fact that their competition has been relatively weak. The clincher for me is Vidic himself admitting in a recent interview that this United team isn't the equal of at least some of its predecessors.
Of course they are a good side, but I think that the top of the league in general is significantly weaker than previous years.
That they got Hernandez for peanuts makes me sad though.
That they got Hernandez for peanuts makes me sad though.
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This scum side is not a patch on most of their recent teams. If they don't spend big this summer they'll win fuck all next season.
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Not if Chelsea, Arse and the rest (us included) don't spend big.
Right now, they're clearly the best of an slightly above average bunch.
This scum side is not a patch on most of their recent teams. If they don't spend big this summer they'll win fuck all next season.
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Not if Chelsea, Arse and the rest (us included) don't spend big.
Right now, they're clearly the best of an slightly above average bunch.
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